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I am in a no win situation!!

14 replies

choochie · 20/06/2006 13:33

Hi, I’ve posted on here before and have been given some great advice.

I mentioned about my partner who doesn’t like me going out.

Well this time I have a hen night to go to on Saturday, he doesn’t want me to go and asked me to “choose” between him and the night out!!! I told him that I am going out and he said “thanks for the support”. He is I think quite depressed and this stems from when he found out about my friendship with another male, I had to keep it secret from him as I knew his reaction but my friend was having difficulties and had no-one to talk to and so that was really all I was a sounding board. Anyway DP found out and assumed I was having an affair. He now believes me but is more insecure than he ever has been (and he was bad before) but now I think he doesn’t want to let me out of his sight even though I have told him I love him and he is the one for me. He’s a great dad normally but just lately has been shouting at them more and been irritable with them and this is all because of me.

I really don’t want to leave and wish there was some other way to get him to have faith in me.

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Jazzi · 20/06/2006 13:43

I Choochie, this isn't your fault, you did nothing wrong, but it appears to be more about his feelings. I was once given some great advice that you are not responsible for the happiness of another adult - happiness has to come from them! He does sound depressed, does he have any friends?

Molton · 20/06/2006 13:44

Definitely keep going out by yourself - if you stop going out then you'll only end up resenting him (I'm sure you know this)

Be open with him about who you are going out with and where, no reason why he can't meet your friends etc. but, make it clear that, whilst you have nothing to hide, you are not going to let him be controlling.

Finally, get him out more - if he has his own crowd and people to go out with, he should spend less time thinking about you.

warthog · 20/06/2006 13:46

It's not right that you don't get to have a life outside your marriage. And I think giving in and not going isn't the answer as you wouldn't be happy.

Your dp has got to accept that you are a person in your own right and are entitled to friends and fun without him. I think you should go, but how about spending the day on Saturday and Sunday doing something with him that he particularly enjoys? Just to re-assure him that you are still there, you still love him, and you're not going anywhere?

Have you considered getting some counselling? What does he do when you do go out? How extreme is his behaviour?

warthog · 20/06/2006 13:47

sorry - meant relationship, not marriage.

choochie · 20/06/2006 13:53

He has on the very few times I have gone out been quite nasty and he always insists I am in at a certain time and if I am not he starts shouting and carrying on with me when I get home.

I went over to a friend's house (he can see her house from ours) and he was texting me telling me to come home. He said he was bored and was waiting for me but he knew I was going out so why didn't he think to do something for himself?

No he doesn't bother with his friends, I have told him he can go out if he wants but he never wants to, he just wants to be with me and the kids.

I need more variety, always have but i have put up with it because I do love him and when he's not like this he's very loving, supportive and we have a great laugh together.

He is extremely insecure and nothing I can say makes him feel better.

Have suggested counselling but he's not really shown interest, probably because we have always brushed it under the carpet.

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Jazzi · 20/06/2006 13:56

This behaviour is quite controlling - has he always been like this, or has it just happened after he found out about you helping out a friend??

choochie · 20/06/2006 14:09

No has always been like this. He was married before he met me and his wife had an affair so I blamed it on that.

He always complains about the clothes I wear too, he hates tops which show anything off etc

He's come from a very loving family though and his Mum and Dad adore him but they know his black moods too. It can't even be blamed on that.

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Jazzi · 20/06/2006 14:38

What does he do when you do go out?

choochie · 20/06/2006 15:04

Well he complains about the outfit I am wearing then tells me to be home at a certain time and just generally makes me feel totally crap about myself and what a bitch I am for going out in the first place.

I just end up having a crap time and then he texts me whilst I am out too Sad

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Jazzi · 20/06/2006 15:09

Have you spoken to him about how this makes you feel?

choochie · 20/06/2006 15:58

Yes and he thinks I should rightly so feel this way, he wants me to feel this way but this time I am not doing it I am going to stick to my guns and go out no matter what he says.

