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Is he controlling me (financially and otherwise)?

45 replies

TwoEightTwoEightTwoOh · 01/10/2013 10:54

A couple of weeks ago I was at home with 2 children (both under 2) and the water went off. I rang DH (a plumber) and he told me to ring 118118 to get the number for the water company. It's a service I've never used but I did it and got put through (big mistake now I know, but I had no idea!). When the bill came for our landline it was twice what it should be and so we logged in and went to the itemised bit and discovered my mistake.

I obviously felt bad about this already but he then went through all the numbers and discovered a call to my mum for 1hr 10mins so we were charged for the extra 10 mins (we have that deal where it's free for an hour). So that was another pound or so and he had another go at me about that. I rarely call my parents - about once a month - so it's not like I'm always on the phone to them and I never call anyone else. To make things worse my parents were visiting and sat there in the room while he had a go at me about this.

It descended into a massive row with me crying in the bathroom. I tried to justify myself, because while I recognise I wasted money in this instance, I feel he wastes it too or spends on things we don't need (eg. Sky tv which he wanted) but I would never dream of berating him about it, and wasted money is just written off, or if he buys something that we never use I will be the one who sells it on ebay or whatever. I know I fucked up but I learned from the mistakes and the whole berating me in front of my parents thing like a naughty child was just unnecessary I think.

It got me thinking about how he is quite controlling generally and even when he knows I'm not happy with something, if its what he wants then it happens. He chose my car, which I hate, and he says we have to keep living here even though I hate it here. We also got a dog for 'him' but I desperately did not want a dog - all quite major decisions. When I challenge him about this stuff he just denies it or says "well you never make a decision so I have to" or will make it seem like I'm being unreasonable for questioning it (eg "we needed that car to fit both kids in" which is true but it doesn't have to be THAT car and I should've had some say. He calls it his car, and his house, even though the car is mine and the house is joint. He says its just a turn of phrase.

I'm on mat leave at the moment but I earn a good salary and I'm still on full pay. He is self employed and will come home and make sure I know exactly how much he earned that day. I already feel pretty low and we've had a bad time with the baby who has been really ill. We are not poor by any means and we have a good stash of savings as our parents have been very generous to us.

He wants me to give up work which I considered (partly because of the baby being ill) but now I think it's the worst idea in the world as I will spend my days battling with the children and he will waltz in waving his wads of cash and having a go at me over every pound spent. I just can't face a future like that but it's going to be hard going back to work as it is always me having to take time off for appointments and sickness (he 'can't let customers down') and my work will get pissed off.

I just thought I'd put this out there and see what people think and whether this is just normal and I'm being over sensitive?

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QuintessentialShadows · 01/10/2013 12:03

I hope the money is in YOUR account, not the joint or his account?

What an arse he is...

hellsbellsmelons · 01/10/2013 12:17

This doesn't feel like it's gonna end well to be honest.
As pervious PP have just said.
Start separating your savings now!
Give them back for now if you have to until you know what you want for your future.
If my OH had said anything about £1 spent on a phone call to my mum and dad I'd have told him to STFU and if it was such a big deal that £1 was an issue then we should cancel Sky immediately.
In fact I'd have gone off there and then and done it!
Seriously. You sound a bit scared to stand up to him. Are you?
Now if he'd have seen the choc wrapper and left it there and asked you then not so bad. Maybe he was just asking.
But to take it out of the bin and waft it in front of you and basically asking quite accusingly (I assume here BTW) is NOT OK.
If you want this to work, you need to stand up to him on every single thing he mentions.
Keep a log of what he spends money on that you find is not necessary.
Keep it going for a month or so.
Then every time he mentions anything to you - get the list out and go through it - keep repeating yourself over and over until it sinks in.
Personally, I don't think you will put up with this for much longer as you've now 'seen the light' as it were.
Everything will start to niggle until you eventually leave.

AllThatGlistens · 01/10/2013 12:17

Oh goodness, this is such controlling and abnormal behaviour Sad

Please, please listen to the wonderful advice from the ladies on this board.

Matildathecat · 01/10/2013 12:26

I hope that several thousand pounds is within your control and has been documented as a gift to you. Your parents presumably want you and the kids to benefit from their gift. If you did split he'd get half.

TwoEightTwoEightTwoOh · 01/10/2013 12:53

The recent gift from them was to help us out as a family when the baby was ill - her illness cost us about 5k in total, so it just got absorbed. Other gifts from them that weren't spent on the house are in savings in my name yes.

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FrequentFlyerRandomDent · 01/10/2013 13:09

Glad you are not giving up on your work, and in a way that the money was towards your baby. It must be so stressful for you.

You are doing very well to notice what is happening. Would it be possible to have a non confrontational talk with your DH?

A new baby, illness, controlling husband is a lot to bear. I am not sure where to start but here is a (((hug))).

TalkativeJim · 01/10/2013 13:12

Your dad would be right. He is a twat.

