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Went NC in abusive narc family - now being harrassed

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crownpaint · 02/09/2013 14:03

NC'ed for obvious reasons. Its long and yet its only scratching the surface.

I have a messed up narcissistic family, for most of my life I have been the black sheep, hugely under confident, deeply unhappy and felt it was always me and my fault for not fitting in. Significant scarring from self harming as a teenager, one overdose at 17. I was the butt of every joke since I was a child, the one who was too tall, too fat, too stupid etc etc. My mother was physically abusive towards me (never my sister) as a child, other family members saw but nobody stopped her - my absolutely beloved father died when I was started A levels - I left home at 18 and have never returned although foolishly moved very close to family a few years ago seeking help with my disabled DC1.

I have had counselling since the beginning of 2011 because of being unable to deal with my first child being brain injured during a horrendous labour. As part of this counselling it became apparent that I was depressed, overwhelmed and in a negative abusive relationship with my mother and my sister. My expectations of them being nice and treating me like they treated each other were quite honestly unrealistic and no matter how I attempted to mould myself it was never ever good enough.

During 2012 I reduced contact with my younger sister, she was deeply unpleasant to me on a number of occasions, refused to listen at all when it came to my child and eventually I simply stopped making an effort. I sat and explained to my mother in late 2012 that i was tired of being spoken to and treated the way I was, that I felt some form of mediation/family counselling would help and my mother agreed - going so far in fact as to say that my solution seemed fair and amicable. I asked my mother to come along to at least one session and she agreed - I knew full well she was the cause of the way my sister has learnt to treat me and wanted her exposed as such and to hear it from both of us. Another element of the frustration was my sister constantly asking to 'help' with DC1 but never being free, or always being unavailable, she didn't acknowledge my recent pregnancy because I hadn't sent her a birthday card.

In March this year (2013) when 5 months pregnant with a much wanted and much loved rainbow baby my mother over stepped the line by ranting at me and applying significant EA in a phone call to the extent where I was almost sick - flashback to six years old again and terrified, I went cold turkey and no contact. Although I sobbed my heart out at the time since then I have never been happier and my relationship with my husband and DC1 (cerebral palsy, seizures & development delay) has gone from strength to strength in that time.

I have reiterated to various family members that I was happy to attend mediation in a neutral environment but a few weeks ago the emails began. First one from a friend of my mothers suggesting very critically that I was a little old for such sibling rivalry and stating that I had to allow my mother access to 'see the kids' and enable my sister to look after the children for 30min sessions while I went to the shop. I have taken legal advice re the access, and having spoken to my HV been informed that to leave a child with a seizure disorder in the care of someone who doesn't know them or their meds or who wouldn't listen to how to give them (my sister always knows best) would be failing to look after them.

Then another email from mother requesting she take my DC1 out for a bit for their 3rd birthday - I said no. Then a beautifully composed, positively dripping with BS sentiments arrived from my sister begging not to keep up this bizarre behaviour - that she just wanted aunty 1-2-1 time with her beautiful wonderful nieces. The ones she couldn't be asked to see or even acknowledge. Then several ranty emails from my mother about my terrible behaviour impacting on my children.

I foolishly replied to both emails explaining I wasn't going to be spoken to that way ever again, and both of course replied with more vitriol.

Why do I care?

Well I don't - but the wider family has now become involved and we have been uninvited from a number of events, the pressure it on to 'solve' these issues. Ultimately nobody can turn the clock back, my pregnancy was exhausting and frightening and I was ill afterwards. I am now suffering from clinical depression (not PND) caused by the family stress and the events surrounding my first childs birth. But I am once again being painted as the (very) unreasonable awful slightly unhinged nut case and the one cousin who has been supportive is now withdrawing their support. I should add I haven't ever bitched about these family members - I have just accepted I cannot change peoples behaviour only my expectation.

I am being pushed very hard, railroaded into fixing the issues, I suspect not so that they can see me but so that they can see my DC1, its clearly becoming embarrassing that they haven't met 3mo DC2. But I think the issues are insurmountable - three decades of abuse and narcissistic behaviour can't be switched off - I hurt more and more each time I think how much of my life I wasted listening to them tell me I was a failure.

This is impacting on my ability to get well mentally and look after my children - so many years of hurt and pain are rising to the surface every time I close my eyes.

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CrazyCatLady13 · 02/09/2013 15:09

Didn't want to read and run.

The only question I have is - why didn't you go no contact sooner? They're so toxic that I don't know how you've put it with it for so long.

