Meet the Other Phone. Protection built in.

Meet the Other Phone.
Protection built in.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families

999 replies

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 23/08/2013 16:00

Thread opener here: webaunty.co.uk/mumsnet/
You may need to right-click and 'unblock' it after downloading it.

It's August 2013, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010
March 2011
November 2011
January 2012
November 2012
January 2013
March 2013

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.


Welcome to the Stately Homes Thread.

This is a long running thread which was originally started up by 'pages' see original thread here (December 2007)

So this thread originates from that thread and has become a safe haven for Adult children of abusive families.

One thing you will never hear on this thread is that your abuse or experience was not that bad. You will never have your feelings minimised the way they were when you were a child, or now that you are an adult. To coin the phrase of a much respected past poster Ally90;

'Nobody can judge how sad your childhood made you, even if you wrote a novel on it, only you know that. I can well imagine any of us saying some of the seemingly trivial things our parents/ siblings did to us to many of our real life acquaintances and them not understanding why we were upset/ angry/ hurt etc. And that is why this thread is here. It's a safe place to vent our true feelings, validate our childhood/ lifetime experiences of being hurt/ angry etc by our parents behaviour and to get support for dealing with family in the here and now.'

Most new posters generally start off their posts by saying; but it wasn't that bad for me or my experience wasn't as awful as x,y or z's. 

Some on here have been emotionally abused and/ or physically abused. Some are not sure what category (there doesn't have to be any) they fall into.

NONE of that matters. What matters is how 'YOU' felt growing up, how 'YOU' feel now and a chance to talk about how and why those childhood experiences and/ or current parental contact, has left you feeling damaged, falling apart from the inside out and stumbling around trying to find your sense of self-worth. 

You might also find the following links and information useful, if you have come this far and are still not sure whether you belong here or not.

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0553814826/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0553814826&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1834279-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">'Toxic Parents' by Susan Forward.</a>

I started with this book and found it really useful.

Here are some excerpts:

"Once you get going, most toxic parents will counterattack. After all, if they had the capacity to listen, to hear, to be reasonable, to respect your feelings, and to promote your independence, they wouldn't be toxic parents. They will probably perceive your words as treacherous personal assaults. They will tend to fall back on the same tactics and defences that they have always used, only more so.

Remember, the important thing is not their reaction but your response. If you can stand fast in the face of your parents' fury, accusations, threats and guilt-peddling, you will experience your finest hour.

Here are some typical parental reactions to confrontation:

"It never happened". Parents who have used denial to avoid their own feelings of inadequacy or anxiety, will undoubtedly use it during confrontation, to promote their version of reality. They'll insist that your allegations never happened, or that you're exaggerating. They won't remember, or they will accuse you of lying.

YOUR RESPONSE: Just because you don't remember, doesn't mean it didn't happen".

"It was your fault." Toxic parents are almost never willing to accept responsibility for their destructive behaviour. Instead, they will blame you. They will say that you were bad, or that you were difficult. They will claim that they did the best that they could but that you always created problems for them. They will say that you drove them crazy. They will offer as proof, the fact that everybody in the family knew what a problem you were. They will offer up a laundry list of your alleged offences against them.

YOUR RESPONSE: "You can keep trying to make this my fault, but I'm not going to accept the responsibility for what you did to me, when I was a child".

"I said I was sorry what more do you want?" Some parents may acknowledge a few of the things that you say but be unwilling to do anything about it.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I appreciate your apology, but that is just a beginning. If you're truly sorry, you'll work through this with me, to make a better relationship."

"We did the best we could." Some parents will remind you of how tough they had it while you were growing up and how hard they struggled. They will say such things as "You'll never understand what I was going through," or "I did the best I could". This particular style of response will often stir up a lot of sympathy and compassion for your parents. This is understandable, but it makes it difficult for you to remain focused on what you need to say in your confrontation. The temptation is for you once again to put their needs ahead of your own. It is important that you be able to acknowledge their difficulties, without invalidating your own.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I understand that you had a hard time, and I'm sure that you didn't hurt me on purpose, but I need you to understand that the way you dealt with your problems really did hurt me"

"Look what we did for you." Many parents will attempt to counter your assertions by recalling the wonderful times you had as a child and the loving moments you and they shared. By focusing on the good things, they can avoid looking at the darker side of their behaviour. Parents will typically remind you of gifts they gave you, places they took you, sacrifices they made for you, and thoughtful things they did. They will say things like, "this is the thanks we get" or "nothing was ever enough for you."

