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Advice on a shitty situation. Very long.

18 replies

GoodBadandUgly · 28/11/2013 08:55

Hi
Firstly, I want advice. I have beaten myself up over all this and feel bad enough already. I realise some people are going to slag me off and thats fine, but I cannot see my way through this mess clearly and need a third party viewpoint.

My husband is emotionally distant. He actually has diagnosed behavioural problems. He cannot express feelings or give any emotional support. We have been married for 19 years. All this time I have been utterly alone. I have raised a child with Autism and it has been very difficult to do this and put all my needs aside for many, many years.

We married late, in our 30's, more out of convenience than love. We had been friends since we were both 19 and despite being out of touch for around 10 years, we eventually met up, both on the shelf, so decided to get married for the companionship really. I never 'fell in love' with him and he cannot express emotion, so it was, truly, a loveless marriage. We don't have any sex life. He prefers online porn but tells me he is impotent. My husband is very 'needy'. He cannot do anything for himself and needs constant 'mothering'. He can't cook, wash, clean or babysit. He works, but spends all his free time playing computer games, like a teenager. He is very miserly and complains about the smallest bill even though he earns a reasonable wage. He has never bought me a birthday or christmas gift because 'it's a waste of money'.We had no social life. All my friends gradually dropped away and we lived in an isolated place. So basically I have absolutely zero friends, no job since child was born and stuck at home for the last 12 years.

I was not unhappy as such, just drifting along as a Mum. My husband was never there for important things with the school, medical stuff. I even went through a cancer scare totally alone and had to deal with it all myself and keeping it from my child. Very stressfull.

So, anyway. Out of the blue I met this man. He wasn't even good looking or physically attractive but for some reason I couldn't resist him I had never actually been in love before and it hit me like a bombshell. I was totally in shock, I had never experienced such feelings before. I am 50, so I am not a 'child'. I fell, completely and utterly for this guy and did nothing for a year. Then I was stupid enough to tell him I had feelings for him. He said he was flattered and that he found me very attractive. He wasn't married.

Well, you know where this is going. I had an affair with him. He was everything I had ever dreamed of. Intelligent, funny, independent, passionate. He liked the same things I did. He was fabulous in bed. I was smitten. I felt wanted, needed and loved. We could only share a few moments every time we met because of my family commitments and he told me he felt guilty that we were keeping it from my husband and said he could not be the one to split up our marriage. I told him I understood. We finished the affair despite the strong attraction. But it made me realise I was living a lie and that I needed to sort out my life.

I told my husband about the affair. Strangely, he accepted it, even spoke to the man to tell him there were no hard feelings. He asked me if I wanted a divorce and I said yes. I told him I couldn't give up my lover. He said he understood

He had been going out in the evenings, he said it was with work colleagues, but I thought it was strange after 19 years of no social life. One night he rang to say he was staying out all night. I found out afterwards that night he slept at his ex girlfriends and that he had been seeing her for some time and making arrangements with her to go to his family gatherings etc. Now I understood why he had taken my affair so well! He sent her 92 texts in a week, some while I was coddling him at home because he had manflu. So yes, I was a pissed off.

Anyway, suddenly he was back at the house and refusing to sort out anything. He said he was going to move out then he refused. He said he was going to buy another house but has done nothing to find one. I told him to buy me out of my half of this house,( he can afford to) so I could get a small house with my child but he just sits around doing nothing at all.

We began to argue and it all got a bit horrible to be honest. I told him it is best to have an amicable split and he agreed. Since then he just mopes around the house and makes my child very unhappy. My child has never liked his Dad and says he is always trying to 'get him on his side' whenever they are alone for 5 minutes. He's pissing me off Mum, he said. (he's a teen now).

So, tell me guys, what do I do now? I miss my lover so much it hurts but I know we can't be together in any circumstance. We stay away from each other now but it's for the best.

I just want to see a clear way forward that is the least disruptive to my son because he has his GCSE's soon and he is lucky to be able to get any what with his Autism. I don't want to ruin his chances. My son told me he wanted me to be happy because he could see I loved this other man. He knew about it all, nothing was kept secret.

I don't have any family to go and stay with, they are all dead now. I have no savings to rent anywhere because I have been a SAHM for the past 12 years and my husband only gives a small housekeeping, which doesn't go far.

What do I do?

OP posts:
bragmatic · 28/11/2013 09:10

See a solicitor, and take it from there.

bragmatic · 28/11/2013 09:11

Posted too soon.