Do you want to spend the rest of your life with a twat?

You're young. You only get one life.

Don't let it end up being a life you don't really enjoy living.

Contrarian78 · 01/10/2013 17:40

Some o.k. advice here, but before you do anything drastic, just try and reason with him. This sort of thing happens by degrees. I know this because I was once a bit like your husband - though not with the chocolate bar thing.

I'm not excusing him, but have a think about his aprents attitudes to money. One thing that really struck me was the Sky TV thing. My wife is always having a go at me for complaining about her wasting money (her own money I should add) when I buy and in her opinion waste money on big ticket items.

We solved it by agreeing that she would pay £500 per per month towards bills (she often "forgets") and then spends the rest of her money as she sees fit. I don't always approve of what she spends it on, but I bite my lip and let her get on with it. Maintain your independence through your work - this would be a good thing to do anyway I think - and set about pointing out how unreasonable his behaviour is. He might, when it's all laid out in front of him, realise he's been a bit of a prat.

HansieMom · 01/10/2013 19:42

I think you should get a debit card to the joint account and use it freely. As now, you are allowed to put money in it, and that's all. Phooey to that!

You really need to call him on all the things he is controlling. You are an equal partner! Who made him the boss?

Would you be happier on your own?

Cabrinha · 01/10/2013 20:06

It's all very well saying the savings are in your name, but you're married - when you leave him, he'll get lots of it. Give the money back to your parents, or don't accept any more: get them to keep it for you for when you LTB.
Talk to them about what he's doing. Get their support.
A pound on a phone call? REALLY? Just think about that.

ageofgrandillusion · 01/10/2013 20:21

Next time he gets home OP, i suggest you be polishing off the last few from a really expensive box of chocolates. And if he says anything tell him it is your money, your life and you are an adult and that if he has a problem with that well it is case of tough titty sunshine.

ImperialBlether · 01/10/2013 21:41

What everyone else says, but also:

What's all that about the joint account? Do you mean you put money into it but he has full control over it? Do you check it online? Why are you living in a situation where you're paying for food for the family out of your own money when there's money in the joint account?

Why don't you each have a set amount - an EQUAL amount - that you can spend each month? And if you do do this and you save yours, that is NOT to be shared if/when you split up.

Really, OP, you're clearly a bright woman and you're living with someone who is incredibly abusive. Can you imagine a life without him?

wordyBird · 01/10/2013 21:59

From your post...

  • even when he knows I'm not happy with something, if its what he wants then it happens.
  • He chose my car, which I hate
  • he says we have to keep living here even though I hate it here.
  • We also got a dog for 'him' but I desperately did not want a dog

OP, This is really bad. Yes, he is controlling you: and he is quite unconcerned about your wishes, which he seems to deliberately frustrate. These are major decisions, as you say, not about what colour curtains to have.

And this too..

  • When I challenge him about this stuff he just denies it or says "well you never make a decision so I have to"
(..a complete and outright lie...you made a decision which he ignored)

This is on top of the financial control which has already been discussed. The fact that he likes to come home and gloat about what he's earned tells you why he wants you to give up work. So he can gloat even more, bully you more, and take over your whole life.

Don't let that happen. Keep your job.

AnyFucker · 01/10/2013 22:15

klaxon klaxon

For baby Jesus' sake, if you insist on staying with this awful man, do not throw away your earning potential.

scallopsrgreat · 01/10/2013 22:39

He sounds awful TwoEight.
The bit about the chocolate bar actually sent shivers down my spine. Very 'Sleeping with the Enemy'.

As others have said absolutely do not give up working. He is controlling and abusive. Making you cry over a few quid on the phone bill is ludicrous and cruel. Only someone wanting to control you and abuse you would do that.

The fact that you couldn't face life if he was lording what he owns over you is good news. It shows you are aware it is wrong and you want to stop it happening.

But, if he can't control you in that way he will find other ways. This will be your life.

Lweji · 01/10/2013 23:33

Be prepared for him to sabotage as much as possible your life to make it difficult impossible for you to work.

tallwivglasses · 02/10/2013 00:07

Having a go at you about a few quid phone bill in front of your parents? Shock

a. What did they do?
b. has he no shame?

StupidFlanders · 02/10/2013 00:26

I agree with what has been said.

I think you need to decide on how you can approach him to have a serious conversation explaining how when he does x,y,z you feel humiliated, sad, frustrated, angry etc. because of this you want him to xxxx and until you see this happening you will be returning your parents money and keeping your job. Make it clear that you are keeping your job because you are concerned about his history of financial abuse- let him know it is abuse.

Lweji · 02/10/2013 00:48

Sorry, but keep your job regardless.
He may well be quite capable of being nice just to get you to drop it. :(

hellsbellsmelons · 02/10/2013 10:30

Hi OP
How has it been over the last day or so?
Hope you are telling him how it's gonna be from now on?

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