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mrsmooms · 14/09/2013 22:56

I am really struggling with the best thing to do in this situation. There is lots of back story so please bear with me ..

I find MIL a very overbearing and manipulative woman who thinks she can do and say whatever the hell she likes and everyone else should put her first unconditionally and ignore or suffer the emotional manipulation, badmouthing to others and so on. There is always someone who she is not speaking to. Several years ago, and after many, many months of not reacting to her spiteful digs, comparisons with DH's ex, guilt trips and mutterings about not 'knowing my place', I had enough and asked her to leave my house as I wasn’t prepared to be insulted in my own home. She threw a major tantrum, first refusing to leave until DH reiterated what I had said, and then phoning every other member of her family to tell them what ‘that thing’ (ie me) had said. She then continued over the following months with nasty accusations over the phone, notes through the door, instructing other people to have a go at me for being so horrible to a poor, innocent old woman. There were various other issues ongoing at the time, all related to DH but which proved to be so stressful that I’m pretty sure I was very close to a breakdown and was referred for therapy. Chose to have no contact with her from that point.

All of DH’s family except his two SILs (who have been on the receiving end of exactly the same behaviour themselves) chose to refuse to even seek an alternative version of events and I have been ostracised since, although his DBs still keep in touch with DH. We have had 2 DCs since this occurred and no acknowledgement whatsoever from the majority of the family, which hurts deeply as I feel my kids are being punished. Other DB maintains a relationship with DH but manages to completely ignore me unless I ask him a direct question on the rare occasion that I do see him – last time was a few days after I had given birth to DC2 and he managed to spend over 2 hours at our house without saying one single word to me. I ended up sitting upstairs ‘feeding DD’ for most of his visit because it was upsetting, which funnily enough is what happened with MIL on more than one occasion. It was an awful, stressful time.

Anyway, I have recently decided to try to make some kind of attempt at a relationship, for the benefit of DH mainly, and have invited MIL here on a couple of occasions and DH has taken DS to see her a few times. Word has obviously spread as suddenly we are being invited to social events by people who have not spoken to either of us for years. DB (the one who ignores me) was seemingly so desperate for us to attend his DD’s birthday party that in the space of a couple of hours there were voicemails, texts and FB messages informing us of the venue and how thrilled they would be if we would all join them.

Basically, I find this quite insulting – I get the impression that these relatives think that as I have somehow ‘realised the error of my ways’ and resumed speaking to MIL they will be magnanimous in deigning to include me and my DCs in their family. So the same people who had no qualms about deciding I must be a horrible person just because MIL said so and isolating me and my family for a few years, then appear to expect me to be gracious and grateful and jump at the chance to spend time in their company.

This has dragged up all the same feelings of resentment and anxiety and worrying about what people think of me that I experienced at the time, and tbh I probably should have continued to steer well clear of MIL for my own well-being, despite DH wanting everyone to get along with smiley happy faces. It’s clear to me that I’ve not been able to deal with my feelings about what happened in the past but I get the impression now that if I turn down these invitations then I will again be perceived as the one with the problem and further isolated.

I really don't know what I should do that is in the best interests of my family (me, DH and DCs) regarding these social events or relationship with MIL generally. The whole situation is very painful for DH but I just don't seem to be able to move on. Any thoughts appreciated.

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Darkesteyes · 14/09/2013 23:08

OP they sound like a VERY toxic family I actually watched my own DM sit outside my DB and his exes flat when they split up.
Its harassment and my DM was lucky DBs ex didnt report it as such.
Your MIL is lucky you didnt too.

Darkesteyes · 14/09/2013 23:11

the benefit of DH mainly

The whole situation is very painful for DH

How is it benefitting him if its painful for him What has he actually said about the way shes treated you in the past.

mrsmooms · 14/09/2013 23:22

Initially his view was 'that's just the way she is', she falls out with everyone and so on - ie to him and the rest of the family her behaviour is normal and should be tolerated or ignored. We had many arguments about this as I couldn't understand why she felt she could be so spiteful and overbearing when she barely even knew me.

Eventually he did, reluctantly, try discuss how her behaviour was coming across but she wasn't having any of it, which is when I told her to leave. It's been the elephant in the room in our relationship ever since as whilst on some level he can see how much I have been hurt by her, he will always say 'she's still my mother' and clearly feels like I have fractured their relationship. I have made it clear that he can go and see her on his own but what he really wants I think is for us to forget anything ever happened and play happy families...MIL would like this too, I'm sure, as that would mean no recognition or comeback for the part she played.

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FetchezLaVache · 14/09/2013 23:28

They sound vile! Your MIL in particular sounds quite narcissistic and it appears that only you have the balls to call her out on her behaviour. Thank crap your DH has chosen to back you to the hilt over this! Very interesting that although your sisters in law have been on the receiving end of similar, their husbands haven't had the balls to stand up to mummy over it.

You sound strong and sensible enough not truly to give a shit what these weak idiots who seem to regard you as in some way having "backed down" think of you. I guess all that really matters is whether you think it would be in the best interests of your DH and DCs to have her in their lives, and decide whether you want to attend these family gatherings if they are likely to give you more anxiety than pleasure.

Darkesteyes · 14/09/2013 23:31

I think your DH is massively letting you down with his attitude.
The family are also enabling her behaviour by tolerating/ignoring it.

Oh ignore him/her is lazy advice at best and enablement at worst.,

What your Dh is doing is victim blaming if he is, indeed blaming you.

