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slightly sadistic Mnetters who *do* argue

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mydaddyisapriest · 26/06/2006 13:47

My DH has spoiled the weekend. He usually just spoils Sundays. I dont know why, maybe its the thought of going back to work on Monday or maybe its too much time together? We argued Saturday, I was tired after work and he was tired becuase he had been up quite early (for no reason in particular) He lost his temper and threw a couple of things. Not at me, just in temper.
Things culminated yesterday when he told me that our son ( who was staying at a friends) had phoned to say he was going to London with friend and parents. He said as he knew this he didn't see why he had to tell me. I was furious, of course i want to know where my children are, imagine my shock should there have been an accident.
We ended not speaking for the rest of the weekend. until last night he apologised for his actions regarding throwing things ( not regarding argument itself) He apologised for not telling me about son then added "next time i will know you want to know his every move" I just tutted at the adolescence of the comment as couldn't be bothered.
The argument centred around family time and activities at weekend. We never do anything except shopping in the nearest town. Then he is a baby if he doesn't actually buy anything. He tuts and eye rolls if i ask " can you mow the lawn?" " can you help with this or that" If Cups or Plates need washing or tidying up needs doing. everyone waits for me to say "please can you..."
Whilst at work Saturday i asked if he could put away clean clothes. He made the piles gave the children their pile each, threw his pile at the top of his cupboard and left my pile on the floor in the bedroom and said " i ran out of things to hang them on" which is rubbish there are lots of free hangers in my closet. Its not just the lazyness of this action and it being indicative of his whole tone, but the thoughlessness as he and the children wear a uniform all week. i do not, hence having things hung helps in the morning.
I needed to go to a bank in person ( in the nearest city over 20 miles away) to withdraw some money today. i couldnt put the money into another account as he has my card. i rang to tell him this and he turned off his phone. I have in the past told him that if he is with a client that it is only good manners to say "excuse me" and then ask " can i ring you back" or turn the phone off. But i think that seeing my name and dismissing me is upsetting.
i feel like i am an apendage, a weight, a drag. If i ask him to interact for more than 15 minutes either with the family or contribute to the running of the household then i get the deep sigh and the eye roll. This makes me feel unwanted and i think i am going to spend a week of being my DH. I am not coming home from work early to make the evening meal. I am not instructing on making things presentable. I am going to leave things.I would really appreciate it if you didn't give me meaningful advice! We are big talkers, but i am all talked out. I despise sulking. i prefer honest and open communication. but i am fed up. and i want to sulk. I am turning into dh for a week. at this moment in time, there is 2 cups, 2 coke cans, one side plate and various rubbish in front of computer at home. There are glasses on all side talbes in the living room along with plates. There is even a plate on the sofa that one of the children used. i am not asking them to move it. There is half a carton of milk left to go sour. The bin smells.
He will expect me to forget things and to carry on and make the most of the week. however i am afraid i would like to make his week bloody awful. There must be some mumsnetters who dont sit round a table and talk things through all the time.

If no responses, it has been good to talk!

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2Happy · 26/06/2006 14:28

I agree with all that's been said, but with one slight note of warning. If your dh is anything like mine, you may think you're giving him a taste of his own medicine by not cleaning for a week, but he might just not notice! Honestly, it's amazing the amount of crap men can put up with without thiking "good lord we live in a pigsty, better get the hoover out". Sulk, yes, but just don't be too subtle about it!!

mydaddyisapriest · 26/06/2006 14:48

thanks 2 happy subtle i will not be

lol moondog. my dh even got you swearing.

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wanderingstar · 26/06/2006 15:20

My dh is generally OK at weekends (unless busy with work). But 1 thing that irritates me is if he's not busy with work his natural default is just to do his own thing whether it be going on the computer, fiddling with his car etc. Otoh for example I have to say I'm going for a shower, can you watch ds3. Lately I've started sometimes jumping in the car and going off for a coffee/bit of windowshopping for an hour. I'll bring back some deli stuff for our lunch, but it lays down a marker that on weekends which are not taken up with dh's work, or, say, a zoo trip or family lunch for all of us, my down time matters too !
I'm not prepared to hover about washing sports kits and loading/unloading the dishwasher the whole weekend. It's too depressing.

flutterbee · 26/06/2006 15:21

I don't want to be the party pooper on here or have everyone jump on me but, I would keep doing exactly what you do whilst he is at work because if you suddenly stop everything he may throw the well I work all day argument at you and threaten to give up work for the week and see how you like it. Obviously if you are just going to stop doing everything from the second he walks in untill he leaves again then I totally agree with you. General house work do, picking his socks and pants up off the floor you won't do.

