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Gathering my thoughts - am I mad, or is he a tosspot?

123 replies

shadowofmyself · 28/08/2013 22:18

I think I need to ltb - unless I really am mad?

I'm sorry, this is dreadfully long as I need to gather my thoughts. I've also name changed as I don't want to be linked to my other threads.

We have been together 17 years, married for eight and have a baby. I have been with him since I was 19- I know nothing else. He is 10 years older and previously had a marriage of convenience.

We have not had sex in over 18 months and before that, it used to be every couple of months only and over in minutes, that's if he could keep it up. (Our five month old was conceived with fertility treatment, after many years and many attempts).
This may be bearable if he showed me any affection, any hugs or kisses or anything at all, but there is nothing. I am not allowed even on the same sofa as him, so there is not even any cuddles in front of a film - which I would have no choice in anyway. I lost two stone in weight before I got pregnant, but it made no difference. He is about five stone heavier than when we met but thinks he's gods gift.

I have given up trying to get any affectionate response from him, even a cuddle, as the rejection floors me. Even when I was pregnant, he wouldn't massage me or rub my back
unless under duress. He only rubbed my back during my 50 hour labour because I begged him in front of the midwife. He keeps saying how hard the labour was on him!

Financially, we each pay in what is supposed to be a fair and equitable amount to a joint account to cover the household bills - except he's never upped his side since the late nineties, even when he was earning far more than me. I now earn more than him, but am currently on mat pay. This set up has seen me accumulate massive debt as I have paid for most things - our wedding, all fertility treatments, bills, any holidays, renovations and the latest: all expenses from our recent move (this means I am having to cut my maternity leave short). He's never contributed to Christmas and the only things he's bought our baby is a £5 babygro and a puppet toy. He won't pay towards childcare and was not interested in looking at nurseries with me, so I've looked and made the decision myself. While I've struggled and rummaged in the reduced bins, he's been guzzling anything up to four bottles of wine some nights. I even pay his mobile bills and he made me put his expensive car repair bills and glasses on my credit card. Of course he's never paid a penny towards this. I very much resent him for this. I realise this makes me an utter mug.

I have been alienated from any local friends - and most of my friends and family are four hours drive away. If I do meet anyone locally, he belittles them so I don't feel I can talk about them. I am very, very lonely but do try and get out to baby groups. The only thing is I find it very difficult to relax and join in as I have no confidence, so haven't made any friends. I find it hard to trust anyone or think of anything interesting to say.

There is no conversation - every night he's in front of the telly (I have no say in the programme) and he'll ignore me if I try and talk. The TV is on full blast as soon as he wakes, even if I'm asleep. I sometimes think he should have married the Samsung instead.

He won't go out with me, even to the cinema. If I get a present for birthdays or Christmas, there's no thought in it - I get things like remote control daleks or spacehoppers. Something last minute and the first thing he's seen in a shop. I'd love to see some live music or theatre, or get a book - but he doesn't think what I might like. It's like I'm not worth any thought at all.

If I ever offer an opinion that differs to his, he shouts me down or ignores me. He comes out with dreadful bigoted stuff and when I protest, he says I am easy to wind up. I don't want him spouting this vile stuff around my son, even if in 'jest.' Apparently this means I have no sense of humour.

At the weekends, he wakes me up to make him a cooked breakfast, even if I've been up through the night with the baby and even when I was recovering from the c section. After I'd had the section he was straight on at me to do the housework and pushed me so hard physically (in terms of activity) in the first couple of weeks post partum that I got a terrible wound infection. I had a hard time getting breast feeding established and when I was upset and doubting myself as as mother, he just shouted rather than offering support. He goes on at me about housework all the time then huffs and puffs and makes a show of redoing it to his standard. It makes me feel useless - I think I must be if I can't even stack the dishwasher or mop the floor right.

I'm pretty sure he gaslights me - denies I've said something or does something stupid then blames me. As an example, he left a bottle of breast milk out at room temperature over night, so it all had to be thrown away. When I asked him why he hadn't put it in the fridge, he shouted and blamed me for not telling him that it had to go back in the fridge - our son is five months old!

At the weekend he called after work to say he was meeting a friend for a couple of beers and would be back by 7. I was absolutely OK with this and said I'd get dinner when he came back. Except he didn't roll in until after midnight, steaming drunk. I wouldn't have minded so much if he'd have let me know so I wasn't hanging on waiting re. dinner and to let him in as he hadn't got his keys.

Today, I went to hang some washing out but the line went very slack. I brought it back in until I could get the line sorted and mentioned that I may have to get a new one and he started shouting and swearing at me. I asked him not to swear but he kept cutting me off when I tried to explain the line had gone funny - but he turned round and said he swears because of the way I speak to him and I was 'lucky I didn't get more than swearing from him.' At this point, I ran upstairs telling him to F off and not come back (I know I shouldn't have sworn, but I hated him at that moment). He went to work carrying the sandwiches I made for him. He came back this evening and has still not spoken to me - worst thing, he's not even cuddled our little boy.