PTFO · 15/09/2013 08:09

Mrsmoons, I'm so sorry your going through this, I can relate to a toxic MIL but in your case her entire family is enabling her and they do that because if they don't then they become the object/victim of her bile and hate campaign.

Do you know how the rest of the family really feels about your MIL? I would go no contact again with MIL, reach out to other family members directly and see what their response is. If they are 'off' then ask what the problem is and if they say MIL, ask why as it should not have an effect on your relationship with them. cut MIL out. build around her if not fuck em.

sorry im rushing but I hope you get the point!

FetchezLaVache · 15/09/2013 08:12

I think the husband needs cutting some slack, tbh, Darkest. He's been brought up, like the rest of the family, to believe that "this is just the way his mum is" and she needs to be humoured, yet he stood up to her when OP originally challenged her, asked her to leave their house and ultimately agreed to go NC with her (if I have correctly understood). He's basically overturned a lifetime of conditioning and I think he deserves a bit of credit for that, and a bit of understanding for any regrets and misgivings he may have had. I don't see anything in either of OP's posts that indicates that her DH blames her?

PTFO · 15/09/2013 08:30

yes I agree with fetchezlavache. very true. My dh used to say this to me, its just the way she is until he saw non family's look of horror when MIL opened her mouth. Until my parents would be shocked and horrified at what MIL considered normal behaviour. Also when MIL fell out with other member of her family over her behaviour and he able to talk to them about it openly, he knows its not right.

CookieDoughKid · 15/09/2013 10:30

Very difficult op. My mil invited my do and dcs over for tea today and has not invited me. I really don't read into this (as much as I used to). I've learned to accept that I don't NEED mil or dp's family to make me happy. So its OK and I quickly move on and get on with having a great time whilst my mil babysits them. [Grin]. My question to you is what do you want to achieve? It takes a huge amount for people to change. You can implement coping strategies and you can deal with it and lead a happier life!!

mrsmooms · 15/09/2013 11:38

Really appreciate all of your replies. It's hard to be objective from the inside..

Fetchez - he doesn't blame me for her behaviour but I believe he does resent the way I feel about it and he also resents the impact that me not wanting anything to do with her has had on his relationships with his family. Whenever we have an argument about something completely unrelated it's ALWAYS brought up by him so clearly he has not been able to move on either. FIL died following a progressive illness during this time and from the way DH speaks to me I reckon that he does blame me for him not having seem FIL many times before he died, even though it was his choice not to go round there often. Perhaps the guilt he feels about that is making him more resentful. Or maybe he is using it as an excuse and he found it too difficult to see FIL. I don't know.

PTFO - one SIL refuses to have anything to do with MIL because of the way she and her DS have been treated, while I get the impression that the others either ignore because they do get something positive from the relationship, or they are actually pretty similar to her so don't see anything wrong with how she is iyswim. She would say that she is only ever 'trying to help' but to me this comes across as extremely overbearing and woe betide anyone who doesn't want, need or ask for her 'help'. She is very good at emotional manipulation and is very all or nothing in her relationships. DILs should know their place.

Cookie - your question is very insightful. I have spent a very long time thinking about what I want her to do (apologise and change mainly!) but have not considered really what I want from any relationship with her. The former is never going to happen so you're right, I do need to think about what I want to achieve. Right now I feel, as hard as it would be, that there is more chance of me having some kind of relationship with MIL than there is with the others in his family who were ignorant enough to ostracise someone they didn't even know ...

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 15/09/2013 12:28

I think your DH doesn't deserve the effort. How does any man let someone into YOUR home and then allow them to blank you? Whatever else has happened and however mad his mother is he made you an outcast in your own home and that is insulting in the extreme. Keep standing up for yourself, stay away from the malicious lot, and if he chooses them over you then he's really not worth a candle

Darkesteyes · 15/09/2013 17:44

OP if hes bringing it up when you are having an argument about something totally unrelated then he DOES blame you So hes victim blaming.

Im so sorry op Sad i agree with Cognito. If he and his brothers keep letting resentment pollute their marriages it will eventually kill the marriage

mrsmooms · 15/09/2013 19:35

Darkest I agree with you; whilst he can't logically blame me for the situation or how I reacted, he must still be holding me accountable for the fallout. Didn't realise that had a name! But actually, thinking about it I'd say he employs the same strategy very often, eg if I am upset or angry about something that DH has done or not done or whatever, he always tries to insist that the blame lies not with his action but with my reaction. I am apparently too sensitive, over-dramatic etc. I suspect his family all feel the same. Any idea why some people do this?

Cogito in theory I hold exactly the same opinion as you do, however due to what I've just written above I spend a lot of time wondering whether it is in fact actually me with the problem ...

Sooo .. how the hell would we/he/I ever get past this in terms of the situation with MIL and the family?! This is already corroding our relationship and I'd say it's getting worse as time goes by.

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CookieDoughKid · 15/09/2013 22:06

Basically, you need to LET GO. You have the powers to change the way you think. Look at your life as if you were looking at a sand clock, and the sand is dripping away. Sorry I don't mean to sound morbid but you wouldn't want to waste another previous minute of your good life on family that stress you out like this. Detach. Get busy doing something else and PLAN so you don't get caught out feeling down like this again. THEY'RE NOT WORTH IT.

Darkesteyes · 15/09/2013 22:08

Yr last post makes yr DH sound like a bit of a gaslighter OP.

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