I wanted to add that I hope you can go on to have a better life filled with friends and a lovely relationship with someone.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/11/2013 09:11

I think, given things have broken down to the level you describe, you need legal advice. Amicable only works when everyone's behaving reasonably. When that doesn't apply you have to go the legal route. Doesn't mean protracted court battles necessarily - mediation is a cheaper option - but you will get progress. Many solicitors offer a free initial consultation. There will be some disruption so best to be prepared.

EirikurNoromaour · 28/11/2013 09:17

File for divorce. Force the sale of the house, get your own life back.
I'm not going to slate you, you marriage sounds hideous. But you need to get out of it ASAP.

HawtChocolate · 28/11/2013 09:25

Definitely see a solicitor. The marriage has broken down and you are both unhappy. Your husband sounds paralysed by the situation. I think you need to make that move to get the ball rolling and end this situation before it grinds you both down.

Good luck.

Bigbrassband · 28/11/2013 09:53

I don't blame you for your actions, not for a minute! What a drain your husband sounds.

I agree with the previous posters, you need legal advice. Do you have a joint account?

Would you be able to consider looking for a job, now that your son is older? I don't know your situation, or qualifications, but if you can drive there are always jobs out there. For your own self esteem and so you have some money to call your own, it could be of great benefit to you.

Bigbrassband · 28/11/2013 09:56

Not saying that you can't work without a driving licence btw! Just that it can be easier to find and get to work if you have a car.

GoodBadandUgly · 28/11/2013 10:14

Hi thanks for the advice.

I have already spoken to solicitors, and we went through the financial part/property/childcare etc.

That is why I asked my husband to buy me out of the marital home. The solicitor said that would probably be the best option as it is intolerable for us to live together. We don't have a mortgage, the house is paid for and my husband has investments/ pensions and expensive belongings which would make up a good part of his settlement.

I can't buy him out or I would. I have no money or job. He refuses to sell the house and split the money and because he has never paid for any upkeep to the property it is quite run down and would not attain much on the open market. We don't have mains water or central heating and it needs about £25000 in repairs. It is currently valued at £50k less then other properties the same locally because of its dismal condition.

I tried to reason with him and told him I am happy to let him keep all the investments and stuff and because if he bought me out of the home he would be able to keep it and then I would be able to get a small, run down, 2 bedroom terrace locally with my half. Yes, it would mean him taking out a mortgage on the marital home but it would be under £500 a month which he could afford. He refuses because he doesn't want to have to pay the money.

The solicitor says I can't get legal aid to pursue the divorce because I am not a battered spouse and wants a lot of money up front (£500) to proceed any further and they tell me the bill can run into thousands!

Obviously my husband won't give me any money, so I can't pay the bill. I have about £150 in my bank account and that has to last me for food and housekeeping until christmas. I haven't even got any money to buy my son presents this year.

The solicitor won't accept the money at the end of the settlement. I have tried 3 solicitors and they all say the same.

Having never been through all this before it's very daunting and confusing.

I am so desperate I wasted £2 on a lottery ticket in the vain hope of getting some money! I have been desperately trying to find a job for the last 4 months but have been out of work so long no-one will give me a look in and no temp agency will take me on.

There is also the problem of child care. Husband is working full time and although he is allowed flexi time he won't use it for childcare because he sees it as the wifes job only. There are no local childminders and my son's school is so far away he gets taxied in and there has to be someone at the house for him to be dropped off. We don't have any neighbours, friends or relatives, so that means basically, I have to be here for 3.30 pm. This really limits job prospects too!

I am becoming increasingly depressed by the situation, the doctor has offered to put me on antidepressants but that doesn't really help the situation. I was so upset the other day I have been thinking about ways to kill myself. I even rang the Samaritans. But I know I can't even do that because I have a disabled child to look after.

It just seems I am totally trapped and will have to live like this forever now.

Sorry to be so depressing, I guess I just needed to get it off my chest. I am sure there are people in much worse circumstances and I should just put up with it but it's hard to see that right now. It seems whichever way I try to turn the route in blocked. I feel trapped.