If I ever confront him he says no one else would have me and I'm lucky to have him. He says I'm a moody, high maintenance cow.

There's more. I could probably write a novel, but I'm exhausted.

To the outside world he's charm personified - no one would ever believe me and would just take his word that I'm a nightmare to live with.

Perhaps I am and I just need to accept that despite my university education and career I'm fundamentally useless, unattractive and not worth talking to.

His good points? He's good at his own PR, he can be witty, he can be generous when he chooses to be, he loves our boy...

I know you'll all say to ltb and that's what I'd say if I was reading this too. He's all I've ever known though. This is my normal. He'd deny all this and say I was mad. My friends and family would all think I was horrifically stupid if I left as he's always saying 'what I'm like' to them so I'm sure they must wonder why he puts up with me.

Maybe it is me who's mad, I don't know. I just don't trust what I'm thinking or my instincts anymore.

I'm not expecting any replies to this behemoth post. I just needed to get it all out of my head as containing my unhappiness is making my head spin.

Thanks for reading, if you haven't died of boredom!

OP posts:
mammadiggingdeep · 29/08/2013 11:55

You'll feel better immediately. Please, please ltb!

BatwingsAndButterflies · 29/08/2013 12:29

Since the house is where your son lives you should be able to kick him out? Do you rent or own? May be more difficult if you have a joint tenancy but if you own you should be able to stay put until DS is 18 as long as you can afford the mortgage.

WRT finances, do you have access to his bank statements? If you do, make copies/printouts of everything. Run yourself and him a credit check and that should tell you about any debts you don't know about.

Try and move money into your own accounts if possible.

Get yourself to a solicitor and you can have a free half hour consultation on separation and divorce. Meet a few until you find someone you are comfortable with, they will be supporting you through this.

Get a counsellor, possibly with Relate, go alone and don't tell your husband. Joint counselling is not recommended for abusive relationships.

Only tell him that the relationship is ending when you have everything in place. Aim to get him out as soon as humanly possible after telling him. Remember, this is your son's home and he must leave not you as primary caregiver.

If you feel unsafe around him, get someone to be with you when you tell him. Leaving is the most dangerous time for a woman in an abusive relationship.

Good luck and Godspeed.

shadowofmyself · 29/08/2013 14:17

My family are four hours drive away. I took my baby and me to the park to get some air and I called my mum for a chat and explained I wasn't happy - she just said there was nothing she could say other than it's bad timing on my part as we've just bought the house. So. That's that.

I have no one nearby other than his family and I don't want to involve them.

Batwings, some good suggestions there, I'll phone round some firms for legal advice.

I really don't want to leave our house - I think he should go.

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bibliomania · 29/08/2013 15:13

Hmm, not very helpful of your mum.

Good to explore the option of getting him to leave then.

Juniperdewdropofbrandy · 29/08/2013 16:05

Yes he should go.

Your mum should be more supportive. Although when I was splitting from exdh mine wasn't. She can be quite narrow minded sometimes.

Juniperdewdropofbrandy · 29/08/2013 16:06

As far as kicking him out I don't think you can do that? You're both entitled to live there.

Lweji · 29/08/2013 16:14

I know you'll all say to ltb and that's what I'd say if I was reading this too. He's all I've ever known though.

Yes, LTB.

I'm sure he's not all you've ever known and not your normal.
He's just what you had to cope with.

Do get legal advice, and any other practical advice you can get.

If you are in the UK, get in contact with Women's Aid and CAB.

I suspect he won't let you go easily. :(

OctopusPete8 · 29/08/2013 16:55

So you can't even stay to clear your head a bit? your mums shit!!! sorry to be so blunt.

shadowofmyself · 29/08/2013 17:01

This is the whole thing of no one believing me, of people believing that I'm over reacting and high maintenance. It's a frighteningly lonely place to be.

Back home from the park now as a frisbee landed on baby. Husband still not speaking or looking at me but has managed to cuddle baby and give him a bath.

Feeling very sad and deflated. He's back at work tomorrow, it will be easier to make some calls then.

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overmydeadbody · 29/08/2013 17:09

You are not mad.

He is more than just a tosspot.

You will be better off without him, I hope you stay strong and leave soon. You deserve so much better.

People will believe you.

Snatchoo · 29/08/2013 17:12

shadow - I feel so sad for you.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but you do know that people break up for no other reason than they just don't love each other anymore? There doesn't have to be an element of assigning blame. It's ok to do that, and it's also ok to not want to share everything (although actually I think it might be good for you to do that, with a trusted friend or two).

