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Dh said he wants to leave me because I'm a domestic nazi (sorry long and petty)

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AlmightyMess · 23/08/2013 10:40

Have name changed as lots of personal information here.

Dh fell out last night, then it carried on this morning.

The situation in our house is like this. We have a small shop, Dh works 6 days a week and can do long stretches without a day off. He leaves the house at 8am when he's dropping dc at school/nursery (2-3 times a week, 10 if not) and doesn't get back till almost 8 at night.

I am meant to work in the shop 2 days a week, but during the holidays I have only been in once every three weeks (childcare is too expensive).

Dh has worked incredibly hard to keep the shop going through the recession, I respect him allot for this. It has been very stressful and he has fallen in and out of depression with the weight of it all. He will not go to the doctor as he thinks he can pull himself out of it.

I do the majority of housework and childcare. I get up almost every morning with the kids at 6-6.30. I cook 6 nights a week and do all the kids meals unless I'm working. My house is not a pristine palace, I barely hold it together to get everyone out the door fed and dressed in clean clothes. I know this is how most people are so I don't expect a medal.

What I would like is a little bit of help with the housework. I'm happy to do all the washing and most of the cleaning. Dh does do general tidying and will sweep kitchen floor, hoover occasionally. He will also do DIY stuff when he has time.

I do like to go to bed knowing that the kitchen is clean for the kids getting up in the morning. I don't want it all bleached and perfect, just the dishes done (put away preferably, but not necessary), any beer bottle put away and counters to have no food on them.

I made dinner last night. We sat down together, dh asked me if I'd like to have sex that night and I said yes. I asked him if he'd tidy the kitchen and he said yes, then he called me a domestic nazi. I said that wasn't fair and he said it was a joke. He finished his meal then went next door to watch tv. I was still eating, I thought that was rude and I wondered why he wasn't cleaning up.

I then ran around getting the kids stuff ready for school. At about 10ish I asked dh if he planned on doing the kitchen as it was getting late. He asked if it needed to be done right now and I said as long as it's done before we go to bed as I hate getting up to rotting food on the counters, dishes and beer bottles.

He then went to the bedroom to wait for me. I went in and he asked why I seemed uptight. I said I can't switch off knowing I'm going to get up to that mess in the kitchen. He had a huge strop, went off to do the dishes and then wouldn't talk to me, then went to sleep on the couch.

This morning we fell out and he says I'm neurotic and uptight about everything. He said he pays all the bills and I reminded him that looking after his children is a full time job that he would have to pay someone to do it if I didn't. He said he would do the dishes but didn't want to have to live to my rules. Apparently I want everything done the way I want it, when I want it.

He shouted completely inappropriate things in front of the kids, like how he works 12 hours a day and do I want him to go kill himself. He said he was leaving but has since emailed me work to do today (that I asked for).

I am exhausted, one friend tells me I am neurotic but her dh is the same and doesn't do the housework she asks him to do. She thinks my situation is normal and I should just live with it if I want to keep a happy family.

My other friend, who I haven't told about any of these issue thinks I work too hard as I don't have any leisure time and dh takes the piss.

Sorry this is so long and sounds so petty but I really don't have any time to myself and I should be able to ask my dh to do a small bit of housework without all this anger.

Am I being petty and neurotic? Is this situation normal, do most women feel like a servant to their families?

OP posts:
blueshoes · 23/08/2013 14:46

OP, if your dh does not do a stick of housework during the week, I can understand how that makes you feel taken for a skivvy granted.

Does he help out at all over the weekends?

Offred · 23/08/2013 14:49

work is work whether it is paid employment or looking after children/family and a home. Being paid doesn't mean you are more important than your partner who is unpaid.

Offred · 23/08/2013 14:50

(and importantly being unpaid doesn't mean you don't get tired where being paid means you do)

AlmightyMess · 23/08/2013 14:52

Such a mixed bag of answers and I am taking it all in. I really did want to hear if I was expecting too much for him to do the dishes occasionally. I honestly don't stop during the day, I've watched 3 hours of tv in the last 2 months. This is the first time I've been on here for weeks and I should be doing other things now. Maybe I'm just crap at getting stuff done.

I try and do something with ds most mornings otherwise he gets bored it's impossible to do anything when he's in an over hyped mood. He is getting better and will play by himself for short periods.

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dreamingbohemian · 23/08/2013 14:54

Offred, I don't think all the replies are because people equate housework with low value. It's just that if he is physically not at home 10-12 hours a day, 6 days a week, then he's not going to be doing much of it. And it doesn't sound like he's refusing to do anything, he tidies during the week and does the childcare on his one day off.

Could he do a bit more? Yes, obviously. But I think ultimately it's not a very sustainable situation overall. I don't think doing the dishes every night is going to make either of them less exhausted or more happy.

somersethouse · 23/08/2013 14:55

Offred of course you are right - but my point is BOTH Jobs need to be done when running a home and raising a family. The OP has her job to do, but seems resentful doing it.

Her DH does his fair share in my opinión. It is just my opinión and was asked for and I am giving it.

I also think her DH does more tan just the paid work, she has said he does the school run and hoovering sometimes and sweeping the floor.

somersethouse · 23/08/2013 14:56

x posts with dreaming she put it better than me.
Sorry for tipos, I can't switch off my Spanish autocorrect Smile

justanuthermanicmumsday · 23/08/2013 14:57

No Almighty everyone is different. One of my sis in laws is just slow paced at everything she's not lazy that's just part of her personality. She can't multi task stresses her out. Other women can work faster and do multiple tasks together and have time to relax. I get most my big chores out the way in the morning in the afternoon I get to spend a bit of time with the little ones before the older two get in. So don't beat yourself up I'm sure you are doing the best you can.

maybe save up for a dishwasher I wouldn't do without it now.