Normsnockers · 26/06/2006 15:23

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magnolia1 · 26/06/2006 15:30

Me and dh don't have full blown arguements very often but we do bicker. It is mostly little things and often tongue in cheek but occasionally we have huge rows actually I have huge rows he just ignores me

I have tried the 'do not do anything' type thing at home but he doesn't give a carrot, far to laid back!!

So I do the bare minimum at weekends with the main house work on mondays and Tuesdays while he is at college.

He does cook loads though and does the shopping at 6am on a friday morning [shock
So I can't complain too much

QE · 26/06/2006 15:39

My dh moans that I treat him like one of the kids. Which fucks me right off because he doesn't actually initiate anything round the house so I have to tell everyone (including him) to get off their arse and clear up their mess. When he sees me going round tidying things in the evening after the little ones have gone to bed his effort at helping amounts to saying will you sit down and relax! I would prefer him to say, let me help you with that so you can sit down in half the time.

dh has never, ever in all the time we have been together cleaned the bathrooms or polished or changed any bedsheets or volunteered to cook anything. But he will bathe the kids. If he does do anyhting after I have pressed him to he thinks he deserves a friggin medal for it.

As a last resort (and believe me I had tried all the tactics mentioned on this and numerous other threads) I started working 3 evenings a week from 4 til 9. This ensures he has to cook tea for the kids, has to tidy up etc. Well that is my long term aim. I am still preparing the dinner before I go so all he has to do is serve it up, and I ranted at him when I got home one night that the house was a shit hole and I found it unacceptable.

A long way to go methinks.

sarahhal · 26/06/2006 15:56

So glad there's other useless DH/DPs out there! I seem to work with a crowd of woman whose partners do everything and mine does sod all.

MDIAP I knwo exactly how you feel about just leaving it all to pile up, but I know that I'd end up doing it all on my days off anyway and I'd live in fear that someone might turn up at the door!

I think it's all down to lazyness (sp?)isn't it? DH just drops his clothes on the floor, leaves his cups and plates all over the place and doesn't give a thought about picking them up.

Hope that your week goes ok - let us all know if things improve!

HappyDaddy · 26/06/2006 15:57

Us blokes really are arseholes sometimes, intentionally or not.

I still catch myself going "but, but i've been so busy doing err err oh yes, sweet f all. ok, i'll clean up the mess dear". hehe

foundintranslation · 26/06/2006 16:05

Oooh can I join in? I'm hopping at the moment...
Admittedly dh is pretty good with the domestic stuff (well, he's a sahd) - although if I didn't do it or remind him to, the washing-up would be done every other day and the flat would be a health hazard before it got cleaned. Sigh. He does the cooking, the veg-box ordering, the rubbish and the shopping, though.
But he's a lazy a*se when it comes to applying for funding for his doctorate so that I might actually be able to go part-time one day. My contract is running out in 9 months and he's only just starting to get his applications together - and it's not as if I don't give him the time - he just prefers to spend it surfing the Internet, reading loads of (non-study-related) books and having long naps. I've been telling him for weeks to get a list together of all the closing dates of all the different organisations he intends to apply to, and he's been saying 'yeah yeah' - and then today he 'happens to notice' that one of the deadlines is on Friday, leaving three days to get an application together and sent off by Thurs and meaning I have to drop everything else when I'm not actually teaching so that he can get it done. When I said 'right, first thing you need to do is ring your referees', he actually said 'oh no, I won't today, I'm too tired, I'll do it tomorrow' [wtf emoticon]. I hold down a FT job, do translations to earn us a bit extra, look after ds, get up 2/3 times a night to feed him, do probably about 40% of the housework, organise family and friends' birthdays etc., do volunteer work, and I'm knackered.

Mercy · 26/06/2006 16:08

at your dh Normsnockers. I thought mine was bad but bloody nora....

robinpud · 26/06/2006 16:11

I could add so much to this thread.. but I won't.. cathartic though it would be.
whatever our discontent with our partners, can we please undertake to bring our own sons up to understand that

  1. skid marks in the loo do not vanish of their own accord.
  2. washing does not spontaneously make its own way from the floor into the bedroom back to the chest of drawers washed and ironed
  3. women are not better organised they just make lists and look at them I could as you can imagine go on... and on and on! Good luck mydaddy- can't offer anything other than complete understanding of what it is like to be married to a pita. Perhaps we can start a thread for mnetters with dipsticks for husbands.
mili · 26/06/2006 16:39

'skid marks'? is that one guys miss the loo and it ends up on the seat? how about teaching your boys to sit while they wee instead of standing? this is for your dh as well. it should save you having to nag them or getting angry with them. this has worked in my family. my db was told off by my older db for wetting the seat and said 'either aim right or sit down! don't let me ever see wee on the seat again, got that?' never happened after that . my dh cleans after himself, much tidier than me , so no complains here. by dbs are a different story tho.....

mili · 26/06/2006 16:40

my not by dbs...

