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What is happening? Help me figure this out (DM/DSF)

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Upnotdown · 01/10/2013 14:02

Huge back story to this but I'll try and keep to the facts or I'll break the internet.

Mum and step dad have been together for over 20 years. They don't get on at all. Spend months not speaking to each other over very trivial things (don't like the same TV program so fall out and leave nasty notes for each other for the forseeable). It's always been this way but it's getting worse.

Finances are separate. He pays the mortgage, she pays everything else.

She won't leave - she's scared. Not of him but the life that's waiting for her. No money, no job, no savings. It is a hopeless task trying to talk sense into her, she says the only way out is death (she's a young early 60s).

They are both narcissistic - when me or my sister have problems she says 'How do you think I feel? I can't cope! I can't sleep! This is making me ill' type of stuff. Selfless in some ways - will help strangers, but very selfish with feelings and doesn't care if other people are in the same boat because it's worse for her. He, on the other hand, is self-serving to the core.

Anyway, she says something in him has changed. That she could see that he was at least bothered before but he's become even more distant and it's like he hates her. (I know). He's all of a sudden at the gym every night after work,from 4pm until around 9.30pm (we've seen him there so he does go sometimes, for sure). He came into a large sum of money a few months ago and didn't tell her, she found out. He refuses to speak - stonewalls her, slams doors, punches walls, throws coffee, puts his fist in her face (without hitting her), has just pretty much left her to rot after a couple of operations, speaks to her like shit (in front of anyone and everyone), rips her off. But because they were childhood friends, she makes huge allowances for him (he had an abusive upbringing).

The conundrum she's in now is, if they split, she has to give up a jointly owned house because she can't afford it on her own. He whinged and whined at her to buy her council house in joint names. She didn't want to but did it to keep him quiet. They got it cheap with a full council discount. He went out a few months later and (don't ask me how) took the equity out in a home improvement loan to buy himself a 'prestige' car. Therefore shafting the discount my mum had built up.

DM is difficult to teenage girl proportions. Wants to cry and stamp her feet instead of being practical. Will not go the WA route, said they'll put her in a slum. I am stressed out to the fullest with it all. This has been going on for years but now she's threatening suicide.

She needs to leave but is clinging on by the skin of her teeth. What can I do? If anyone has any practical suggestions,please tell me. She won't go to counselling as she's a trained counsellor and no longer 'believes' in it. (I know!) Her GP referred her to a psychologist (six sessions to try and get to the root of her unhappiness) but they've just finished and according to DM, the psych agreed with her on everything and they talked about psych buying new coats on her recent visit to NY....Great.

Help (thanks for sticking to the end, if you managed it).

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hellsbellsmelons · 01/10/2013 14:30

I'd call WA and CAB on her behalf and see what advice they have.
It must be so hard to witness all of this and being unable to help very much.
Be there for her, like you are now and do what you can.
But she is a grown up and she needs to realise this soon, and get away from this horrible man. He sounds truly vile!

CogitoErgoSometimes · 01/10/2013 14:35

You can't actually do anything unless you think your DM is in danger. If she's threatening suicide you could potentially get her GP to visit for another mental health assessment. It didn't end well last time but, you never know with a different GP or psychiatrist. If you think she is in immediate physical danger and is in the middle of a wall-punching outrage, for example, you could call the police. You can offer to help, suggest agencies like WA etc but sadly, as she is an adult, you cannot make her do anything she doesn't want to do.

Which brings us to 'you can't change other people, you can only change yourself'. So you could decide to reduce your stress levels by distancing yourself from her. I'm not a big fan of 'no contact' but there does come a point where, if someone else's problems are making your life miserable, self-preservation dictates that you can and must walk away.

KouignAmann · 01/10/2013 14:37

What do you want? You can't fix it for her. You have to sit and watch your DM tolerating a full on DV relationship and choosing to stay in it as long as she prefers that to being alone.

If SHE was asking for our advice we would say "Get thee to a solicitor" and ring WA. But she isn't. She doesn't want to leave.
Her best bet would be to divorce him now while he has enough capital to pay her off so she can afford a house. If she waits it will be gone.

You are in an awful position here. She won't listen to you. Maybe you should say your piece then say you cant bear to watch her continuing to accept the DV and you will be there to help when she is ready to leave. Then step away. For your sanity.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/10/2013 14:44

You cannot do anything here to help because at heart your mother knows it all and does not want your help. It is also not possible to have any sort of relationship with a narcissist. Narcissists as well can and do run rings around therapists (as has happened here) and require many
years of therapy. Narcissists as well do not do at all well in therapy.

I would detach from these people, all they will do is drag you down with them.

Upnotdown · 01/10/2013 15:02

It's so difficult to minimise contact with her -my sister has. She said she can't show any more sympathy for a problem that has spanned so much time. I'd just feel so guilty - she's very close to my DCs and said she's have no-one without them. Her friends are all in similar positions to her. It's like they seek each other out. Spend all day on the phone moaning about the life they have but sticking with it.

I try to be the voice of reason and don't get sucked into wallowing with her, I've tried to get he to snap out of it, I've had screaming rows with her because she just doesn't understand that she could have a life after this. She told me that it's easier to leave your home and lifestyle with children than at her age and I'm too young to understand. I'm coming up to 40.

Unfortunately, they aren't married, so I don't know what happens there. The house is a joint mortgage.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 01/10/2013 15:14

"I'd just feel so guilty - she's very close to my DCs and said she's have no-one without them".

That is actually very manipulative on your mother's part and she chooses to stay with your stepfather so she really is not on her own. If she is indeed narcissistic in terms of personality she likely only sees your children as a source of narcissistic supply. She does not really care for them or anyone actually; her own self hatred holds no bounds.

Your sister's had enough unsurprisingly but it is hard on you
too being likely the last one left who bothers with her at all. You have not and will not make any headway with your mother, she does not want your help or to know any different. It somehow suits your mother to stay in the position she finds herself in.

(As they are unmarried they are seen in law two separate individuals unrelated to each other).

FOG - fear, obligation and guilt are three of many damaging legacies left by such poor examples of parents.

I would suggest you have counselling for your own self regarding the dysfunctional relationship you have with your mother.

Upnotdown · 01/10/2013 16:09

I don't even know if she is narcissistic or if I'm doing her down. I describe her that way because she won't take responsibility for her own mistakes - always someone else's fault. And no matter how many times I ask her not to buy certain things for my youngest,she ignores me and then says 'I don't know why you et him have those...', she lies about things that she's moved/broken, binned because she doesn't like it (in my house!), refuses to acknowledge other peoples POV, calls me 'stupid' to anyone that will listen because I don't do things the way she would...

Counselling sounds like a good idea. DM told me counselling would be good for me (after relationship probs) but then said she doesn't believe in it, it wouldn't work for her, she is better trained than the counsellors out there and knows what they're going to say...It's bizarre.

She's not blameless for their breakdown - they both want to sit and sling shit at each other about how the other one is to blame and they are perfect. Like kids.

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