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It's like my sister is slowly unravelling... And I have no more words of advice

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Finola1step · 04/10/2013 21:59

In the spirit if not wanting to drip feed, I will try to briefly outline the situation.

My dsis is older than me by 4 years. We have always been quite close but not in each other's pockets. I love her to bits but she has the ability to drive me mad.

My sister has never really been happy or content in any job. She has worked really hard over the years to get her degree but is frustrated that it hasn't got her to where she thinks she wants to be. My dsis has had numerous jobs over the years but she is very quick to find fault. She resigned from a job without securing another one first and then spent almost a year out of work.

We then very sadly lost my dad nearly six months ago. My dsis has tried hard to get back into work. She works for an agency which keeps putting her forward for long term positions. She secures the position ok but within a couple of weeks it all goes tits up and they let her go.

For years now we have talked endlessly about her feelings, her stress levels, her love life problems, her work problems what to do, what not to do, big plans, small plans. She regularly asks for advice, I listen, we talk things over, I tell her what I think, she agrees, all is better. Then just a few weeks later, it starts all over again.

I have lost count of the times we have talked about whether she is depressed. She swings from being absolute certain that she is not, to maybe she should go to her GP. I have had depression myself and counselling which she knows. I feel like my dsis treats me as her unofficial unpaid counsellor. She off loads, I listen, she feels better, she goes out spending money, I worry and then the cycle starts all over again.

My reason for my post today is this. She has lost another job. Has sent me various text messages. Has posted cryptic messages on the dreaded FB. It's all attention seeking posts followed by "I can't tell you on here!" . And I have had enough.

I have listened for years and years. It doesn't get better. I am grieving too. I miss our Dad too. I found out this week that my lovely MIL has Stage 4 breast cancer and starts Chemo next week. The prognosis is not great.

If you have got to the end of this post, I salute you. I just don't want to walk away from my dsis in her hour of need. But I am tired of being the one who picks up the pieces. This has been our relationship for the past twenty years. I no longer want to be the rescuer. But how do I pull back? Any words of advice would be greatly appreciated.

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MajesticWhine · 04/10/2013 22:24

It sounds like she really needs some counselling or psychotherapy of her own. You could be forgiven for refusing to listen to any more of it until she finds some professional help, and when she calls on you with the latest problem, just guide her towards finding some help for herself. Withdrawing (a bit) of your support might actually be a kindness because she needs to find a more lasting solution to her problems rather than short-term, i.e. unloading on you and getting you to prop her up.

This is just a guess, but is there no space for your own needs in this relationship? What would happen if you said that you are grieving and struggling with your own problems and you don't have the capacity to support her as much right now? Would she be able to hear that? Or would she ignore you? Is she too caught up in her own drama to empathise with someone else?

Finding fault with others could be a way to cover up for a fear that she is inadequate. Just curious, but is there much trauma or loss in her / your pasts? The cyclical nature of what you describe makes me wonder if she meets the criteria for bipolar disorder.

Garcia10 · 04/10/2013 22:25

She is your sister. It wouldn't even be an issue to be me - I would be there to pick up the pieces. I'm really sorry about your MIL but as well as being there for her you need to give your Dsis support.

I don't think it is too onerous for you to call and find out what went wrong with her job. It is the least I would do for my sister regardless of the circumstances.

You sound like a lovely and understanding person. Just give her some of your more of your time. I'm sure you may regret not doing so more than you will regret doing so.

Can you really not find an hour in your life to talk through your Dsis' issues?

cjel · 04/10/2013 22:27

I was going to say that you should just try saying to her that you love her loads but after losing your df and now mil being very ill you can't give her the time she needs so suggest that she sees a counsellor now?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 04/10/2013 22:29

I also think you're entitled to say that you're sorry she has problems but you have too much on your plate to be any practical support beyond suggesting she sees a counsellor. There's being an understanding sister and there's letting someone suck the joy out of your life.....

tribpot · 04/10/2013 22:36

She's not really asking for advice, is she? She's more trying to give a pretext for the entire conversation being about her.

I think you need to step back. It sounds extremely draining and ultimately it could be more damaging to let your resentment build up to the point where you explode. I think you need to be honest and say you haven't got the bandwidth and you've already been over the ramifications of leaving the job, so she knows what she needs to do next.

BasilBabyEater · 04/10/2013 22:47

She's doing the emotional vampire thing isn't she.