Have even made a provision for the kids to sleep somewhere else just in case he lets me down on the night and won't babysit like he has done on other occasions.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/06/2006 17:55

Choochie

Did you see your friend before she emigrated?.

The longer you stay in this situation the worse it will be for you and your daughters. He's done a bang up job on your self esteem and worth as it is. You are being dragged down with him.

Controlling men are also selfish too. He has got you in a gilded cage of his own making. You are being criticised for everything you do including what you wear. This is not "normal" behaviour. Your friends doubtless think you are mad for putting up with his controlling. They are probably afraid to tell you the truth. It has been brushed under the carpet by both of you for too long and is damaging both of you.

Both of you are also teaching your children damaging lessons here - that it is okay for Mummy to be treated like this and for their Dad to be so controlling. Your children may also grow up to think that this is the norm and therefore go onto meet controlling partners themselves thus the damaging legacy continues.

His former wife would probably say that he was controlling back then too - such behaviours are deeply rooted in his past. Its nothing to do with her affair - again controllers blame others but themselves for their own issues.

Unfortunately he can only address his own issues re controlling - no amount of coercion or persuading him to go to counselling on your part will work. Any will to change has to come from within him.

Did you read the book I recommended?. I hope you did.

If he will not change and from your writings there is no will or inclination on his part to do so then the ball in firnly in your court.

You do have the power to change things - ultimately you may have to consider your future with this man because he will drive you away.

Choochie, read again what you have written here:-

"but i have put up with it because I do love him and when he's not like this he's very loving, supportive and we have a great laugh together".

You are confusing love with abuse. Stop making excuses for him!!. He is becoming worse in his controlling behaviours. You are infact leading a pitiful existance. What sort of man constantly critisises his partner's clothes. A controlling one that's who.

"He is extremely insecure and nothing I can say makes him feel better"
This is not at all surprising. He needs professional help to overcome his destructive behaviours he is imposing on you.

"Have suggested counselling"
Very wise but he won't listen to this - he may well think he does not have a problem.

"but he's not really shown interest, probably because we have always brushed it under the carpet".
You've both let this go on for far too long with resultant damage to your self worth and esteem.

For your childrens' sake you may well ultimately have to walk away from him.

The decision is yours ultimately. He is more than happy to let things continue as they are because it benefits him.

Pages · 22/06/2006 19:38

Hi Choochie

I do agree with Attila/Meerkats about controlling men and it may be that you do have to walk away in the end but I have had more than one partner in the past who exhibited the sort of behaviour you describe and would not entirely agree that it is not normal. It is not right and it is very bad for you, and it has to be stopped, but I think there are more than a few men out there who behave like this.

I think in my case each time it has stemmed from low self-esteem on the man's part. It could be that your DP has an underlying fear that he is not good enough for you and that you will leave him. It is almost as if he is pushing you to do what he fears deep down you are gong to do anyway.

I walked away from the other relationships because they weren't worth it for other reasons, and when I met DH and he started to do the same, I was distraught. I remember thinking "Oh no, here we go again" but the relationship was so good in so many ways I decided to take a huge gamble and after a year of a very rocky relationship - I married him. It was a gamble because his fits of jealousy and trying to control me with sulks and comments about what I wore etc. could have continued to make my life miserable. But that wasn't what happened and the gamble paid off.

It was as if he transformed almost over night. Once he realised I really wanted to be with him and noone else the jealousy stopped, and he has never since criticised anything I've worn or got upset about another man or me going out without him. He still doesn't like me to mention ex-boyfriends but I think that is fair enough. This may sound like a fairy tale but it is true! I honestly couldn't have lived with his behaviour had it continued. Now it is not an issue at all.

It may be that your DP is too stubborn and rigid to even realise his behaviour is wrong (my DH must have realised deep down) but maybe you could try giving him an ultimatum - he goes to counselling or you will leave. Maybe he will then find the incentive he needs to go to counselling. I don't think it is unusual for a man to not to want to do this either, but he may relent if he knows he has no choice but to lose you.

Pages · 02/07/2006 19:53

Hi Choochie, just wondered what happened?

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