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I need to make sense of how I'm feeling

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happyhomebody · 01/10/2013 12:46

I don't think I have ever loved DH and I don't think he has ever loved me.

We met quite soon after I moved to a new job in the midlands, 2.5hrs drive away from my family in the North.

He had only had one girlfriend before me and had confidence issues after severe acne as a teen and I think he was flattered by our friendship and pursued a relationship with me, I think I was insecure after a long relationship (from the age of 18-23) with a very 'laddish' man (think daily sport reading, lager drinking, lairy misogynistic football fanatic) who I think may have been the cause of some self esteem issues for me. DH was completely different, no interest in football, a good job (teacher), no interest in getting drunk every weekend and more respectful to women.

I think I was so glad to meet someone 'nice' that even though I had alarm bells about the relationship (he would get very angry about really small things, he had no patience, his face in repose is a scowl, he was quite boring, not effusive with his emotions at all, not much interest in physical affection (I have often felt very rejected), he always wanted things his own way etc), I guess I felt lucky and that I would never be able to do any 'better'. So when he asked me to move in with him, I did. Then not so long after, he proposed and I accepted. Writing all this down makes me now think what the hell was I thinking, I would not make those decisions now and I am so sad for that person I was 6 years ago where I felt this was what I should be happy with. On our wedding day, he deliberately said something in his speech which I had asked him not to (when I asked him not to mention this particular thing, he said 'It'll be too late by then', I thought he was joking). It embarrassed my family and I was so upset. He was also huffy and cross with me when I had to sit down during the wedding disco - I was 12weeks pregnant and had horrendous all day morning sickness but he didn't care. He then fell asleep on our wedding night without so much of a cuddle or anything. Same the morning of the next day in the beautiful bridal suite, it could have been any other morning at home when he was in a bit of a mood.

I come from a very easy going family, my Dad is the most gentle good natured, intelligent man you could ever hope to meet. My mum is too. I think this is why I'm struggling.

He loves our DC's to bits but can be short with them, he isn't very warm with them (eg I have had to prompt him (which makes him angry that I have said anything) to smile at them and cuddle them when he comes in from work), he can be impatient, doesn't like the untidyness that comes with two young children (he admits he could have OCD and likes everything just so. We have had many discussions about patience etc and he is trying but I can still see his temper bubbling under the surface which makes for an unpleasant atmosphere. I guess it doesn't help that his job is very stressful and he has a lot of work to do at home.

His family also visit us ALL the time, which would be great if they weren't so dysfunctional themselves. His mum is abusive to his dad who just allows her to be like that (eg telling him, in front of everyone to 'shut up, no one wants to hear what you've got to say, hitting him in full view of people), I also belive she might have been physically abusive to DH as a child, eg 'shaking' him as a baby when rocking him to sleep wouldn't work, strangling him around the neck when he was disobediant etc - these are just a couple of the things she has mentioned).

I told DH that if his parents behaved like that in front of our children then I wouldn't allow them to see them. To their credit, they have stopped behaving like this in front of DC's, but at the back of my mind I still know what they are like and I am wary of them. I make sure there is never any reason for them to be alone with DC's, not that any of them know I am consciously doing this.

I don't want my DC's to think that this is an example of a normal relationship. There is no real affection, tiny things spark the most silly arguments (I am the least argumentative person you could ever meet but I constantly feel I have to stand up for myself and the children). He says can't I just forget about things in the past but there are so many things that are like open wounds, eg he refused to learn to drive even though I was heavily pg and later had preeclampsia and a c-section, then I was still expected to drive even though DC1 was waking through the night an I was exhausted. Also hospital trips for DC1, long journeys for family stuff when I have only had a handful of broken hours sleep I have always had to drive. I had to force him to learn when I became pg with DC2. Even though he can drive now, he still refuses to drive anywhere. This has all really upset my Dad, I have had to stop my Dad confronting DH. My Dad says he feels like DH didn't look after his little girl when she needed it the most and I just felt like DH didn't care about me. My parents have zero respect for DH now after various similar things. One other thing that really hurts is that I had CO poisoning when I was pg with DC1 from a faulty gas fire, DH did not care, he was just angry that the gas had to be cut off.

He says all these things are in the past now but I just can't get over them (and other small things too but this post is getting a bit too long!), he is trying really hard with his patience and temper and trying to seem more friendly and day to day things are mostly OK, he is good around the house (thanks to his OCD) but there doesn't feel like there is any love there, and DC's will probably be able to feel that too.

I am feeling homesick for the love and warmth of my lovely family back up North, they have said they will support me whatever I decide but they really have no time for him now. I feel like life is so short, my family aren't getting any younger and would it be better for the children to be surrounded by guaranteed warmth and cheeriness with me and my family in the North but without DH, who they do adore.

