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Too soon to give up?

53 replies

DressingGown · 15/10/2013 04:04

I've been lurking a bit but new here. I've been with dp for almost 12 years. Lovely dd is only 4 months. Dp has always been a drinker but before dd the good times were good & I suppose, despite moaning a lot, I let him continue. Dd was a bit of a 'surprise' but early in the pregnancy, we did discuss how things would need to change. I said I wouldn't want to continue with the pregnancy alone if he was going to keep coming home drunk etc. He promised things would change. (He now denies all knowledge of this & similar conversations.)

Dp finally got a steady job which I took to be a good sign, although I still continued to pay the mortgage & bills alone (which continued on mat leave despite promises from dp). He works very long hours often followed by long sessions in the pub. He can go all week without seeing dd as he gets up early & comes home very late, usually a bit or very drunk. It was a pretty traumatic birth, but for each of the three days I was in hospital afterwards, dp didn't appear until the afternoon. I was immobile for a while & really struggled. As soon as we came home he went back to work. When dd was less than 2 weeks old dp disappeared on an all weekend drinking binge sleeping on (his) friends' sofas & not answering his phone - all in the name of head-wetting. I cried my heart out.

What makes it worse is most nights dp calls and tells me what time to expect him. Tonight he called at 7:45pm & said he'd be home in 40 mins. He turned up very drunk at 1am. He woke the baby crashing about. He's now snoring on the sofa. Again. At least I didn't make him dinner this time. I really resent him making me wait by telling me he's on his way.

He does very odd things drunk. I found him putting dd's dummies in a pot of mustard one night. It really upset me. I wonder whether he's struggling accepting that he's a father now.

I paid for a week away in a cottage recently to try to talk/ give myself a break from being lone carer for dd 24x7. He seemed to enjoy spending time with me & dd and got involved with looking after her. Thought we'd turned a corner. But the second we got home he disappeared to the pub. I feel I've tried all I can to speak to him, but rather than talk, he runs away. I try not to confront him when he's drunk, but tonight I told him I'd had enough and wanted him to leave. He really turned on me. Said I was mentally unstable & he doesn't tell me it often enough! Said that I can't throw him out of 'his' home (mortgage in my name & he has never contributed, except this month, probably cos he started to realise I meant it about him pulling his weight). Accused me of making up previous conversations, etc.

I know you can't force people to change. I want to protect dd from his drinking & from growing up watching me accepting the way he treats me. I just feel so guilty for inflicting useless parents on our gorgeous little girl. I worry that maybe I'm depressed & being unreasonable & it's too soon to give up. Maybe he just needs time to get used to having a baby. But I really want him to go tomorrow & fear he won't.

Sorry for the long rant.

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CookieDoughKid · 16/10/2013 00:59

Dp not do. Sorry!

RunLikeSomeFeckersChasing · 16/10/2013 03:17

Hope he has not turned up. You are doing the right thing. You and dd deserve peace in your home.

EBearhug · 16/10/2013 03:24

Please don't let your child grow up with an alcoholic parent in the house. It fucks up your whole life.

You're doing the right thing. Stay strong.

Tortoiseonthehalfshell · 16/10/2013 05:15

Dressing, you're doing brilliantly. He's clearly assuming that you will just continue to enable him and forgive him and support him, because you always have done, right?

Am I understanding that you have been together for twelve years and he has never contributed financially to the mortgage and joint expenses? Actually?

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 16/10/2013 09:39

Too late to contribute anything, you've already roared! You did this for your DD and yourself, outstanding Flowers. That took courage.

BerstieSpotts · 16/10/2013 09:44

It is sad. I hope that he finds a way out of this for DD's sake. Maybe it will be too late for you, which is fine, but he still has a chance to be a good dad to her.

You are doing the right thing for her. I hope you're okay this morning?

If he does turn up with promises, just remember it's better for him to get clean/dry somewhere else, so that he doesn't harm DD (emotionally) during the process. Please stick to this.

hellsbellsmelons · 16/10/2013 13:58

How are you doing today Dressing
We are here for you no matter what you decide.
Remember that!
I hope it's going well and he is out of the way to get his head together and for you to get some space and peace as well.
Keep strong - and let us know how you are getting on.