You don't have to be her sounding board, it's exhausting and draining and when people seem like they aren't actually doing anything to help themselves, just very frustrating.

Tell her she needs counselling and that you won't discuss any of the issues with her until she's set the ball rolling (booked a session or got referred).

plentyofsoap · 04/10/2013 23:01

Sorry you are going through this. I had a very similar situation with a close relative. Please take a step back before you end up making yourself poorly with the stress of it all.
It sounds harsh, but some people never change no matter how much you try and help.

BillyBanter · 04/10/2013 23:07

Madness is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results. This applies to both of you. You have been there for her as best you can but if you haven't managed to affect her behaviour in the past 20 years another 10 years of the same isn't going to make a difference either.

Another vote for directing her towards counselling.

Finola1step · 04/10/2013 23:09

Thank you all for reading my massive post and replying with such wise words.

I have recommended counselling many times. My dsis will sometimes say that she doesn't need it or she will think about it but then doesn't take that step. She has even said that she doesn't need to see a counsellor because she has me to talk to and she doesn't want to spend the money.

Garcia you have hit my dilemma on the head. Yes, I do have an hour. Just. And I have, for the past 20 years. But right now, it's my husband who needs me more. His mother is very, very ill. They are very close and my husband is very upset (but trying vv hard to not show it). I have got to the point where I have no more to give my dsis right now. That makes me feel pretty low.

Majestic, no trauma or major lost in the past. We are probably closer in some ways because we have another sister who has a range of additional needs. Thus growing up, my dsis and I had to look out for each other a bit more than most I suppose. But by my late teens, I had taken on more if the big sis role even though I am younger IYSWIM. That has never really changed. Dsis still lives at home with mum and I do worry about how all this affects mum. Our other sister lives independently in her own flat being supported by her social worker and community key worker. She works part time for the council.

I have not been able to tell my side if the family about my Dsis about my MIL because I know what will happen. There will be questions about the what, how and why. Then she will go back to talking about herself.

I know this because she did this when I wanted to talk about my grief over Dad, when I had a cancer scare last year, when I was slipping into PND nearly five years ago. I could go on...

I think I will have to simply tell her that I have a lot in my plate right now and I'm sure something will turn up soon. I just feel that right now, I am done.

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Twinklestein · 04/10/2013 23:12

You're basically a free counsellor & she feels entitled to use you as a crutch. Your support means that she never needs to actually get professional help. You may well be unintentionally enabling her behaviour patterns.

I would tell her that you love her very much, but that you're not experienced enough to deal with her problems, you find yourself out of your depth, & she needs professional counselling.

Just keep repeating that until she gets the message.

Twinklestein · 04/10/2013 23:16

xpost - well at least she's admitted it!

She has even said that she doesn't need to see a counsellor because she has me to talk to and she doesn't want to spend the money.

Reassure you will always be her sister & there for her, but that her problems are too much for you to handle & you can't do this anymore.

I had to do this with a couple of friends & it was fine.

Finola1step · 04/10/2013 23:36

Yes Twinkle I know you're right. I have not responded to the dreaded FB posts, I have been very brief but supportive in the text I sent earlier this evening. I have not called. I will sleep on it tonight and then think carefully about what I will actually say. I know my support has become enabling and is therefore no longer support.

Thank you wise mumsnetters.

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cjel · 05/10/2013 09:08

trouble is you are not a cousellor so are not trained in keeping healthy boundaries. I hope you feel better t his morning and strong enough to do what you know you need to.x

something2say · 05/10/2013 09:24

Be aware that some of the diffulty will be in the way you feel about not being your usual self. What is happening? Is she alright? Etc. I think it will be weird for you.

But check this out.

I had a friend almost exactly the same. When I backed off, I didn't realise but she would go elsewhere straight away, with no break. She didnt stand on her own two feet, she immediately found others. I felt much better for not being drained like that any more.

Finola1step · 05/10/2013 13:18

Thank you all. I have spoken to dsis today over the phone. I have explained the situation with MIL. I listened for a short while as my dsis talked about the latest job drama but did not offer advice and none was sought. I cut the conversation short as dd needed my attention. For now, I am going to leave it there and see what happens.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 05/10/2013 13:21

Glad you've regained control. Good luck

Finola1step · 05/10/2013 13:23

Thank you Cogito. You are one mumsnetter whose advice is always very sound and insightful. You're so right about the control, and I would be the first to spot this with others.

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