How do you think they'll treat your DC? Do you think they'll treat them well? Will they treat you respectfully in front of them? If the answer to any of these is no, then why would you want them around your DC?

crownpaint · 02/09/2013 17:02

There have been periods of no contact in the past, especially between my sister and I - and also between me and my mother - nobody remembers this though, everyone talks as if its me being completely unreasonable all the time. Family have isolated me, failing to buy gifts when my DC2 was born (i'm not materialistic - it was just very blatant), people tell me thats 'just the way my mother is' and I should accept it. But she treats my sister like a human being - just not me.

I see so many people with their mothers helping with the children, or their sisters popping in to help out while they get on with bits and bobs or just talk and we have none of that. Just angst and anger and bitterness and so many untruths and lies. I suppose I want verification that it really isn;t me with the problem, I want apologies - but those will never happen.

They don't treat me respectfully in front of the children, although its meant to be one huge great joke and IAU to not see the funny side.

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Xales · 02/09/2013 17:09

Any one who tells you 'you must' with regards to your DC and your mother or sister go no contact with them too.

Your mother and sister have no rights with regards to access with your children. You have the responsibility to keep your DC safe from bad people.

You and your DC cone first. Anyone who says otherwise is not protecting them or supporting you and is a waste of space in your life.

Don't argue. Don't try to explain. It is pointless with people who support your mother and sister.

Easier said I know.

Good luck.

Xales · 02/09/2013 17:11

No contact means no contact though. The slightest contact from you will be seen as weakness to be exploited. Completely ignore and do not reply.

crownpaint · 02/09/2013 17:22

I think was my mistake - replying to the emails - the shite that was within them was just such lies and now the wider family (who were all copied in on the emails - and I quote from my mother to show how much of an effort I am making to resolve this ) see her as making a reall effort and me as some kind of awful character - loads of sympathy for my poor dear mother.

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TheArmadillo · 02/09/2013 17:25

How are they harassing you?

I got caller id on my home phone (and for a long time didn't answer the phone at all though I appreciate that this isn't possible for everyone). Changing your phone number may be another option. I changed my mobile number. Don't have an answerphone either.

Open a new email account. Get your dh to change the password on your current one so you can't log in and read the emails.

Get your dh to sort the post - you don't have to open or read anything you don't want to. If you do want to read it then it doesn't have to be straight away. You can wait till you have support.

I cut off my wider family for fear they would do this however this may not be what you want.

I know you are feeling scared and like you have no control over this but you can and it will be easier on you if you do.

You are in the most terrifying stage of this but it will get better.

weirdthing · 02/09/2013 17:26

I am NC with most of my family for similar reasons - even down to the vile younger sister and a child with epilepsy. Other family members have dropped me too (obviously deciding that I am the 'bad' one). It hurts massively but - you know what? - fuck the lot of them. As they say on here, 'No is a complete sentence' and any of your relatives who cannot understand that going NC with abusive fuckers is what you NEED to mentally survive need to go too. Only have people in your life who love and support your best interests. And if that takes you down to only have 2 relatives that you actually speak to - well I'm at that stage right now and it isn't actually that bad :) In fact, it's rather peaceful :)

Anyway, good luck and if I can be of any help, PM me. I too had the counselling for my son's epilepsy (my anxiety) and it ended up being about my childhood. It really opened my eyes to what utter fuckers my parents are. Anyway, I digress... Good luck and just be tough and love yourself and your own little nuclear family.

TheArmadillo · 02/09/2013 17:27

And also second the don't respond to any contact. Although tempting, it won't change them or get them to accept your point of view, it will only let them harass you.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 02/09/2013 17:30

This cannot be fixed through any method particularly that of mediation and family counselling. Apart from contacting them that was your other error; abusive people see such and use such to further beat their victim with. Such methods never work at all when there is abuse of whatever nature; your birth family are happy keeping you in the role to which you were assigned i.e that of scapegoat. You simply cannot fix toxic and damaged people who have chosen to make you their scapegoat for their inherent ills.

All you can do is protect yourself and go no contact with both mother and sister (who has been trained as a narc by her own narcissistic mother). Never contact them or see them again. Anyone who railroads you into making contact with your mother and or sister should be totally ignored - they have not had to live with this toxic twosome. You do not need such people in your life. If they are too toxic for you to deal with they are certainly too toxic for your vulnerable and defenceless child.

I would suggest you read the Daughters of Narcissitic Mothers website and the "well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these pages. Do read the resources as well on that thread.

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