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My mother has told me to never contact her again as I'm 'disgusting'.......

28 replies

FamilyOutcast · 12/11/2013 21:28

Long running saga of me trying to come to terms with the abusive childhood that has caused me mental health issues as an adult. I had to have therapy as I was literally paralysed with panic attacks and extreme anxiety and after a lifetime of disassociation, I finally woke up to my scapegoat role with the help of a wonderful therapist!

Mother went nuts when first confronted (as did siblings). Denied it, minimised it, told me to get over it (we're taking sexual, physical and psychological abuse here), said I deserved all I got as I was utterly 'evil' etc. I was still deep in the FOG then and was desperate to continue contact even though she had started name calling and favouritism with my DCs Angry. I was bloody stupid!

Anyway there were still questions I needed answers to (concerning my absent father who I lost contact with for 32 years) that she refused to discuss and told me that she would never speak to me again unless I shut up about it. Then followed 6 months of NC where I was left out of several big family events (which were pasted all over facebook) and I was really in pain about it so I had to practically beg my mother to speak to me again and after keeping me waiting for over a month, she agreed to a face to face meeting (her idea as she wanted to tell me 'the truth to my face').

So a few weeks ago I drove over 2 hours, highly agitated as I was worried about what she had to tell me, to meet her in the garden of a stately home (ha bloody ha). I started off by telling her that I did not mean to cause her upset by bringing all this up but I had to for my own mental health. She then started saying ‘do you think you’re the only person to have panic attacks, I’ve had loads’ etc. She spun the usual line that I was attention seeking and she worked 3 jobs to feed us and had to starve etc. She used to compare me to my paternal grandmother when I was young but I have no memory of her. I said to her ‘do you remember that you used to call me a FAT, UGLY, STINKING BITCH just like ‘his’ mother’? She replied, well yes, you were. That answer alone validated all my childhood memories. I was a stick like child and very pretty Sad. Too bad I can only see that now 35 years later.

After that we got to talking about my DCs and I said I did not want her seeing them as I felt that contact with her would be harmful to them and I would not allow her to damage them as she had damaged me. She went puce with rage and called me ‘disgusting’, said she would get my stepfather to sort me out (ha) and said it’s always been ‘all about me’. Then stormed off. I waited a while as I hoped she would come back but then saw her leaving through the gate with my stepfather. I tried to ring her later and she texted back that I was never to contact her again and she would be emailing all my siblings to tell them every word I’d said to her.

Apart from the validation I mentioned above, the other thing that came out was that for the first time ever, she told me that my father left her, packed his bags and went. I (and my siblings) had always been led to believe that she left him in fear of her life as he was a violent abusive drunk. I have always wondered why she allowed him to take us kids out unsupervised after the divorce, and until we moved across the country if he was violent, and why she would apparently scream at him in front of us on the doorstep if he brought us back early if she was so afraid of him. There was no court ordered access. This I got from my father who insisted her version was all lies. Part of the reason I never built a relationship with him again was because of what I was brought up by her to believe and I still don’t know what to believe. He said he could not bear seeing us kids crying at the shouting so he decided not to see us anymore.

If you have got this far, I still don’t know how to feel. There is no going back with my mother and my siblings too it seems. It’s all so shit Sad and I am alone.

OP posts:
flippinada · 12/11/2013 21:36

Didn't want to read and run. Poor you, that is a hell of a lot to deal with. Your Mum sounds like a horrible, horrible woman and it sounds like you were let down by your Dad too.

I think feeling any way you feel is fine at the moment (IYSWIM).

However one thing to bear in mind...if you end up with no contact...would that really be so awful?

Imagine never having to put up with her abuse and poisonous comments ever again. Wouldn't that be great?

Hissy · 12/11/2013 21:37

My love, all she's done is harm.

You have to let her go. Let the feelings come.

You will be sad, angry, scared, free, alone, all these things.

Work through them, expect them and you'll survive them.

We're here, anytime you need us.

Mabelface · 12/11/2013 21:38

But you're not alone, you've got your children and you've done your best to make sure that they have a loving childhood without fear of abuse. going no contact will mean that you can be free of fear and anxiety. I'd advise that you block them completely from your life, including facebook, then go on to have your happy life with your family.

Chuckthefucklebrothers · 12/11/2013 21:39

Oh my god, what an awful woman! You poor poor thing. I think you are incredibly brave and hope you have some sense of closure now. You're not alone, you have your children and will be a brilliant mother to them, I'm sure (you have the courage to face up to your past - I can't see you repeating your mother's mistakes). You'll be ok, be kind to yourself x

Joy5 · 12/11/2013 21:39

Not sure what to say, not had contact with my mum or sister for a few years since the death of my son, so totally different context, but i'm still here, doing my best for my 2 younger sons.

