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My dirty little secret

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DirtyLittleSecrets · 04/11/2013 11:36

Hi everyone, I've been lurking here for a while now and although I don't have children, I do value your advice. I'm not sure how much of the advice I'm asking for to be honest, or how much you would even be able to give, but I think I just need to for once, to stop keeping this secret and tell the world in my own way. (This might be long I warn you, but I just really feel like I need to get all of this out).

My Mum married when she was young, only 20 to my Dad. He was abusive, although she didn't realise that for some time. He was jealous and controlling, would try to cut her off from her family, give her no control over money etc. I remember her telling me once that even after giving birth to me, he wouldn't allow her to have the heating on in the house in the winter.

Anyway, my Mum had 3 children with him, myself and my younger sister and brother before finally leaving him when I was about 7 years old. He always denied my brother being his as he had blonde hair and both my father and mother are dark haired. I remember seeing a picture of my Dad as a child, he had blonde hair then too - and anyway, it's obvious he's my Father's son.

Me however, he seemed to take a special liking too. To be honest, I can't remember a lot about when he lived with us, I remember him fighting with my mum sometimes, and him smacking me once, but not much more.

Around 10 years ago, I started having panic attacks, really bad nightmares and just generally felt very scared about my life. I don't really remember how I finally admitted it to myself, but I realised I was fairly sure my Dad had sexually abused me as a child. At that point it was almost like a thought in the back of my mind, I never really let myself explore it, I wasn't ready to deal with it. I would still see my Dad, and I hate to say it, but I loved him, even though he had always been a useless father.

A couple of years later my sister and I had a very strange chat one day. We both expressed how we were uncomfortable when Dad touched us, just to put an arm around our shoulders or something like that, it just didn't feel right. As the conversation went on we both confessed that we felt he had "done something" to us as kids, but we couldn't bring ourselves to say what it was.

Hearing that from my sister forced me to confront my fears a little more. Things started to come back to me a little more, my mum working nights so he would look after us, bath us and put us to bed. I remember him sharing my bath and little games he would come up with, but I can't remember enough of the details.

I remember how his mother told me off once for taking up too much of his time (when we would visit, he always seemed more focused on me that the other two. As I wasn't getting on with my mum, I enjoyed that, but certainly didn't ask for it or even seek it). My mum shouted at me in an argument once "we all know your Daddy's little favourite", I remember then, at only about 11 years old that made me feel sick. As I got older he gave me a book to read, a horror, but it was about a man who made a woman believe she was having sex with her father and made her believe she liked it but also felt ashamed. His passwords for his accounts all seemed to be my name - god I just started to notice all these things, but nothing that gave me any hard proof at all.

I remember when we stayed over when I was little, he would always help me and my sister get changed for bed (but take us into the bathroom separately) - my mum never did as really we were capable of doing this ourselves (I guess I must have been around 8), but I remember him once lifting my nighty to check I'd taken my knickers off. Thinking back, he was always so concerned that we removed our underwear at bedtime - is that normal? There are many other things, little incidents I've noticed since I've got older, but I would bore you to tears to put them all here!

Anyway, to sum up, I'm left in this limbo. I have an over whelming gut feeling that he abused me and probably my sister too but I have zero proof and no real hard memories to even rely on. My adult relationships up until now have been a huge mess, I thought all I ever had to offer men was my body, so slept around a fair bit when I was young. I had no self worth, it all came from these men who wanted to have sex with me. When I did start to settle down I found that as soon as a man started to love me, I suddenly felt sex was wrong and I would put up a wall to protect myself.

I'm starting to get past this now, at 33 I now have the most wonderful partner in the world. I have told him about my Dad and he's never put any pressure on me sexually like men in the past have. Taking that pressure away has given me the space to have a wake up call and realise I don't want to be this person anymore, always protecting myself and I've started to be able to enjoy a normal healthy sex life with him which I'm so proud of.

But I feel like I can never really have any closure on all this. I can never confront him, because I can't prove it (I've not spoken to him or had any contact with him in about 7 years though). I'm too scared to tell my mum - she would either refuse to believe me or be devastated and I just can't face either option. I have to instead carry this as my dirty little secret forever and it's not fair.

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Pawprint · 04/11/2013 11:43

Oh you poor thing. It does sound as though he might have abused you and your sister.