DC1 is at a wonderful preschool down here in the midlands which he loves, but we hardly know anyone around here so there wouldn't be many ties to break. I haven't the first idea how we could leave though, I do work and there is a 1 bedroomed house for rent in my parent's village which looks OK, I could fit DC's cot and toddler bed in there with a single bed for me. There wouldn't be room for us to stay at my parents' house long term unfortunately. I worry about my job though, there is talk of redundancy possibly next spring.

Is it bad enough to leave DH? He is trying but old hurts and this undercurrent of tension, and a lack of love are always there. Would I be crazy to leave our nice little house (we only moved in last year) and make the DC's live essentially in poverty but with more love in their lives? I don't know how we would survive. Is it unreasonable for me to do this to them? I just want to feel loved and cherished, DH just doesn't feel this way about me.

One last thing, every time I tell someone my name (my married name) I feel a little bit of sadness wash over me. I just feel so detached from him.

I don't know what to do

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happyhomebody · 01/10/2013 12:49

I just pressed post message before I had read that through, I had planned to edit the length of it. Sorry it's so long.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 01/10/2013 12:57

"Is it bad enough to leave DH?"

There's no qualifying criteria for what constitutes a rotten marriage. It's a very personal judgement. If you're desperately unhappy now, don't see it getting any better and if you can't envisage another 30, 40 years feeling the same way then it's bad enough to call time. If you're worried about practicalities like finance and accommodation then you may find you get some confidence from talking to a solicitor. Good luck

happyhomebody · 01/10/2013 13:07

Thanks for replying, I wouldn't be able to afford a solicitor.

Reading that back, I feel so ungrateful. He works so hard for our little family, everything he earns he spends on us or the house so it's nice for us to live in. It's not like he has been violent or cheated like a lot of the husbands on the other threads on here.

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hellsbellsmelons · 01/10/2013 13:07

You DO know what to do.
Sounds like you already have a plan in place.
Do it - seriously.
Life is way too short for all this.
You will never get over what he has done to you.
There are too many horrible memories to erase.
And of course your children will flourish in a loving, warm, cheerful environment. As will you.
So you need to think practically now.
Talk to solicitor or CAB and get what you are entitled to.
Have a chat with CSA and see what your DH should be paying for the children.
I think you'll find you will probably be much better off than you think you will.
Don't worry about the job for now - that's in the future and you can cross that bridge when you come to it.
You all need HAPPINESS!

TheOrcHeadKeeper · 01/10/2013 13:08

It isn't about being bad enough. If it's not making you happy (and it sound crap to be honest) then you don't need to justify your decision from here.

TheOrcHeadKeeper · 01/10/2013 13:10

Plenty of people leave other people for less and some for more. It does sound deeply unsatisfying and slightly wrong in parts.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 01/10/2013 13:11

You don't have to pay a solicitor up front. Many offer a free initial half-hour consultation and most will postpone their fee until after the final financial settlement. You can find out a huge amount in half an hour and I think you'll be surprised to discover that you wouldn't be living in poverty.

Your husband may not be violent or a cheat but he is selfish, emotionally distant and uncaring and there is a hell of a lot else wrong with the way he behaves. Your parents love you and they can see that he doesn't.

happyhomebody · 01/10/2013 13:25

Thank you for your replies!

It is so difficult to take the first step, the insecurity of it all for the children is what worries me the most, all the unknowns for them in the future.

I wouldn't want to make things hard for him financially, I couldn't do that to him, I think that as long as I was working and we were in the same village as my parents I could provide for them myself.

I am frightened of divorcing him, that would mean shared custody and I don't know how that would work if I took them so far away (if we divorced would I even be allowed to move so far away with the children?) I can't bear the thought of them spending 50% of their time alone with my dysfunctional inlaws.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 01/10/2013 13:33

Again, this is all stuff that you can try to determine & agree either legally or through mediation or both. Try not to let misplaced feelings of guilt cloud your judgement btw. If a marriage fails, it fails and there are certain rules and provisions in place to make sure everyone gets a fair deal. It's not 'making things hard for him financially' to expect him to continue to support his children. Any decent father would not object to that, even if he had to make some sacrifices. 50/50 access to the children won't work if you're at a distance so there will have to be a compromise.

happyhomebody · 01/10/2013 13:38

Thanks Cogito, you are right. Are you a solicitor?

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 01/10/2013 13:47

No, but I've used their services in the past. When I was keen to agree to anything in order to get it over with, they helped me see that it's not about taking anyone to the cleaners or being vindictive, it's about a fair settlement. In your case, securing your DCs' future is probably the best motivation

Cosydressinggown · 01/10/2013 13:47

You get one life honey - one. It doesn't sound like this is how you want to spend it.

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