All i can do is not repeat history, i'll always be there for my boys and i'll never let them down.

You're not alone, you have your children, concentrate on them, and make them have the happiest childhood. You can't chose your own birth family, but you can chose to do your best for your children, and give them the happiest memories you can.

Sending a massive hug, its the worst feeling in the world to have your mum and siblings turn against you, and make you feel like an outsider. xxx

EllaFitzgerald · 12/11/2013 21:39

Some people shouldn't be allowed to look after a stick insect, let alone a child.

Lovely, you are absolutely not alone. You have your own family and children who will have a completely different childhood than you, because of your care and love. I would imagine that her anger is a self defense mechanism. If she gets angry at you, she doesn't have to think about whether you're right. Keep strong.

Chuckthefucklebrothers · 12/11/2013 21:41

Oh and I second the suggestion of blocking them on FB etc; they don't deserve another second of your attention.

Lweji · 12/11/2013 21:46

It does sound like a great outcome.

I understand you wanted vindication and acknowledgement from her, but it will never happen and you trying for contact could only make it worse for you.

Onwards and forwards. :)

Your future is there for you to make it what you want without that weight.
Don't you feel lighter?

flippinada · 12/11/2013 21:47

By the way..I think you sound amazing and courageous.

BasilBabyEater · 12/11/2013 21:47

You're well shot of her.

You really are.

You can start to live your life without her toxic presence infecting it.

You've got a much better future ahead of you.

Be kind to yourself. See your counsellor, see your friends, enjoy time with your DC's. Your life will get better.

FamilyOutcast · 12/11/2013 23:02

Thank you for the replies Thanks. I really crave other people's POV as I do worry that mine is wrong. Deep down I know I am well shot of her but I have to dig really deep to accept that and it changes from hour to hour.

I think the feeling that I am alone in the world is a feeling brought back from my childhood when I really felt I was alone in a house full of family. It is so strong and frightening sometimes Sad. I used to fantasise about dying and decided that no one would notice even back to age 8 or 9 now I am desperate just to live without feeling intense fear everyday.

Of course I have a H (not a 'D' as he is totally unsupportive, different culture, his mother brought 7 children up in poverty with no washing machine etc and put up with DV from his father so no time for panic attacks like me Hmm) of 20 years and the DCs but I would never look to them (DCs) for emotional support. They need mine not the other way round. I have no friends sadly as I never thought I was good enough for any!

I am hoping it will get better and I feel my emotional bond (where I feel responsible for her and need to worry about her) with my mother has more or less gone now. Sometimes I think that if I was told she had died (which is something I worry about being NC) that I would feel nothing. My therapist and I have come to the conclusion that I was my mother's 'shit carrier'. I have carried all the blame, self hatred, guilt, rage whatever, for her and I have now metaphorically handed it back. I know why she treated me like she did and it is unforgivable and I never will forgive her. She never discussed her childhood and I am sure she was wounded from it as well.

I am just pissed off that I am the one left hurt again. I am the one in the wrong (to my family). I am the troublemaker. I did nothing wrong apart from being born.

Christmas is coming and we will be on our own while my parents and siblings will be having a big superficial 'do' where they will probably discuss how fucked up I am [anger]. Siblings DCs will be spoilt rotten and mine forgotten Sad.

I have booked a log cabin by a lake up north for us to go to for Christmas week at great expense and hope I can make it special for the DCs but it will feel so lonely and their only will be from us. H's family are from abroad and don't do Christmas except for the presents they get from us of course! His parents live abroad and we rarely see them. His siblings here are not really interested as H married out of culture so he is the black sheep as well. Funny that!

OP posts:
aurynne · 12/11/2013 23:07

Congratulations on ridding yourself of that ugly, crazy, disgusting misery of a human being that just happened to give birth to you. Now you can finally move on with your life and hopefully never ever have to hear her bile or be hurt by that monster again.

Hissy · 12/11/2013 23:08

The log cabin sounds lovely. I'm NC atm, this is my first NC christmas, just me and my DS. I'm skint too, or i'd be off somewhere, anywhere but home.

You're not alone, we're here! ;)

FamilyOutcast · 12/11/2013 23:13

Hissy

You have to let her go. Let the feelings come.

You will be sad, angry, scared, free, alone, all these things.

Work through them, expect them and you'll survive them.

Bless you

OP posts:
Hissy · 12/11/2013 23:17

We're here, anytime you need us.

You missed that bit... don't forget it eh? :)

Divinity · 12/11/2013 23:33

Fuck me you're one brave, strong lady to confront your mother the way you did. Good for you.

I also dissociate and have anxiety attacks. In the first year of no contact both of these reduced significantly. Life is far more peaceful. I know I still get scapegoated by my "family" but I'm not around to hear it anymore.