Get legal advice, call WA, speak with friends.

overmydeadbody · 29/08/2013 17:13

and until you actually do leave, do not make him another lunch or cooked breakfast or dinner. In fact, don't do anything for him. The bastard.

Can you just get in the car and drive to your mums now?Just leave a note for him saying you are going to visit your mum for a few days. Then do all your research there.

Pawprint · 29/08/2013 17:17

Just read the OP's first post and not the replies, but this man sounds like a cold hearted bully.

It is not normal to treat one's partner with such contempt.

His anger and indifference are not normal. You and your son deserve better.

His drinking is a serious problem.

I really hope you find a better life for you and your child.

I can't believe the way he treated you during your labour and after your section Hmm

His "good" points are pretty scant and, no matter how he comes across to others, he is a cruel and nasty.

Tiredemma · 29/08/2013 17:19

Ive only read the OP.

he is an abusive cunt

Pawprint · 29/08/2013 17:26

Your mum is a bit like my mum - not always thoughtful. She's probably not taking on board what you are saying but women have left partners for reasons that are good but your situation is intolerable.

So he cuddled and bathed his own baby? Big fucking deal. He's still an ignorant and abusive bully and a you deserve better.

summerbreezer · 29/08/2013 18:33

You know, this is why I love Mumsnet. There is a woman who is at rock bottom, who feels like she has nobody in the world.

Yet here there is an army of 50, 100, 150 women saying "you have me".

We believe you, Shadow. We believe that you and DS deserve to be happy.

You have a tough road ahead, but we will be here the whole way.

Stepinstone · 29/08/2013 18:40

You sounded so like me, describing my marriage a few years ago, that I actually checked afterthe first few paras to see if I was reading an old post of mine! Right down to not rubbing my back during labour!!

I left. He's been a total bastard since which just makes me sure I did the right thing.

I'm now with someone else who holds my hands and runs me baths and literally strokes my back for hours and hours in the evenings while talking gently to me. He is the kindest man in the world.

Get out. Build your own life. Find out what you like and don't like. Don't look back. Xxx

Stepinstone · 29/08/2013 18:44

Mine refused to leave and said he would kill himself if I made him leave. So I left. He has shafted me financially though.

No one believes me either. Lots of people thought I was mad to leave. Mine is v successful in his work life. Everyone thinks he's charming.

But I will never regret leaving!!

shadowofmyself · 29/08/2013 19:06

Stepinstone, thank you for sharing. It's reassuring to hear of light at the end of the tunnel. Am currently cuddling my son and still getting the silent treatment.

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KatieScarlett2833 · 29/08/2013 19:09

I believe you shadow. I also believe that you and DS will not only survive but flourish when you are free from this man.

Scarletohello · 29/08/2013 19:11

You are brave and strong. Take your time and make your plan to leave him. Hes not going to change and you and your son are worth more than this. There's a lot of help out there. Use the help and MN to get out and build a better life. Many women have done it and you can too!

FetchezLaVache · 29/08/2013 19:14

Shadow, is the silent treatment the fallout of the washing line incident yesterday morning?

Sawdust · 29/08/2013 19:17

I don't usually post here - others are better qualified to give advice, but what jumped out at me was the fact that you are scared of leaving because this is 'normal'.

That makes sense - I get that. But whatever happens you must be strong and find yourself a new normal that isn't so soul destroying. You sound lovely. Good luck. Thanks

chubbychipmonk · 29/08/2013 19:22

Agree with everyone else I'm afraid. . You really should leave him! He sounds like a total knob!

Easier said than done but really you've wasted too much of your life already on this wanker.

You & your little boy deserve so much more Thanks

angeltattoo · 29/08/2013 19:47

You do not deserve to be treated this way.

You are intelligent, articulate, loving, kind and caring. You are a wonderful mother and will be all your son will ever need. It's ok that until now, you have not realised how bad things are. But you have a son now. Gather your courage and do right by yourself and your baby - you both deserve it. You and your son could be so happy.

I always wish that people in similar situations to you could come and live in my house for a week. If you could see how my DH and I are; equal partners, equal parents, who feel loved and appreciated by each other. No big gestures - just lots of little ones i.e. try not to disturb the other if they are sleeping, bringing them a cup of tea to bed, a hug or kiss in passing, one bathing the baby while the other cooks. Appreciating what the other does, even - no, especially - the mundane things such as emptying the bins.

I can only imagine how scary it must feel to be saying what you are saying out loud - but there is always support, understanding and a hand to hold here.

Be brave - imagine yourself a year down the line, free from him and the obnoxious cloud he hangs over you, happy with your son.

As and for no one else would want you how fucking dare he say that lots of people have been where you are, go on to find happiness alone, and then share that happiness with a deserving partner

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