YOUR RESPONSE: "I appreciate those things very much, but they didn't make up for ...."

"How can you do this to me?" Some parents act like martyrs. They'll collapse into tears, wring their hands, and express shock and disbelief at your "cruelty". They will act as if your confrontation has victimized them. They will accuse you of hurting them, or disappointing them. They will complain that they don't need this, they have enough problems. They will tell you that they are not strong enough or healthy enough to take this, that the heartache will kill them. Some of their sadness will, of course, be genuine. It is sad for parents to face their own shortcomings, to realise that they have caused their children significant pain. But their sadness can also be manipulative and controlling. It is their way of using guilt to try to make you back down from the confrontation.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I'm sorry you're upset. I'm sorry you're hurt. But I'm not willing to give up on this. I've been hurting for a long time, too."

Helpful Websites

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alice Miller</a>

<a class="break-all" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Personality Disorders definition</a>

More helpful links:

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Daughters of narcissistic mothers</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://outofthefog.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Out of the FOG</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9408_a.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">You carry the cure in your own heart</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.havoca.org/HAVOCA_home.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Help for adult children of child abuse</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.pete-walker.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Pete Walker</a>

Some books:

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0749910542/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0749910542&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1834279-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Homecoming</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1439129436/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1439129436&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1834279-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Will I ever be good enough?</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0060929324/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0060929324&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1834279-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">If you had controlling parents</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0385304234/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0385304234&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1834279-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">When you and your mother can't be friends</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1572245611/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1572245611&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1834279-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Children of the self-absorbed</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0671701355/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0671701355&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1834279-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Recovery of your inner child</a>

This final quote is from smithfield posting as therealsmithfield: 

"I'm sure the other posters will be along shortly to add anything they feel I have left out. I personally don't claim to be sorted but I will say my head has become a helluva lot straighter since I started posting here. You will receive a lot of wisdom but above all else the insights and advice given will 'always' be delivered with warmth and support."

Happy Posting
OP posts:
Meery · 01/10/2013 18:14

Triangulation. Yes. So describes the dynamic between me, dm and dsis.

Hissy · 01/10/2013 19:01

happy oh i've had "i"m distraught as your mother" which doesn't make any sense tbh!

Ignore the emails, delete them without reading them, ignore all calls.

Only allow them access IF they treat you with respect/consideration and care.

They won't, so accept you're better off without their poison in your lives and get on with living the best you can,

Hissy · 01/10/2013 19:04

Meant to say, it'll get worse before it gets better, but Fuck it, just ride it out, you know you're in the right!

happystory · 01/10/2013 20:04

Thank you, it's unbelievable that there's a script for this kind of thing, you think that your own situation is a one off. But it makes me feel better that it's not me imagining things or exaggerating....

pumpkinsweetie · 01/10/2013 21:26

Triangulation, i can really sympathise with that. Dh is constantly got the mil & sil on his case, if one can't be heard, the other one will shout louder iyswim and normally one of them wins!

I don't know what is going on with dh but i have my suspicions, he has lied before. I hate that it that they cause my mistrustConfused. He has told me none of them have contacted me, but from checking his phone it shows mil phoned him yesterday and already i have heard him on phone today and admitted such- he denied speaking to anybody.

They are working their magic again, although he has been helping me with the garden etc he has snapped at me all day. Simple stuff my fault, such as not washing his favourite jeans & telling me how to do things right re the children although i'm the one that stays at home whilst he is workingConfused. Just some examples.

SlowlyGoingRoundTheBend · 01/10/2013 22:23

Well I read 'Will I Ever Be Good Enough' from start to finish last night so am knackered today (along with DC4 getting up at 5am again!!) and it is a really useful book.

My childhood was a bit more 'extreme' than the examples in the book so a bit hard to relate but the writer is totally on the mark. The emptiness described is something that has bugged me for years as I could not understand where it came from Sad. The 'feeling the pain' part of the healing process I am finding hard though as it means accepting my childhood and sometimes it is so much easier to accept that I AM the crazy one and I HAVE imagined it all as crazy as that sounds.

I have a day where I will be at home alone tomorrow so I intend to draw the curtains, try and cry, and bash some pillows.