Well done for coming as far as you have. Be kind to yourself and you'll find your attitude will start to change from worrying if people will like you to wondering whether you are going to like them. Wink

CanucksoontobeinLondon · 13/11/2013 05:21

I'd say you're well out of it. Your mother has done enough to merit you going no contact, and then some. In a weird way, she's done you a favour because now you don't have to agonize over cutting her off. I suspect she may have had decided to turn her back on you precisely because she knew you were at breaking point with her. She jumped before she could be pushed, so she could say she's the one not speaking to you, and not the other way around.

Lweji · 13/11/2013 06:31

Well, you know you can come here for support, while you make new friends. :)

Why not start working on it? Find a hobby, something that gives you pleasure?

CailinDana · 13/11/2013 06:55

I know what you wanted from that meeting was some recognition of the hurt you were put through. You gave it your best shot but your mother made it clear that all she's ever going to do is hurt you more. In a way she did you a big favour by not pretending to care (as a lot of these parents do) and by validating your memory of how you were treated.

You now need to let yourself grieve for the loss of the mother and family you hoped you'd have. Once I did that my life changed dramatically. My self worth really increased and I have far more confidence than I've ever had. I really hope the same happens for you.

walterwhiteswife · 13/11/2013 07:03

my m abandoned me and my sister to live with another man and bring his dc up who were the same age as us. I battled through many years of self doubt and my sister has been in and out of mental health units at one stage being sectioned. I think the best thing I did was just to accept that she was just a woman that carried me and that I could learn to be a better mum by not being like her. xxx sending u love x pm me if u need to chat xx

SatinSandals · 13/11/2013 07:06

I think you are very brave to tackle it. I can see that it didn't have the ending you wanted but it was never going to. You have got to give yourself time to grieve because it is like dealing with a death.
Be kind to yourself, Christmas seems a good start and then start building up your life differently. Good luck.

NumptyNameChange · 13/11/2013 07:07

first nc christmas here too - and like hissy it's just me and ds and we're too skint or would do what you're doing. log cabin sounds lovely Smile

you're doing so well working through all this and it was brave to face her and 'hand it back' as you put it.

i was 'the devils child', 'selfish, evil, unlovable' etc - all projection obviously and using me as her 'shit carrier' as you put it.

one thing i try to think of is ok, no one was there to stick up for me or protect me as a child but i am here now and i must stick up for and protect myself. with people as toxic as this that means no contact which is in no way easy but really your choice is do you let yourself down too and not protect you or do you step up and protect yourself and refuse to allow yourself to be treated that way anymore?

SatinSandals · 13/11/2013 07:10

Is your father still alive? If so any chance of building up a relationship? Has he other family? It strikes me that she has the problems with you because you are very like him and his mother.

Hissy · 13/11/2013 07:33

I think it's safe to say that she has problems with the op because she's a terrible mother and a poor excuse for a human being.

Nothing you did caused this love, it's her choice to do it.

Stop the contact, keep talking to your therapist and to us if it helps, and keep focussed on making your life as happy as possible.

If your H is not supportive, if he makes things harder, could you pull him up on that? He's supposed to be there for you.

I see he will have his own issues, so why can't he open up to you/a therapist and get himself the support he needs. You both deserve to live well

differentnameforthis · 13/11/2013 07:35

Sweetheart, take this from someone who know about having a shit mother (she never wanted me & made no attempt to hide it), she will never be the mother you want or deserve.

She will hurt you & when she can't hurt you anymore, she will hurt your children. Whatever her "truth" is, it will never be what yours is. She will never apologise, she doesn't think there is anything to apologise for. I know that you wanted her to recognise what you went though for all those years, and to hold you & say she was sorry she failed you, but she won't! Because she doesn't think she failed you!

I haven't spoken to my mother for over 20yrs & I know she spoils my sibling's children, but it is not because she wants to, but because she feels she has to. She has to do it better than their father's parents, she has to show off what she has (she can ill afford it though), they are just her stages for that drama & to be honest, I am happy that mine aren't part of that drama. They have all they need in their life without her.

Forget what she tells everyone. They will see for what she is soon enough, believe me. You have truth on your side.

I was told by my counsellor that I was a strong person (which is at odds to what I think, because I don't think I am). But she said that to come through what I have been through & to become the loving mum & loyal friend that I am, means that I am strong! She said it is easier to just go with what you know, changing is harder.

And it sounds like you have done that too, so remember that! You are strong, you are worthy of friends & love & all the rest!

You will grieve her. But be reminded that you are not grieving who she is, but what you feel she should have been.

I won't lie, it fucking hurts not having a mum to run to, to confide in, to reminisce with, to ask advice from, but I don't want the one I have. It doesn't hurt not having her in my life, my life is easier without her drama.