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DH lying,yet again. Is it a mountain or a molehill? (Long.)

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leopardsandspots · 30/09/2013 13:59

Hello. Long time lurker on relationships. Reading the threads and wisdom on here has taught me so very much, and helped me come through a bad time with DH. Or so I thought.....

The current issue is that DH has just lied about employing a guy he used to work with years ago. This guy caused trouble for DH previously, and is now very troubled. I think it's an error of judgment to give him a job now in a company that is struggling anyway. DH and his partner employed this guy over three weeks ago and DH deliberately omitted to tell me.

I know that doesn't seem a big deal, but it is, because of huge issues of trust in our history. Bear with me......

The whole story is very, very long but I'll try and summarise key points.DH and I are in our late 40's. We have been married for 7 years and are very lucky at our age, to have a lovely, five year old together. We also both have equally wonderful older children from our previous relationships. Everything would be perfect, were it not for DH's past and dishonesty haunting us.

To cut a long story short eighteen months before I met him, DH had left his first wife and three children. When I met him he was genuinely single. He was living in a man flat and seemed a bit of a lost soul. When we met, his divorce was well and truly over.

Initially he told me no one else had been involved in his first marriage breakdown (and naively I believed him). Then about a year into our relationship, when a bit drunk, he disclosed that, contrary to what he had told me initially, he had grown very close to a work contact before he left his first wife.

My analysis now- having learnt from MN is that he had a classic emotional affair towards the end of his first marriage. Instead of working at that marriage, he followed the script, distanced himself from his first wife by finding fault with her. He then invested all his emotional energy in the married work woman, as they both bemoaned their marriages over clandestine drinks etc . This is my take on what happened with marriage number one. DH denies this. He says his first marriage was just over, and the married woman was just some- one to confide in. As he has said in our counselling.... I can't really comment on his first marriage as I hadn't met DH then and couldn't know.In effect -what's it to do with me really?

So after he left his wife and children he then had an affair with the married woman which then petered out after 3 months. This woman clearly preferred her husband and accepted a job offer in Australia with her husband and children. All this business was therefore over long before I met DH and was concealed from me.

I still can't believe I got involved in this tbh.

Anyway, by the time I discovered his history we had been dating a year. He explained he hadn't told me at the outset because he felt ashamed, and knew I wouldn't approve of infidelity etc. He acknowledged what he'd done was wrong as the woman was married. He kept saying he had now told me now, and couldn't bear to lose me. I had massive doubts about his integrity but I forgave him as it was all before we met; and I believed his penitence. I loved him too. He begged me not to think less of him. I was in love, and accepted the fact he was now being honest, and it was all in the past. Perhaps part of a sad mid life crisis.

We got engaged, moved in together, married, had a baby.

He has always maintained he is no longer in touch with the married woman in Australia. I wouldn’t have minded him keeping occasionally in touch with her anyway. She is still with her H and happier. (Anyway, she lives on the other side of the world, and it was history for goodness sake.)

DH always maintains he'd lost touch with her, but he goes for regular business trips to Sydney. Last year he went twice shortly after my Mum had died as well. On both occasions I asked if he'd seen her. He looked me in the eye and said he didn't see this woman as he was too busy. Then in autumn 2012 I found an innocuous work email sent to her -showing they had been in contact. When challenged, he completely denied he had been in touch with her at all. So after a big row about the importance of honesty in marriage, and following standard MN relationships advice, I threw him out. This lasted for three months. At Christmas we reunited at his initiative and are still together, having weekly counselling, talking about rebuilding trust in some sessions.

So last night I realised he'd been deceitful about this guy he has employed. He has been working with him now, for over three weeks, day in day out in a small office of 5 people. DH has been coming home everyday without mentioning he had given him a job. On the one hand DH’s work decisions are his own. If he has made an error of judgment, that will be for him to deal with. However why lie to me when we have trust issues anyway? Am I making a mountain out of a molehill?

The problem with lies is that you wonder how many other times they will lie. He won't change. He doesn't share my views on trust and intimacy and openness in a marriage. So what do I do? Accept that I have a DH who will lie sometimes and doesn't respect me enough to be open? Accept he has many other qualities and just re prioritise the importance of honesty in a marriage? Stick with the bloody counselling for another year, in the hope he may change and stop lying? LTB now as it's only a matter of time before larger and worse untruths happen? Mountains, molehills, leopards, spots.... I don’t bloody know any more.