DressingGown · 16/10/2013 16:55

Sorry for the delay in responding. He turned up at 5am & let himself in (no bolts & I reasoned he'd only break the chain if I put it on). He was drunk. He'd been sleeping in the car & was freezing. It took me until midday to talk him back out, but he's now taken his bags & gone. He still doesn't agree with me or acknowledge his problem, but seems to acknowledge that he's not going to change my mind.

Tortoise yes, well, at least for the 10 years that we lived together. Blush I always knew that would look bad written down. Wish I hadn't been such a doormat for so long. But to paraphrase something I read on one of the blogs late last night, every day it feels like life isn't going like it's supposed to, I look at dd and realise that it is.

I didn't sleep last night and it's been a tearful day, but I feel oddly relieved... at the same time as feeling very sad and a bit dazed.

I can't thank all of you enough for your support. But thank you!!

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cjel · 16/10/2013 17:20

Sorry you are having to face this, but well done for being strong for your daughter. Have you had time to get the locks changed in case he tries to come back again when hes drunk. I know you won't want to but now he has gone put the chain on and if he does try to break it call the police. Oh and by the way you are not a nutter.

Hope you have support in RL to help you through your wobbly times.
Well DoneFlowers

DressingGown · 16/10/2013 21:50

Cjel I didnt change the locks. I've practice of doing it myself & spare yale barrel as he has form for losing keys in jackets/bags that contain letters with our address.

Dp actually offered to leave his keys when he left, which threw me a bit and I didn't take them! Annoyed at myself.

He texted to tell me he's staying in a cheap hotel nearby, which says to me that he doesn't want to tell his friends cos there are plenty of sofas out there that he's slept on after a session. I feel much calmer tonight. I really don't think he'll turn up. Think he's realised I am not budging.

And I've found lots of Al-Anon meetings very nearby. Looks like it'll be okay to take dd with me.

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cjel · 16/10/2013 22:02

Wow you are doing so well, you sound so positive. I'm glad you found Al-anon, its always good to have rl support who know what they are talking about!
I'm glad you feel calmer, hope you get a good nights sleepx

DressingGown · 16/10/2013 22:05

Thanks Cjel. Goodnight x

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DressingGown · 19/10/2013 22:51

So after a couple of nights in a hotel, he is staying with a friend, and looking for somewhere "short-term" for himself. Says he accepts that he needs to sort his drinking. Tells me I did the right thing. The thing is, I think he expects that in a couple of weeks he can tell me that he's not drunk anything since he's been away and just waltz back. I'm not sure whether I want him back at all - even if he does 'properly' sort out his drinking. It's been so calm without him. And I've had a lot of time to get angry about everything I put up with for years and years. But then I feel guilty about dd, and that I maybe owe it to her to give it a shot if he does manage to sort himself. So confused.

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youvegotmail · 19/10/2013 22:59

You do not owe it to your DD to give it a shot. You owe her a stable, happy life with a mum who is either alone and strong or with someone she really wants to be with.

He is not going to change hun. 12 years is a long time. It's not just the drinking - he's clearly very self involved, idle and so on.

Even drinking aside, you can still choose that you just don't want to be with him any more. I think you should.

Draw a line and start moving on.

Glenshee · 19/10/2013 23:08

Glad to hear you're safe and ok (-ish). Focus on getting support for yourself. Al-anon, counseling maybe, friends, family... It takes time and effort, so start now, you need it more than you think.

Glenshee · 19/10/2013 23:09

Change the locks, as well.

StupidMistakes · 19/10/2013 23:37

I was with an addict In the end the only person who can get help is himself, no matter what you do, or how many conversations, arguments or therapy sessions you have with him, this wont change him, he has to WANT TO CHANGE himself and until he can step back and see that he has a problem this wont happen. I am sorry if I sound harsh but by hand holding, and sticking by him, looking after him, cooking for him, paying the bills, providing a roof over his head, you aren't curing him, I am sorry but that is the reality You will hear the promises, god knows I heard them enough times, tonight was the last time, I will never touch it again, my ex even overdosed on cocaine and was vomiting blood down the toilet, 8am the following morning he swore that he was done with cocaine, but by 5pm he was phoning his dealer yet again.

In the end, I left, took our son and never looked back, I believe he is clean from cocaine now, which is a positive though still on alcohol severely. Nothing I did or said would make him change, no amount of pleading, begging or tears stopped him on his path of self destruction, you need to get yourself out now and your DD, its hard but either way he will do one of two things or maybe both, he might spiral downwards further until he reaches rock bottom, or he might realise what hes doing and get help and recover, or realistically he could spiral down and it will be when he reaches rock bottom that he realises he has a problem and starts to get better.