I have realised that what I REALLY want is to have my mother and father sit opposite me at a table while I tell them how their decisions impacted me and how I felt and still feel, ow afraid I was, how lonely and ask my mother what I did to deserve her hatred apart from being 'his' daughter, and ask my father how could he just leave me without looking back. I have more chance of winning the lottery than that happening though. They have had no contact for 35 years, will never even say each other's name, would rather die than get together to help ME. That's the sad truth.

My mother finally deigned to answer a text I sent her 3 weeks ago telling her that I missed her and wanted to move on from our long drawn out confrontation (at a time when I was feeling extremely low about it all having been left out of TWO siblings weddings) and wants to meet to 'sort this out so it does not come up again'. I am afraid I am of the mind to tell her to fuck the fuck off and when she gets there to fuck off some more.

Hissy summed it up completely: 'We go through the agony, the fear of confrontation, finding the bravery to dig deep and stand up for ourselves.
And when it's done... we're lost and alone.

Hissy · 01/10/2013 22:54

This is not all we are tho love, we're destined for happiness, somehow! We just have to find it in ourselves.

We are not the person they want us to be for them.

We have a choice to behave as we wish. We can't change the choices of others, but likewise they can't make US change, unless we allow them to!

Hissy · 01/10/2013 22:58

I'm alone, just me and my boy.

It's been a shit load worse than this though.

Somehow I fume at the fact of who I was, and how much i've lost.

But I have gained clarity, truth, freedom, insight and wisdom. I'm able to protect myself and my darling boy.

That'll do for now, the rest will follow...

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 02/10/2013 08:09

Hi ladies

Just lurking at the moment as life is really busy. My car has turned into a money pit lately and my Mum and therefore Dad too, have offered to buy me a new car. Ambivalent at this but also desperate as my car has cost me £1,500 this year so far. As a lone parent on a part time income, I'm desperate. I've spoken to my Dad twice by phone in the last week after not talking for at least 18 months. It's all very strange. I'm feeling a bit conflicted tbh.

I'll try and catch up on here later.

OP posts:
Meery · 02/10/2013 19:08

Thanks Hissy you have got it spot on regarding my dm disregarding my choice regarding this visit of hers. Speaking with her on the phone tonight she denies being invited for last weekend and denies that we told her we had plans for this.

Unfortunately
a) the reason we had for being unavailable has disappeared
b) my dh is going to see my dsis and hence dm tomorrow night and would have invited her for the whole weekend.

So I have agreed she can come Sunday.

Hissy · 02/10/2013 21:49

Well fine, but it's still working on YOUR terms isn't it, and that's the main point.

You know what went on here. Next time you'll not be do floored by it.

Well done! Charge up your mobile for Sunday and post from the loo if you have to! :D

PuddingAndHotMilk · 03/10/2013 02:52

Can I join in? I've only read the last few days of posts and I'm not sure I 'belong' here but I'll see if you think I do. You see, I worry I'll be the toxic Mum Coffeespoons describes. Sad

My Mum passed away last year and I didn't like her very much. I wasn't hugged or held as a child. I don't remember her playing with me at all and my parents expectations (last child of 4) were immense. I was a constant disappointment, attention seeker yada yada. I had no support through some very difficult times in my childhood and looked so hard for affection I ended up being gang raped at 11 as I went looking in the wrong places.

I sometimes struggle to express non-positive emotion or feeling in an appropriate way, as I wasn't allowed to express then at all at home and was sent to my room to calm down. I am oversensitive and constantly second guess myself. I struggle to express my needs but get upset if they're not met. I'm a pleaser but then get frustrated if it's not reciprocated. I hate how I am sometimes - childish and petulant. I'm now a mum to an utterly gorgeous 9week old DD and am terrified. I had such issues with my parents and am so scared I'm going to fuck DD up even more...

coffeespoons · 03/10/2013 08:09

You know, I don't mean to be mean about my mum, she's not as bad as some of the people described on here. She definitely has a few traits. I felt loved as a child though, still feel loved when I am in child role. And I love her and my dad. He did teach me courage and self-reliance. I think the main thing I'd want her to change is just to be a bit self aware, just a bit, of how self absorbed she is.

