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Need some advice on supporting a vulnerable adult (might be upsetting)

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MrsOgg · 24/09/2013 23:01

This might be a long post, sorry.

One of my relatives is about 60. I've barely seen him since I was a child because the rest of my family cut themselves off from him because they were scared of him. He bears grudges, would take things the wrong way/get the wrong end of the stick, and then would take his 'revenge' .... he has been physically very violent to an old lady, broken windows, left dead animals on peoples' doorsteps repeatedly for months, and started a fire. My family hardly ever mentions him, I almost never think of him, but it's just struck me...

In the next ten-fifteen years he's going to be getting on a bit, and going to start needing a bit more help. He has no children, and there aren't a lot of us in my family in my generation - so it should probably be up to me to make sure he's ok, shouldn't it? I live about four hours away, so it's not like I can drop in on him casually, but it's just dawned on me that in the future if he needs help then I might be the only option.

I think he has learning difficulties. He has never been officially diagnosed with anything as his parents refused to admit there was anything 'wrong' with him (although apparently they took him to someone at one point but it was apparently 'too late', whatever that means). I hope learning difficulties is the right term - I barely know him, but his whole life people have conned him and scammed him out of money, and he has only ever had very basic manual jobs, and I know this sounds awful, but when you talk to him you can tell there is something different about him. He has never had a friend or a relationship, and he gets very frustrated with people. He also had a really awful horrible childhood with lots of abuse of different kinds. I think he has had a pretty miserable life overall.

So to sum up: I am very wary of him. I feel desperately sorry for him. At the moment he lives with a very elderly family member, but when they pass on he will have nobody at all who looks out for his welfare. In the past, although he used to live independently he would get himself into awful living situations. He needs someone keeping an eye on him. But I barely know him and you can't just introduce yourself to someone and politely ask if you can eg check their house is live-able and that they're not overpaying their taxes can you?

I feel like it would be easier for him to access official support if he had some kind of diagnosis, but how do you say to someone that you want a doctor to find a label for them as you think they're not normal? I don't mean that nastily, but that's how it's going to come across isn't it?

Has anyone been in a similar situation, or have any advice? Should I start trying to build a relationship with him now so I can gradually look out for him when the elderly family member passes on? Does it sound like he could get a keyworker or something (no idea what the right term is) from the council to look out for him?

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AngryByrd · 24/09/2013 23:07

Oh Goodness, you sound super caring and very well meaning. I hope someone who can advise better can suggest something.

Personally, I would ask a relative to see if they wouldn't mind helping me check the situation out a little bit more.

notJenkins · 24/09/2013 23:07

I would ring his local authority adult services and have a chat. He may already be known to them and they can advise or signpost for any support.

Stilsmiling · 24/09/2013 23:13

Maybe contact his GP, if possible, to relay your concerns. He may already be on their radar for support services but if not they will give you advice on what your options are and who else to talk to. It's a difficult situation and you are very kind to be considering intervening. Just keep in mind that frustratingly sometimes there may be nothing that you can do. Good luck.

MrsOgg · 24/09/2013 23:22

Thanks folks

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tallwivglasses · 24/09/2013 23:24

MrsOgg you're lovely. Local website adult social care. Also try typing random words into facebook like Advocacy then your town, or national organisations like Mencap.

celestialsquirrels · 24/09/2013 23:29

Why don't you speak to the relative he lives with first? That's the obvious place to start. I'd be surprised if they haven't wondered what might happen to him when they can't look after him any more/pass on. They may have put a plan in place, accessed help for him etc. there is no point trying to get a GP to tell you anything - they won't. Start with the person who is responsible for him now is my advice.

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2kids1pairofhands · 25/09/2013 09:03

MrsOgg, you sound very very caring indeed.

I feel for you, especially as I'm in a similar situation with a cousin, who lives 5 hours away and has no friends and very little family. I've been avoiding worrying as he's only 50ish but things will change. I never thought of asking on here but I too don't know how you would go about getting adult support or diagnosis for someone who has never had this and might not welcome or understand it. Or whether some control could/should be possible financially. I know that my cousin would hand over money to anyone with a vaguely plausible story or any over zealous salesperson.

It's very sad as I suppose just 30/40 years ago those with these sorts of difficulties were treated very differently to today. It sounds like your family member has had a particularly tough life also. I hope you get some good advice here or talking to the person closest to him now helps. Do keep us all posted.

MrsOgg · 25/09/2013 09:46

Unfortunately the person he lives with is part of the problem as she get s very angry if she thinks you're saying there is something 'wrong' with him.

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2kids1pairofhands · 25/09/2013 19:25

Oh dear - that would make things tricky. Does this person handle money for them. Can you broach it first as finding some cover for the future before discussing diagnosis? Is there anyone closer to them who could talk to them on your behalf?

WhoNickedMyName · 25/09/2013 19:32

If he's done the stuff you've described... Physical violence, leaving dead animals on people's doorsteps and fire setting, then I'd be really surprised if he's not already 'in the system' somehow anyway.

Pinnheart · 26/09/2013 12:07

Maybe you should look at the Office of the Public Guardian website and familiarise yourself with the mental capacity act. This will best advise you how to protect your relative and yourself. It may cause a lot of conflict in your family if one person is making health and financial decisions for a distant elderly relative , particularly if there are large amounts of money involved and it might be best for all if the public guardian is making these decisions and you are just giving friendly support to your relative.

celestialsquirrels · 26/09/2013 23:32

OOOh it hasn't been called that for a good few years Pinnheart

It is called the Court of Protection now

TravellingLemon · 01/10/2013 03:53

Office of the public guardian and the court of protection are 2 different things. OP needs to familiarise herself with both about how they work together. The court grants the orders for deputy's hip (either for property and finance, or health and welfare-2 different orders), and the OPG monitors the people (attorneys and deputies) who are granted the orders.

The local adult services may have an online portal about accessing services, there may be some things that could be accessed without a formal referral, might be worth checking their website.

Social services may also be useful if the other person is preventing others from getting involved because they don't want to see the other person as different. Very sensitive area, social services are used to dealing with these issues. It's much easier and less painful in the long run to prepare for the future than trying to deal with things in an emergency.

Good luck OP

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