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dh is soooo antisocial - any tips???

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antisocial · 20/06/2006 12:09

sorry to have changed my name here. dh knows my chatname.

Dh is shy but it only seems to affect him when he's with my friends. TBh his antisocial behaviour is verging on quite freaky and it's getting me down. Last week he came to a party with me. He had met most of the people there but I knew them better. (school parents). There were a lot of other very friendly dads there in the same situation as him and it was a good opportunity to meet nice people. Dh did not make eye contact with anyone or smile at all. at one point he even stepped out of a group of chatting dads that he was in to go and stand on his own.

Ok, so he's morbidly shy but the following night a friend of ours came over with 2 more people we hadn't met. Dh was all smiles, chat -life and soul of the party type stuff.

Why can he do it sometimes and not others? I can't talk to him about it because we have had blazing rows about what he sees as my criticism of him (always after parties). But his behaviour the other night was so extreme it was incredibly rude to the others there. I feel very embarrassed to face some of the people who were there because dh was so weird to them.

Quite frankly I don't want to go out socially with dh any more because I feel as if I have to look after him instead of having nice time. Do I make excuses to dh and go out on my own? Attempt to talk him into being sociable? Just stop going out?

In fact I'd be surprised if we get invited out with these people any more -dh made it so painfully clear that the whole experience was miserable for him and I'm not exactly Mrs Social Whirl myself.

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moondog · 20/06/2006 12:11

Some people just aren't into parties.
I think it was JanH who said she failed to see the point of parties for attached adults.
Am inclined to agree.

antisocial · 20/06/2006 12:18

OK so he's just not into parties. We only get invited to them once in a very blue moon anyway (now why would that be?!)
It just seems so sad that he can't do a little bit of acting (fake smiles are better than no smile at all) so that he doesn't come across as rude and cold. I want to share friends with dh. At the moment we have no friends in common at all

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catsmother · 20/06/2006 12:42

I don't condone being rude but I do understand how it feels to be almost paralysed with nerves in a social situation. I hasten to add that I have never walked away from people but I do find it a tremendous struggle to "put on" and "keep on" a smile, particularly in a larger group - i.e. a party, and I really struggle with so-called small talk ..... I just don't have that skill at all, and I do worry when there's a lull in conversation that people think me rude too because I can't think of anything to fill it in with.

I do actually love good conversation & can talk for hours, but it's getting started that I find so hard. In my experience the cliched "openers" about weather, knowing the hosts, the journey to the venue and what you watched on TV last night are pretty much dead-enders.

I'm actually very short sighted and even with lenses/glasses often find it difficult to "read" people's expressions properly - unless I'm very close. Now I'm not saying that that's an excuse, but when we communicate it's not simply a question of hearing ..... and somehow, not being able to focus properly does affect me.

I know that my eyesight has caused (minor) problems in the past when I've walked past people in the street without saying hello ... it would be easy for them to assume I'm stuck up, particularly if they don't know me very well.

You ask why your H can sometimes do it, and sometimes can't ...... well, sometimes for me, I find social events "easier" than I expected simply because there's someone else there with whom I find I have a chemistry - and by chatting to them, and relaxing, the rest of the evening then becomes easier.

You also mentioned that when you had friends "over" (as opposed to going out) that DH was far more responsive. I'm the same .... I much prefer to socialise in small groups - and preferrably at home (mine or theirs) or where we're sat round a table sharing a few drinks or having a meal. This goes back - for me - to the eyesight thing ...... and when there's a defined group, it's so much easier to get into interesting and "easier" conversation. At parties, receptions etc., no-one seems to stand still for very long, often there's not enough seats to go round (or it's deemed "rude" to sit down even if your back and/or feet are killing you) and people flit about, to my mind, and in my experience "going through the motions" (i.e. "small" talk) without ever really wanting to get involved in anything thought provoking.

I wouldn't actually describe myself as shy ..... I don't know how I'd describe myself. I don't mind meeting strangers - so long as it's in a small group where we can really get to know each other & where there's no pressure to "work" the room. I'd be quite happy to go along for a meal at a collegaue of DP's who was a stranger to me or vice versa, but would feel very nervous at the thought of having to meet them in a crowded place.

At the end of an evening like that, I often wonder "what the heck was the pointy of that" .... I have an aching back, I stink of smoke, have kept a false smile painted on all night and haven't had any decent conversation because, it seems (I'm sure it isn't true of everyone) that at a party, most people do not want to spend very much time with just 1 person.

I can fully understand you wanting to share friends with DH but as he seems to be able to cope with socialising at home far better why not introduce them at home 1st ?

bluejelly · 20/06/2006 12:49

I don't think it's necesarry for couples to socialise together in big groups. SOme people just hate it, and I don't think any amount of cajoling can change that.
You go and enjoy yourself-- and appreciate your dh for what he can do, and is good at.

antisocial · 20/06/2006 12:53

Thanks catsmother. You have explained it very well. In fact I'm quite a shy person too so I do sympathise completely with the agony of parties where you don't know many people and run out of small talk. But as you said, at least you make the effort to put on your painted smile. I really feel quite angry with dh that he doesn't even pretend.

You know when you're in a group and eveyone laughs at a joke you don't hear or can't understand. You still smile inanely out of politeness, don't you? Dh just stares grimly behind people's left shoulders. WTF does he do that???

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antisocial · 20/06/2006 12:57

Yes Blue jelly, I suppose I am coming to the realisation that I should give up on the couple socialising bit as a bad job and plough my own social furrow.

Makes me very sad though. I think dh is sad about it too. Every now and then he'll say, 'why don't we have any friends in this town?' (and I have to bite my tongue not to answer 'speak for yourself')

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warthog · 20/06/2006 13:36

I think catsmother has hit the nail on the head. he is ok in small groups on his own turf. large groups where he doesn't really know people are very very difficult for him.

i'm quite anti-social and used to really hate going to large parties. an ex used to drag me along to these awful things and leave me alone for hours. he knew lots of people but i knew no-one. i'd try to make friends but people weren't particularly bothered. i used to find someone else standing on their own and chat to them.

my dh has helped me a lot and i'm much better. when we went to these things he'd stay with me and include me in conversations. now i'm more confident and can cope on my own and am much happier going.

i would ask small groups round to yours for dinner, and sometimes go to the larger parties on your own, sometimes include him but make a big effort to make sure he's ok.

oxocube · 21/06/2006 19:11

My dh is quite similar in that he just isn't into socialising even though he likes the people involved. He has made a really big effort recently (even my friends have commented on it)and has come with me to dinner parties etc when I know he would rather be at home. Its really hard somethimes but I have now got enough confidence to go to these things on my own if he doesn't want to go. Usually, I can say to my girlfriends that he just wasn't in the mood to socialise etc and they are kind enough/good enough friends not to make a thing of it. Tough though and I do sympathise esp as most of the people we know are 'really' sociable.

sparklemagic · 21/06/2006 20:20

antisocial, I think it's down to male selfishness that your DH can look so grim and not even try to put on that social smile. I have a good friend whose DH is the same, and they have just gone their own ways, she does not expect him to go along with her to parties.

I think go down the road of having just one or two people around to your place if your DH copes with this better.

I have to agree with moondog and catsmother, 99% of parties are completely pointless anyway and 1% as enjoyable as you hope they will be.....no great loss!

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