I have 'caught' growing up the tendency to be childish for attention, to get upset when not looked after (while in my case hating it at the same time because I don't feel independent enough - I have a disability which does not help this). I did have terrible issues with not being able to control anger which over the last few years I have developed control over and can now take a deep breath and think, or walk away to calm down. Pudding I think self awareness, that terror and desire to be better is the crucial thing. I have found both CBT and counselling helped me to be more self-reliant and take responsibility for my own bad moods, which helped considerably. I think what happens with toxic parents is they lose the self-awareness and desire to work on themselves. I have to reassure my mum all the time that she is a good parent, but she doesn't work on controlling her behaviour or show awareness of what she is doing, it's just a response she has to any disagreeement between us.

mamabear35 · 04/10/2013 17:35

Hi everyone,
I'm a long time lurker but have never had the courage to write on this thread. I find it so hard and yet so comforting when reading about all of your experiences that I'm not the only one. In my case I've always blamed my dad's emotional and violent physical abuse on our culture...and my mum's enabling - a symptom of that. You've all really opened my eyes.

Recently it's been getting harder to cope. I have two adorable and amazing DD's and I'm terrified of putting them through the same crap I've always dealt with. Bad behaviour has been so normalised in my parents house that I HAVE to keep reminding myself that abusive behaviour is not OK! Right now I'm talking about shouting at the girls when I'm stressed, tired or frustrated and I'm terrified that I'll lose control one day. I don't want to get help when it's too late. My girls are 4 and 2 and I know I need to do something now. Ideally I think I want to talk through things with someone and just learn that it's OK. That what I went through is gone and it's right to feel bad about it all. That actually I won't be damaged forever, it is reversible. But I don't know how to go about getting the help I need. Who and what do I ask for? If anyone is going through counselling and could point me in the right direction I'd really appreciate it.

sashh · 05/10/2013 09:15

Mama

You sound like you are having a rough time, I had some counseling as a student and also learned some EFT (Emotional Freedom Technique) it sounds like hippy tree hugging therapy but has helped me a lot. Talk to your GP, lots seem to have psychologists attached one day a week.

At the moment, for me, a lot of things are coming up because my mum is terminally ill, so I'm torn between thinking it will be over soon and thinking this is my last chance to say to her what she did and how it has affected my life.

GoodtoBetter · 05/10/2013 14:07

That must be very hard sashh. :( so many conflicting emotions.

mamabear35 · 05/10/2013 15:25

Oh sassh I'm sorry that must be hard. How would you feel if she died and you hadn't had it out with her? Would you regret it do you think or would you be grateful that you didn't have to deal with the associated drama? If you do talk about it with her would it also give you the chance to forgive her and maybe get some closure?
I had it out with my dad a few months ago - and initially he did the classic thing of denying any hardship - followed by my favourite 'I don't understand why you're so upset - I ever had it so good' etc. It was cathartic and very upsetting and I'm glad I got to tell him many things that I wanted to get off my chest. But it also made me very angry and outraged at his reaction. But having said all that I'm working towards forgiving him so that I can move on. I want to be the best version of myself I can be without my childhood dragging me back. We owe it to ourselves.

justanothergirl · 05/10/2013 22:04

This is my first post on this thread. I have posted in other boards under different names, and some people suggested I look here for some support.

I have very controlling parents. I am 24, have a degree and a full time job, yet my parents still treat me like a child. I’m so frustrated and tired of the situation, I don’t know what to do. We are a traditional Jewish family, and many of the things my parents expect are simply not common in modern society, and I feel like I don’t fit in. If I don’t do what my parents want, I am told to go to my room (yes, really!) and am not allowed food until I apologise.

My parents are of the opinion that the child does as the parent says when they are living under their roof. Also that you don’t move out until you either marry or can afford to buy a property. Relationships with non-Jews are strictly forbidden, and sex and living together before marriage are not accepted. I have other Jewish friends who have far more liberal parents who have accepted that times have changed, but my parents are stuck in a controlling time warp.

I am the scapegoat of the family, always blamed when there is a problem. I do not have a good relationship with my sister (explained more below) and I am constantly told that I am a nasty and intolerant person, even though it is more of a personality clash, reinforced by our statuses within the family.