I don't know if you would ever be able to confront him. However, there are some things you can do to help yourself cope - counselling from a therapist specialising in adult survivors of childhood abuse would be a good start.

DirtyLittleSecrets · 04/11/2013 12:05

That really was a rather epic post - sorry! But it feels good to get it out although of course, I also have that underlying feeling of shame (I KNOW it wasn't my fault, but knowing it and feeling it are sometimes two different things!).

Thanks Paw, I did think about going to counselling a few years back, but my boyfriend at the time thought I should be able to talk to him about things, not a stronger and so I gave up on the idea (I know, I was a moron!!).

I guess part of me is still very scared at the thought of going through it all with someone, but I think also, I may need to. I've always felt I had to look after myself, I moved out at 16 as I didn't get on with my mum (we get on much, much better now!) and lived with my boyfriend at the time. He was just like my Dad in a way, controlling, jealous and abusive. But, I like to think I'm not stupid and when I finally left him, I did learn from my mistakes (as in the type of partner I was choosing). The next relationship I had was with a really good guy, BUT he had also been sexually abused as a child and it had left him with some pretty crazy "kinks". The sex was always all about him and I ended up feeling very used and upset, even though I know he never wanted me to feel that way.

The third boyfriend was again, in some ways, perfect - he was gorgeous, very smart, incredibly funny and he made me feel so special. But the sex again became a problem, he looked at ALOT of porn and was in to some weird stuff. Again, the sex was all about him and he was impatient with my "issues". Looking back, he wasn't the perfect guy I thought he was, in fact, he was a bit of an arse. His heart was in the right place but he was a bit of a narcissist - everything had to be his way and I was just his pretty little prize to keep on his arm.

My partner now is wonderful, he's understanding, empathetic (never realised just how important that was until recently) and he actually cares about ME - not what I can do for him, what I look like or what he can get from me, but ME as a person in my own right. He's helped me more than he knows in terms of dealing with my issues and after my recent break through on the sex front, I guess I'm worried that if I now go into counselling, it might set me backwards again? I guess I'm also worried that they might push me to confront my Dad, tell my mum or worse still, not believe me because I can't remember enough about it :(

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MillicentTendancies · 04/11/2013 12:11

The brain is a strange thing and can suppress horrible memories until you are ready (or not) to deal with them. I know someone who only recollected childhood abuse when they became a parent themselves, then asked a family member about it who confirmed it had happened. I think you should definitely try to talk to someone about what you are going through.

Look at www.napac.org.uk/

Whatever has gone on it is clear your father has made you and your sister feel very uncomfortable and weird. That is not normal. Please don't suffer in silence and feel you have done something wrong - because you have not.

DirtyLittleSecrets · 04/11/2013 13:23

Thank you Millicent, I think just being able to say all this stuff here and for people to take the time to read it and believe what I'm saying has been a massive step for me and it does feel good - like I've got a weight off my chest!

I'll take a look at the link and look into the counselling :) It's just so scary though, part of me wants to be able to remember something solid so that I would know I'm not crazy. But at the same time, I'm scared of that and don't want to remember!

Did your friend get help? Is she ok now?

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MillicentTendancies · 04/11/2013 13:42

Hi OP - It has massively affected their life tbh I cannot lie but now, they seem a lot more at peace with the past and not blaming themselves. My friend never did counselling and would be mortified to talk to a stranger about what happened - so sorry for that advice actually so what you can cope with for now.

So sorry you are dealing with this. Do what is right for you. Don't feel you need to go all out do counselling if you don't want to. You need to take things at your own pace. Hang in there though and look after yourself.

MillicentTendancies · 04/11/2013 13:44

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MamaMary · 04/11/2013 13:48

OP, I have no experience in this, so others can point you in the right direction, but I just wanted to say I thought your OP was very brave and you sound like you have come so far. Thanks

pumpkinkitty · 04/11/2013 14:36

It sounds a little like dissociative amnesia. I only say this because I have/had it.

I was abused (not by a family member) and remembered some of it. However, I would often have horrid dreams that would leave an odd feeling. Long story short I sought help for anxiety, realised it was a bit more deep rooted and so started therapy. Whilst going through it more and more memories came up. It was not nice but it meant I could deal with it.

I still have it sometimes, something odd will trigger a memory and something new will come flooding back.