Normsnockers · 26/06/2006 16:48

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shimmy21 · 26/06/2006 16:59

can I join the useless dh club?

I work one evening a week and go to a club another so on those nights dh has to wash up after the evening meal (which I cook and serve before I go out), bath and put the kids to bed. Not once. Not a bl%%dy single time has he ever either picked up the children's clothes scattered over the bathroom floor or put away any of the pots and pans etc. Each night I come home and politely say 'would you mind putting the clothes in the washing basket if they're dirty?' and each time he says 'but I hadn't finished yet because I was busy washing up'. Funny that every time I come back he is watching TV or on the computer.

grrrrrrr

mydaddyisapriest · 26/06/2006 20:09

I can't keep up the nastiness. I am officially pathetic. I keep trying to sulk but when i have to communicate with him we both end up doing that smiling when you don't want to thing.

he said i spoiled his weekend. sometime this evening i will have to state "i am sulking".

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moondog · 26/06/2006 21:30

I would refuse to have sex with a man who was this slovenly and would tell him straight that such behaviour doused my sex drive.

Especially the skid marks. Gross!!!

dinosaure · 26/06/2006 22:06

mydaddy, I hope this has been a bit therapeutic

Rhubarb · 26/06/2006 22:11

What's that song that goes

"what do you want from me? You've taken my life away! You're ruining everything!"

Me and dh sing that to each other when we piss each other off. It used to be a group catchphrase within our group of friends, if someone did something wrong we'd all chorus "You're ruining everything!"

Sorry, I know that doesn't help you much, but you could sing that song to him just to irritate him!

joelallie · 27/06/2006 13:02

I think that there is a special school for men that teaches them how to be like this. I can cope with doing most of the housework, I can cope with getting kids up in the mornings and doing school runs etc etc. I've accepted all that more or less...well years of arguing have convinced me that it's not going to change. And I'm very organised so it all gets done somehow. And I'm not very good at sitting around anyway.

BUT what I hate is the way he behaves at weekends when we go out. I dread family outings because he seems to expect our kids to behave like Stepford children....they don't, they're normal. He sulks over their behaviour because I won't support him having a go at something that one of them has done. Beleive it or not he has actually stormed off back to the car.... This weekend DS#2 was giving me a cuddle and then decided it was funny to pretend to strangle me (he's only 3 so it didn't hurt) - he grabbed DS#1 of my knee and shouted at him to say sorry...DS#2 wouldn't and I didn't care anyway....poor kidw as getting hysterical and sobbing and I reached out to hold him...DH stormed off in a strop. WTF???? It's as if he has an idea of what kids whould be like and when ours aren't he gets mad. I can't remember that last time we had a really nice family outing together - kids and I prefer to go alone. So you're not the only one that has the weekend problem.

Hope the sulk campaign is bearing fruit

dinosaure · 27/06/2006 16:06

Yes, how are things today mydaddy?

mili · 27/06/2006 17:17

norm that sounds so gross.
i was once watching dh doing the gardening (mowing, clipping, etc-the place was a HUGE mess when we first came and it took a long time to get it to the present state)and i said to him i would never do it myself and would have got someone else to do it. he replied that it wasn't much for him/didn't bother him. just like i don't mind much doing the house chores. he said he'd go mad doing the things i do every day. not because it was too much, but he wouldn't have patience for it doing it everyday.
he's really good. sometimes he'd just up and clean the place really well (without asking)and tidy (he's very tidy) but most often he wont. (should mention that when does clean it's when i simply don't feel like it and leave it, say the previous meals' dishes, he'd do it then).
i know the made loads of grammatical/spelling mistakes as i have a tod here who is having a right cow

Normsnockers · 28/06/2006 09:53

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mydaddyisapriest · 28/06/2006 14:42

The world cup doesn't dominate. we watch the England matches together. We made friends yesterday. Today, not wanting to be around the complete cesspit of my home i cleaned the living room, dining room, kitchen, bathroom, toilet. It still looks messy!

However we have people coming over tomorrow. I shall make him work like a dog this weekend.

thank you for all your advice and support.

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