OP posts:
CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/11/2013 10:20

Have you spoken to CAB? Your solicitor, and the others, sound very grasping and I can't believe there isn't one that would take on the job and accept payment out of the settlement. I'd also suggest you contact Womens Aid 0808 2000 247 for advice. They're not just for victims of domestic violence and they are very good at pointing people in the right direction for help. For example, you need a source of income and that's probably from benefits. It is possible to claim as a separated and therefore single parent even if you live with your husband.

wannabedomesticgoddess · 28/11/2013 10:42

There is certainly an aspect of financial abuse going on here, £150 in 4 weeks is ridiculous, especially given he has substantial assets. Its less than you would get in child maintenance once divorced. Do you know his income? Do you have any access to records of his assets and income? If so, try to get photocopies for your records.

In your position I would look into finding somewhere to rent and making a claim for housing benefit, child benefit and child tax credits. Also perhaps carers allowance and DLA for your son. I am not sure on the criteria on these with autism though.

I realise you can't afford a deposit etc. I agree about contacting womens aid and explaining the situation to them. They might know of charities that could help you with a deposit or other things. When we were homeless a charity helped us with a bond on a new tenancy.

It sounds like a horrible way to live and I really feel for you. :(

Cabrinha · 28/11/2013 11:05

First off; forget the affair stuff - yours and his. It's done. It's not ideal, but it's understandable and not the crime of the century. It's totally irrelevant to what happens now. Do NOT accept / suggest a lower settlement because you feel guilty! The divorce courts don't care if you had an affair, they really don't.

Spend your time now getting copies of every bit of paperwork you can. You mention investments? Photocopy / photograph everything.

Talk to WA & CAB. You should separate (even if in same house) and claim benefits whilst you look for work.

Can you borrow money from anyone? This may not be a popular option on here - but if your affair man loves you, and can afford it, can he make a gift or loan?

With regards to your son... he knows what has gone on, and he's 15. I know you don't want to interrupt his exams, but living as you are is going to cause everyone tension. I would sit him down, and tell him that you're going to divorce. Tell him that you and his father wish to do it amicably but that it's a stressful process and almost inevitable that both of you will be upset about things along the way. Tell him that might make for a bad atmosphere at time, and that he can always talk to you about that. Tell him it's not his job to fix the atmosphere, to concentrate on his exams.

You may decide to leave the actual divorce until after his exams, if only for saving money up!

By the way, I don't know how social housing works, but I wonder if having a 15yo puts you higher up the list than having a 16yo? Definitely talk to CAB - it may influence how quickly you act.

Are you on the mortgage or deeds? Might be worth registering your interest in the house with land registry - you don't need a solicitor to do it, and it's cheap - talk to CAB/WA.

Do you get a set housekeeping amount, or use a joint account card? Start getting cash back at supermarket to save.

Does your STBXH earn too much for you to get child benefit? If so, once you're separated, even in the same house, you could start getting that - £80 a month.

Good luck!
And stoop worrying about the rights and wrongs of an affair. This marriage suits neither of you. You've supported him and his son for many years, the marital assets are partially yours. Take the emotion out, and make practical decisions, not ones based on guilt. Get your share of the house, and a pension transfer.

bibliomania · 28/11/2013 11:17

Look up divorce loans or litigation loans. Looks to me like you're just going to have to go down the legal route.

HoneyandRum · 28/11/2013 16:33

I don't understand why you can't be with this other man once you get a divorce. It sounds like you never had a true marriage anyway, if you were Catholic you would have grounds for an annulment as this setup would never have been considered anything close to a sacramental union. It's an "arrangement" not a marriage. Two are supposed to become one and this never happened in any shape or form as far as I can tell from you description.

HoneyandRum · 28/11/2013 16:39

Sorry OP missed all the recent posts! There is a way out, I can't say what it is but don't give up hope!! You have still decades of living in front of you, are there any organizations of any kind you can join locally? I think you have gone way, way too long without more emotional support from other people.

JuliaScurr · 28/11/2013 16:40

rightsofwomen.org.uk

JuliaScurr · 28/11/2013 16:41

rightsofwomen.org.uk

Horsemad · 28/11/2013 16:43

Contact WA. They will have legal contacts who xan assist with your divorce. If you divorce him, he'll have to either buy you out or put the house on the market.

Don't waste a chance to be happy.

Matildathecat · 28/11/2013 16:57

Does your son get DLA? Sounds as if he should. Then you should be able to claim Carers Allowance.

Agree WA for advice. It must be quite common for women to be in your financial position.

I wish you all the best but am puzzled as to why you can't be with the man you love. Can you tell us why? I do hope it's not you punishing yourself for some 'crime'. Honestly we only have one go at this life.x

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