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Did this woman ask far too much of me? or am I not able to help people if there's nothing in it for me?

18 replies

NotAssertiveOr · 28/08/2013 18:08

I am divorced five years now, acrimonious split, felt quite traumatised and drained by it all. I was broke, so after a year of struggling financially I moved back in with my Mother who was a single mother herself and has been very supportive to us. She babysits the children if I need to be in two places at once, or if I have an appointment. But she's got lots of friends, she goes to the gym and has coffee &/or lunch with her friends or her sisters. So, she doesn't live to mind kids.

My mum introduced me to a neighbouring mother with children in the same classes as my children. This woman's husband is like something from the dark ages . If he has a day off he goes and does something on his own, golf, fishing, visiting his own family for three days without the children but when she visits her family she takes the children so he sits in the house on his own, quite happy!. She has asked me favours over the years and we have been friendly but not friends really. I just don't think we are similar enough and I haven't nurtured the friendship, even though I didn't mind helping her out occasionally.

Recently she asked me to go round to her house because she had the vomiting bug and she needed somebody to feed her kids. She asked me because she knows my mum looks after my children. Very reluctantly I went and looked after her children while my mum looked after my children. I got sick as did one of my children. I did ask 'Can John not come home from work then?'. I knew he wouldn't but I wanted to make that point that she should ask her husband first. she hadn't even asked him.

Then she asked me if I would mind her children when my children were with their father. so, on a day with no kids, I would mind hers? I pointed that out to her, that my own children wouldn't be around to keep her dc company, but she didn't get it. she didn't seem to immediately grasp why that made it a bigger favour to ask. Eventually I said, 'well if I have a child free day I think I'll go and do something fun! have a bottle of champagne". Made a joke of it. She said oh ok of course, but her body language told me she thought I was not very helpful.

Then she asked me to mind her younger son while she took her eldest somewhere. I couldn't help, so Shock she asked me to ask my mother to look after my children so that I could look after hers.

I really don't know if I handled this like an assertive person or like a bitch. I said 'no. because I don't like to ask too many favours of my Mum, I only ask her if I really need her!!'. We then had a bit of a discussion that was tense but not outright rude. I told her the children's father and I were co-operating a lot more now, and kids and I were all looking forward to a fresh start in our new flat! (which is HALF the size of her house and not as nice, but she is not happy for us I suspect).

In my heart I know I did nothing wrong. This woman needs to ask more of her husband, and less of neighbours. But I have this feeling that she is feeling so martyred and hard done by.... because I won't help her!

Ok that was just a bit of a vent. I already feel better. However, our children are in the same classes and I'm dreading seeing her every day for the next year!!

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NotAssertiveOr · 28/08/2013 18:10

ps, I have never ever commented on her husband or on her marriage even though I think he's a lazy entitled caveman.

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pictish · 28/08/2013 18:13

You did well to nip ot in the bud - that's all I can say!
You'd have ended up with her kids all the fucking time if you hadn't.

Who the fuck asks someone to get their mother to mind their kids, so they are available to childmind someone else's?!

Pisstaker. Be cordial and pleasant to her - do NOT babysit for her again.

NotAssertiveOr · 28/08/2013 18:16
Grin

I am the lucky one now, I'm dreading seeing her at the school but at least I know she won't ask me favours. I'm off her Christmas card list. Other innocents had better beware. I am going to just say a cheery bland hi but not chat.

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JaxTellerIsAllMine · 28/08/2013 18:18

I think you have done well - but you dont have to explain WHY you cant do it. Just yes you can help out or no you cant.

I used to have a friend who would say "what you doing on ... day/morning/evening" and I used to say "nothing, why?" low and behold it was to dog/cat/child sit. I soon learned to say "not sure, will need to check my diary when I get home, why whats on?" If it suited me/DH Id do it, if not then I just said no, I was busy. It was a total piss take of my time, my energy, my time with MY DC and my DH.

purplewithred · 28/08/2013 18:19

You were very reasonable.

Walkacrossthesand · 28/08/2013 18:19

Well done. She sounds like one of life's pisstakers, it's completely unreasonable of her to ask the things of you that she is doing - she's not even really a friend FFS! Rest assured that if you had agreed to anything after the first one she would have presumed you were on tap whenever it suited her.

pictish · 28/08/2013 18:19

That's the way, yup.

I have encountered similar myself so know of what you speak. I had to be brave and say "no can do - I hope you find someone though!" before beating a hasty retreat. Several times.
Feels good to assert yourself, no?

cozietoesie · 28/08/2013 18:22

As pictish said, you did well. I'm only surprised she hasn't posted on MN yet with a husband like that.

AdoraBell · 28/08/2013 18:23

Asking way too much, Well done and don't get dragged in.

NotAssertiveOr · 28/08/2013 18:26

Jax, it was like that, she'd ask you what you were doing and then stand there considering your response, it was like she was the judge of whether or not that was a good excuse or not.

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NotAssertiveOr · 28/08/2013 18:27

Cozie, I think it's weird that she's very assertive asking for help from females but won't ask or demand that her own husband steps up. He is as nice as pie but a lazy fucker. Childcare s for wimmen.

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CharityFunDay · 28/08/2013 18:29

She was being a bit cheeky, although I doubt it seems that way from her perspective. Her husband is an arse, and should be helping out more, but how you could communicate this to her without causing offence, I don't know.

oldgrandmama · 28/08/2013 18:36

Well done - she is definitely taking the piss and why the hell should you ask your mum to take care of your kids so that you can take care of hers - ridiculous. You've made me feel better in a sort of similar situation - pushy neighbour asking me to do something involving supervising work on her house that she booked when she bloody well knew she wouldn't be there that day! I said 'no' too and she's all hurt ... tough!

NotAssertiveOr · 28/08/2013 18:38

Question: What are you doing?

answer "not sure, why? what's on?"

I like that. Brilliant, thank you. I always feel a bit cornered when I'm asked what I'm doing!

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Optimist1 · 28/08/2013 18:40

You handled it well, OP. But be warned that she's probably got her eye on your mother for childcare once you're installed in your lovely new home!!

Owllady · 28/08/2013 18:46

I think you have done well as well
bizarrely I have a severely disabled child and other children and I still get people who think they can put on me and I am an explainer as well. I think they see us coming tbh Hmm

As you get older I think you get a bit better at saying NO! :)

Pilgit · 28/08/2013 21:28

she is certainly coming across as a pisstaker but I am going to give her the benefit of the doubt and think maybe she just needs a break. The way she is going about it is completely wrong and focused at the wrong people. If her husband is such a caveman/tosspot he isn't going to give her a break or any time off and she sounds like she is desperate for some. It is not your responsibility and you did the right thing!

JaxTellerIsAllMine · 29/08/2013 07:47

It took me a while but I got there! Grin I agree as you get older its easier to say no. After the first time you say NO and mean it it gets easier. Promise.

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