My younger sister has SN (a learning disability with some symptoms similar to Aspergers, combined with language difficulties). She is the golden child of the family. There are a couple of reasons I believe may be the cause of this:

  1. She has SN, therefore anything she ever did wrong was never wrong, it was just part of her SN. Any time I was upset with something my sister did, I was told I was nasty, jealous of my sister, and I needed to be more tolerant.
  2. She is the youngest child, and the baby of the family. I am the second and middle child, and my parents constantly berate me, telling me that I have “middle child syndrome” I do have another older sister, who was not treated in this way.
  3. She is a talented musician. My mother (who is the main controller of the family) is a music teacher. I am naturally relatively musical, although I never had the patience to stick with a musical instrument, however compared to my sister I am unmusical and therefore untalented.

I am a very bright, naturally academic person, who always got very high marks in school. However, to avoid upsetting my sister, my efforts were rarely acknowledged. My younger sister on the other hand was praised for all her academic and musical achievements.

My older sister and I are expected to take responsibility for my younger sister when my parents can no longer look after her. I don’t feel this should be my responsibility, but my parents say this is just my nasty behaviour and intolerance to my sister with SN. I have a cousin with severe physical disabilities, who will always be dependent. My parents have always said how his brothers should never be responsible for looking after him, that it is his parents’ responsibility to find suitable care when they can no longer look after him. So it is ironic that they expect this of my older sister and me.

I have always done everything I could to try and please my mum and get her to like me more, despite that my younger sister is, and will always be the favourite (the golden child). It is therefore no surprise that I have ended up as a teacher, like my mum (albeit in a different subject).

I am currently working extremely hard in my new job as a teacher, trying to complete my NQT. My parents constantly complain that I am not going out and socialising enough, in order to meet a Jewish boy and give them grandchildren. They have nothing but praise for my younger sister who is supposed to be studying music at university (but does so little practice she failed last year and is re-sitting the year) because she has a boyfriend (for a couple of months). I understand that they are happy she is in a relationship, and I am happy for her too, but I wish they would recognise my hard work and achievements too.

My sister and I are such polar opposites, I spend most of my time working hard, she spends her time socialising instead of working, so it is hardly surprising that we don’t get on. I wish my parents would just accept that right now I am simply working hard and focussing on my teaching career, and therefore do not have the time to go out socialising right now.

My parents always consider themselves to have given my sisters and I great opportunities by allowing us to study whatever subject we wanted. However, although my parents were not fussy about the subjects we studied, they were very insistent that we go to one of only about 6 different universities in the country. Although they did not force us, the constant remarks were enough to put anyone off. When I dared to put down an unapproved university on my UCAS form, my parents’ response was “Well of course you wouldn’t want to go there, it’s just a back-up.” I never even got to attend the open day or interview, as my parents talked me out of it (by that time I had offers from 5 other universities, and didn’t need a back-up).

When I got a place at university, I really wanted to stay in halls with all the other students. However, my parents decided that I should go to a religious Jewish hall of residence, which I hated. They were prepared to withdraw their support unless I agreed to live in the accommodation of their choice. “If you go into halls and don’t like it don’t come crying to us because it was your own fault.”

I was miserable there, and developed clinical depression and ended up on antidepressants. I didn’t tell my parents for months, so they wouldn’t have to worry, and I think I was also worried about shaming them. In my second year, the depression got worse and I seriously considered taking half a year out to recover, followed by retaking. However, to avoid shaming them, I struggled through. When I graduated, my parents disapproved of my decision to stay away from home to complete my PGCE, so withdrew all their funding and support.

My parents often remind me of how much money they have spent on me (private school and university), and the assumption is that I must be grateful for everything that they have done, and therefore do as they say whilst I am under their roof.

Many people have asked me why I don’t just move out. The reason is that I cannot afford to buy yet, and my parents are very anti-renting. They tell me that it is a waste of money. My parents are very conditional with the support they offer, and I would not have their support if I went against their wishes. Going against their wishes would be seen as dishonouring and shaming them.

I wish I could see a way out of this situation, but I can’t. I just need some support.

GoodtoBetter · 06/10/2013 06:47

Justanothergirl...I know you'll say it's impossible but you need to move out. I understand the feeling of paralysis... I have been there. I lived with my mother and felt I could not leave but I had to and did in the end. so they are anti renting? So? It is your life..not theirs. Find a place to rent...move out and some distance between you and them. Xx

AttilaTheMeerkat · 06/10/2013 08:15

Justanothergirl,

There is always a way out!. You need to move out and pronto. Rent somewhere, anywhere would be better than staying under the roof of your family's dysfunctional unit where you are really not wanted.