Its a horrid feeling but digging it up and dealing with it is your best bet I imagine.

DirtyLittleSecrets · 04/11/2013 15:03

Millicent, Thanks for that, it's good to know people can get through it without the counselling - not that I've decided whether I'm for or against it yet.

MamaMary, thank you so much for your kind words :) I'm not sure I'm brave though or I would have the guts to do something about it, not let him get away with it rather than be the passive little victim.

Pumpkin, I'm so sorry to hear you went through abuse too, it's inspiring to hear from someone who has dealt with it though. Did you ever tell your family or friends?

I did see a counsellor once, when my life felt like it was getting out of control (although I didn't talk about any of this as I hadn't really accepted it yet). She remarked though that when I spoke about things that upset me, I never got upset and came across like I was almost talking about someone else - very detached. I think that's how I've also coped, and I know it's not healthy, but it's how your survive sometimes isn't it? Anyway, I guess now I've got to the point where I don't want to pretend anymore, I guess part of me, doesn't want to detach, but to just be free of it.

Sometimes I wonder what I'll do when he dies, if I'll go to the funeral or not. I think I would, it would be expected of me and people would ask questions if I didn't. But I also know I'll be sad - how messed up is that?! I'd be sad about the person who I know abused me! I hate that part of me, deep down I will always love him in some way, I hate that I can see his good side too. It would be much easier if I could just hate him and leave him behind.

Sometimes it all just makes me feel so weak and helpless, like even now, he's still controlling me. But at the same time, my recent determination not to let it effect the relationship with my boyfriend anymore, well I can't tell you how proud I was! It's always been such a massive issue, but it's like I finally broke the chains he'd placed around that part of my life.

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CailinDana · 04/11/2013 15:17

I was also abused as a child by a family friend. I started to remember as a teenager which led me to be very closed off and later had a bad relationship where I told the guy about it, he was very understanding but went on to rape me. I slept around a bit at the time but luckily I met my DH who was genuinely supportive and understanding and he has helped me to heal massively.

One piece of advice is to hold back on telling your mother if you aren't sure she'll be supportive. I told my mother and her response was : don't tell dad; I was slapped on the bum by my cousin as a child and got over it (wtf??!!); you need to shut up about it and get over it

CailinDana · 04/11/2013 15:22

Posted too soon. In many ways her reaction hurts more than the abuse and it has damaged our relationship beyond repair.

I have had counselling (some helpful some not) and I think I need more at some point in the future. But so far I have healed greatly and my life is exactly how I want it (apart from relationship with mother). It is entirely possible to work through this and release its grip on you. It's hard but worth it.

I believe you were abused. It shouldn't have happened and it wasn't your fault. You have nothing to be ashamed of.

DirtyLittleSecrets · 04/11/2013 16:53

Aww Cailin, thank you so much Smile you've made me all teary! I'm so sorry to hear about what you went through and your mother's reaction, I'll admit, that is probably one of my biggest fears about the whole situation.

I think, in the past she would have thought I was making it up because I was a very difficult child and teenager, we didn't get on at all! Now we've both grown up a bit though, I'm not sure, I think she would believe me (she would definitely believe my sister, but I know she won't ever say a word), but if she did, I know how devastated she would be, she would maybe blame herself etc and I just don't want to put her through that.

It just makes me sick that these men can do this to children, and leave them to grow up carrying the burden. Why do I feel so responsible for keeping his secret?

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pumpkinkitty · 04/11/2013 18:31

Secrets - I told a bf at uni, he didn't really know what to say.

Told my now DH quite early on (I accidentally fell off the bed while dtd, he laughed as I'd obviously not hurt myself, I burst into floods of tears and locked myself in the bathroom for over an hour!) he dealt with it fine but doesn't like to talk about it, although he's happy discussing my resulting mental health issues.

After starting therapy I told my parents. They were very upset as I thought they would be but it was a huge weight off. I can now freely say 'you know I can't remember much from that time' when they talk with us about when my DB and I were teenagers.

I'm very open about my MH issues and if people ask why I do tell them I was/am a navies victim (which makes some people uncomfortable but I don't care really)

I'd say go to your GP and ask about counselling. For me there was an 18 month waiting list and I couldn't last that long so I paid for private. It was a lot of money but it's also the best money I've ever spent.

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