Either way, holding him up, supporting him and unconditional love wont solve this, you cant protect him from the alcohol, you cant make him better, he has to do that himself,

(((((hugs))))))

fifi669 · 19/10/2013 23:49

You sound very positive OP! You def did the right thing.

I wouldn't discount ever getting back together if he gets himself sorted. I think if you get tempted don't let your shared history sway your judgement. Treat him as a complete stranger that you start dating. If he seems like a knob after a few dates, ditch him! Don't think you owe him anything just because you were together for so long or because of DC.

AnandaTimeIn · 19/10/2013 23:49

He's married to the pub/booze. Hasn't grown up. And if you've been together 12 years, frankly it ain't going nowhere.

This is not going to get better.

You will though if you get out. You and your child deserve so much better and it WILL! (I am a LP).

UnexpectedItemInShaggingArea · 20/10/2013 08:22

I will go against the tide and say that it is possible for alcoholics to beat their addiction and go on to have successful lives and relationships.

However, OP, I do agree with the others that say that doesn't mean you have to take him back. 12 years of broken promises and hurt is a lot to try to put behind you.

Get some support for yourself, independent of this issue. Good luck.

BerstieSpotts · 20/10/2013 08:26

You'veGotMail is spot on. Your DD doesn't need her two parents in one house, she needs a happy, stable environment. You owe it to her to provide that environment - getting back together with him is not a requirement. He owes it to her to get clean so that when he sees her on his own time he can be the best father he can.

Also, he won't sort himself in two weeks. Two weeks without a drink is really nothing. It would be a great achievement for him of course, but it doesn't mean anything in the long run, unfortunately. :( When he's gone 6 months, maybe a year or longer, and made significant changes in his life that show he's actually enjoying the change rather than moping over not having a drink or floundering, not really knowing how to deal with life - then that would be a sign that he really had changed. But you still wouldn't owe it to anybody to take him back. It's your life. :) I'm glad you're feeling much calmer.

Meerka · 20/10/2013 09:13

I'm with UnexpectedItem, people can and do change but it's rare and it has to come from them.

Please, don't let him back after 2 weeks. I really think that its part of the pattern and if you let him back for your dd or whatever reason, then it will simply go right back to the way it was. If he is dry after 2 years, that's a different matter and worth taking seriously. 2 weeks? it's the blink of an eyelid.

Your partner's had an easy life and people don't change until they hit rock bottom usually. This may be the start of the wake up call but that's all it is. it'll be a long road for him.

There's a chance he will get more and more unstable and unpredicatable while he really accepts you've drawn the line. Be prepared for it. If he does, the only choices are to crumble and take him back or else to simple to go through it and wait until it's finally sunk in and he's accepted. You'll come through it.

You've done the right thing, and sooner rather than later, which is really, really good. Change the locks, please. Good luck, dressingdown lady

RandomMess · 20/10/2013 09:22

I agree he needs to prove for a couple of years that he is dry and be a good father to dd before you consider having a relationship with him again. Well done for getting him out from your home so you and your dd now have a stable home life together.

AllOverIt · 20/10/2013 10:14

Good luck OP. You've made the right decision. Have you changed the locks?

DressingGown · 20/10/2013 23:54

Thanks everyone. I haven't changed the locks. Hopefully I won't be proved wrong, but I don't feel I need to. DP came around today to see DD, give her her bath and put her to bed, whilst I stayed quietly in the background, before driving back to where he's staying at the moment. He's going to rent somewhere nearby-ish.

Worryingly, he asked me whether I'd decided what he needed to do to 'fix' things. I tried to explain, and I think he understood, that it's not about me wanting him to jump through hoops. I just want dd to have a stable, peaceful home. Whether or not he thinks he has an issue - and what he does about it - is up to him. I also told him that time on my own had given me space to get really angry about all the things that had happened over the years. Told him I have no idea why I put up with it for so long. Said that perhaps there wouldn't be a way back after all this time - but that we could still be fantastic parents. He agreed with me a lot - said he'd done a lot of thinking about how badly he's treated me - but then he would, wouldn't he?!

I'm still really sad. Seeing DP and DD together and then showing him the door was really heartbreaking today. Sobbed the second I closed the door on him. Thank you all for your wonderful support. It really has helped when I'm floundering and doubting myself.

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