I slept for about three hours last night tossing and turning trying to figure out why he lies. Then I cried on the ‘phone to my friend today. I thought we were turning a corner until yesterday and now DH has lied again.

Thanks for reading and for any advice. I know there are far worse DH's described on here.

Sigh.

OP posts:
AgentJohnson · 24/09/2021 08:56

I don’t understand why him employing this man is any of your business and why you think you have a right to know? I don’t see him not telling you as lying because it isn’t any of your business. You keep framing him not telling you in the context of unrelated circumstances. I think you are looking for things to hang him on which really isn’t necessarily because given his past, he will lie about something that will be your business soon enough.

You made a decision to stay with someone who lies to avoid being challenged, it is his default setting and it’s deeply ingrained. You can’t rebuild trust with someone who doesn’t see lying to you as a problem. He will always give himself permission and justify doing so because ultimately, his feelings take priority. Even when he was begging for a reconciliation, it was about his wants and not yours.

Begging your forgiveness after the fact is more palatable to him, that not doing the thing that you would challenge.

Just because you don’t want him to be this person, doesn’t mean he isn’t. At some point you can’t keep basing the future of your relationship on the person you want him to be.

TheSquashyHatOfMrGnosspelius · 24/09/2021 09:06

Well done for being done with all this OP.

For a minute I thought Cog was back! Sad

layladomino · 24/09/2021 09:11

This issue was part of the reason for the breakdown on a previous relationship of mine a long time ago.

The problem with lying is simply the fact that person is willing to lie, or to omit the truth about something they know you would want to know.

The minute you are aware someone is happy to lie to you, you know that you can't really trust anything they say. It isn't just about that particular lie on that day (which may be something fairly small) but the fact that they are showing you you can't trust them.

Trust is at the very core of a good relationship. And it takes many forms. 'I trust you not to be unfaithful' 'I trust you not to hurt me' 'I trust you to support me' and at the very centre of all this is surely 'I trust you to be honest with me' - because without the honesty, you don't know the person and you don't know how much of the relationship is real.

Thingsdogetbetter · 24/09/2021 09:19

@AgentJohnson rtft. He's gone. They're divorcing. She's meet someone else and is happening.

Ninkanink · 24/09/2021 09:21

@TheSquashyHatOfMrGnosspelius

Well done for being done with all this OP.

For a minute I thought Cog was back! Sad

Me too!
Ninkanink · 24/09/2021 09:22

And yes, well done to you @leopardsandspots Flowers

ravenmum · 24/09/2021 09:24

Glad to hear you've sorted things out, OP. He sounds a bit like my ex - his lies were also basically covering up things he thought he'd get mocked or told off for doing. A reflection of his childhood with parents who knew everything better and treated him like the family clown. He learned to cover up any mistakes, but also felt so stupid and ashamed of them that he would ignore them rather than sorting them out, apologising, learning from them or seeking advice. Sad really for the person who ends up telling these lies like a naughty schoolchild, but bloody infuriating for anyone who has to live with it.

IveGotASongThatllGetOnYNerves · 24/09/2021 09:25

Fantastic update!
I'm really pleased for you

Marjoriedrawers · 24/09/2021 09:43

To be honest I think I'd be more concerned about the little omissions you haven't found out about yet. There could be countless much worse ones. You now know he's been in contact with the woman he had an affair with. How do you know they've not met while he was overseas?

Marjoriedrawers · 24/09/2021 09:45

Oh just saw update. Be happy x

SleepingBunnies21 · 24/09/2021 10:06

Op, im glad.

Before I read the update I thought you were staying and tbh I just thought "that man is not trusteorthy, goodness knows what he gets up to behind her back, something else wikl probably come up, and I have my doubts the Aussie meet ups with his ex were totally platonic too".

AgentJohnson · 24/09/2021 14:04

@Thingsdogetbetter, keep your knickers on! I didn’t see the OP’s update because usually OP updates are highlighted in pink. I’m glad she got rid.

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