If you are a teacher then you may well be in a teaching union as well. If you are you should be able to access further help and support that way too.

It is NOT your fault they are this way; both your parents were likely raised as children by similarly minded abusive parents as well.

Toxic parents as well more often than not make for being toxic grandparents as well. They will not be good grandparents.

You are and always have been unfairly the scapegoat for all their inherent ills; controlling you like they have done and continue to do is abusive behaviour. Abusive behaviour cuts across all classes and creeds; it is really no respecter of persons.

I would also suggest you read "If you had controlling parents" written by Dr Dan Neuharth; Amazon could send it to an address other than your current home one. Reading the resources at the start of this thread could well be helpful to you as well.

sashh · 06/10/2013 08:26

justanothergirl

Move out - you can do it. Conditional support is no real support so don't worry about that.

I too am supposed to be grateful for things I didn't want/ask for/ have a choice in.

mamabear35 and GoodtoBetter

I think I have decided to let it go to the grave with her. My father adores her and my brother is the golden child so saying something may well break up the family, not that they see much of me anyway.

Hissy · 06/10/2013 13:27

"I wish I could see a way out of this situation, but I can’t. I just need some support."

justanothergirl what you actually mean to say here is

"I wish I could see a way out of this situation that would please/be acceptable to my parents, but I can’t. I just need some support."

My love, you can't win here, so why even play the game?

Whatever you do will make you fall foul of them, even if you stick rigidly to their rules, you run the risk of them not getting their 'kick the puppy' feed and they'll invent a reason to be off with you.

Your depression will only get worse, the longer you prevent yourself from living as you need to be.

I know how excruciating it is for you to entertain, but you HAVE to leave this tyranny.

What this is setting you up for is more of the same, you will end up looking for and finding a man that will carry on where they left off. Your only chance in life is to strike out on your own, and let the chips fall where they may.

You have education, a profession and you have a desire to live well, so get on with it.

Could you approach a synagogue for advice?

Your parents are fools, any decent parent would be proud of your achievements.

Hissy · 06/10/2013 13:37

Update from me: I have ordered Toxic Parents AND Why you and your mother can't be friends.

Following on from the 'Disappointed' text, I have ignored and ignored calls weekly. They are getting slightly MORE frequent in that they were sunday, then it slipped to Saturday, then Friday, now earlier and earlier on Friday. Two calls on friday, 2 messages (both deleted without listening)

I got another call today, to the house, so on loud speaker. left a message that sounded emotional, trying to drag my DS into this as well. it made me FUME!

I asked for space. No.
I asked for understanding of the hurt. No.
I asked for thought as to what she had done. Again No.

I have stated that I won't be treated badly by a soul again, and that I won't engage with those that hurt me/my son and refuse to acknowledge it.
I have said that I won't entertain emotional blackmail.

I'd say I've been clear. My thoughts, feelings and boundaries don't seem to have been considered again.

So I won't answer the calls. I will put No Number Barring back on my house phone again now, and if this doesn't stop, my numbers will change in the new year.

What pisses me off, is that the more flaming obvious it is that I'm pissed off, for the exact reasons I said I was pissed off at the very beginning, the MORE deeply she seems to stick her head in the sand.

differentnameforthis · 06/10/2013 14:13

Can I just say that I can't believe this is still going. I was on the original thread with pages (under a different guise) and I don't think anyone at that time thought it would last & become this big.

I am not sure if pages is still around, but I think I can speak for both of us when I say that I am pleased so many are still benefiting from it.

I wish you all lots of luck!

Hissy · 06/10/2013 15:15

As long as there are parents, there will be shitty parents.

With a bit of luck, threads like these can break the cycle and our own kids can begin the line of healthy parenting by example.

Look at the Emotional Abuse thread... I was on the first one of those and that will be a MN staple too. Sad that it needs to be, but by god it's a life line for those that need it! Most of them there end up here too, as Abusive parents and DV are often linked.

different if you notice, this thread fills up faster than before, and doesn't fall off the page either. It's needed. Thanks for being there to set it up in the first place. It's so empowering to know that actually it ISN'T us!

Smile Thanks Cake

Swipe left for the next trending thread