You could talk to him about how you feel taking is good but I'm rubbish at that. I bite my lip and carry on. Tis life I reckon we'll always find faults with one another.

AlmightyMess · 23/08/2013 14:58

Do you know, if he'd said he was too tired to do the dishes, I would've done them and none of this would have come up.

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larrygrylls · 23/08/2013 14:58

I tend to think that whoever cooks should also do the dishes, as it encourages one to cook tidily. When I cook (which is most of the time) there are never that many dishes, even for a Sunday roast, as I continuously wash and clean in between cooking tasks. There is nothing worse than a mountain of pots and pans to look forward to after dinner.

To me, it sounds as if the OP does a little less than her husband in total, although it is not entirely clear as they both work very hard. They should just both help one another clear up immediately after dinner, assuming that the OP has cooked reasonable tidily. It is quite social and would not take more than a few minutes.

This whole thread is so petty, really, it is an argument over what? At most 30 man minutes of work.

On a slightly different matter, I do wonder if the shop is really a viable business. If you have to put that many hours into it and it cannot even pay for a cleaner a few hours a week, maybe it would be a good idea to sell it and for the OP's husband to get a full time job and the OP a part time job?

mynewpassion · 23/08/2013 14:59

And he does diy on his day off and cook once a week.

Sometimes both people need to understand that putting off non urgent housework until the next day is ok once in awhile. Don't be so rigid.

clam · 23/08/2013 15:04

He wasn't working until 10pm and then being expected to do the washing up. He got up from the table (while the OP was still eating) having put in an order for sex later and watched TV until 10, whilst the OP was running around doing chores. Then he attempted to call in the sex part. And wondered why he was pissed off??!!

somersethouse · 23/08/2013 15:07

Just leave the bloody dishes until the morning - honestly Grin

AlmightyMess · 23/08/2013 15:07

Larrygrylls, I do cook and tidy as I go along, there was literally a few dishes to do. It is incredibly petty, I know, but it's turned into an almighty fight about who earns the money and childcare / housework not being a job.

I don't want to be a skivvy and look after a man in the way I look after my children. I want him to do the dishes a couple of times a week, thats it. His shop is his first love and won't give it up unless he's forced, I love him so much and I want to help him make it work. It was hugely successful before the recession and we lived a good life then. But it crashed and it's building again slowly, I think he can get it back to where it was. I want to help him get it back, I've retrained to do work that will help. I would go get a job elsewhere but that wouldn't help the shop.

I am happy doing the things I do, I just think he should clean up after himself occasionally (like the dishes a couple of times a week).

OP posts:
AlmightyMess · 23/08/2013 15:09

Fuck it's so petty sounding.

OP posts:
mynewpassion · 23/08/2013 15:10

Because it is petty.

IWipeArses · 23/08/2013 15:12

I don't think you're wrong, weighing up everything you've said. You work two days a week, you've usually got a three year old, you start your working day at 6.30 and don't finish til after he's eaten and is relaxing.
Do you iron his clothes?

somersethouse · 23/08/2013 15:12

Well OP, half of us think you are in the wrong and half in the right so it is up to you isn't it?

I think you have bigger issues here - I don't think you approve of 'the shop' I also think you need to cut him some slack for both your sakes.

Saying 'skivvy' is silly. Does he says he is being a 'skivvy' while he earns money for your family during the day?

You are being mean, you really are. You also should time manage more, as one child at home and 'you don't stop' is just odd.

blueshoes · 23/08/2013 15:12

I agree with larry.

For the medium to long term, there can be efficiencies to be gained if both OP and her dh review their lives and how they are structuring their jobs and tasks.

larrygrylls · 23/08/2013 15:14

Almighty,

I am really torn here. You seem to view his dishes as "his" to deal with, as opposed to part of your job as a (partially, at least) stay at home mother. You probably see him doing it as a nod to recognising how hard you work to make a home for him and help him in his business endeavour. He, on the other hand, probably sees that he does way too much anyway (between his shop, household DIY, ferrying children etc) and the least you can do is dinner and finish the job by doing the clearing up. Two separate views of the same issue but both, in some sense, equally valid. The underlying problem is that good will is not there, so it becomes a resentment competition. Were things healthier, you would both be jumping up to do the dishes and end up sharing them while sipping a glass of wine and having a nice chat. You need to draw back from your entrenched positions before something really petty becomes a huge issue, which would be a shame because, from your posts, you both sound very decent people.

TheDoctrineOfPositivityYes · 23/08/2013 15:14

The DP doesn't work 12 hours a day, he is out of the house 12 hours a day which includes the morning school run. Sounds like his commute is about an hour each way but his hours at the shop are 10-7 - actually this sounds fairly compatible with family life as he can then do the school run.

OP, he shouldn't have called you a domestic nazi. You both sound tired - can you get a babysitter and go out for a meal and a chat?

Kaekae · 23/08/2013 15:15

I get where you're coming from. My DP works, I am a SAHM. I do all the domestic stuff in the house. Like you I cook twice for the same reasons you state. Before I had children I lived with my DP for almost 10 years and we shared the cleaning etc. but since having two children and becoming a SAHM he seems to think he doesn't have to do anything, even DIY. If he fails to do his share of things he agrees to then I just stop doing things for him, i.e cooking, washing his clothes etc. I refuse to live with a man child.

PaperSeagull · 23/08/2013 15:15

I think I'm with your DH. It does sound as though he is working a great deal in a stressful situation and you have agreed to take on the bulk of the housework/childcare. TBH, this sort of arrangement would fill me with horror, but I know that many families work along these lines.

Your DH was completely out of order to shout at you in front of the children, of course.

IWipeArses · 23/08/2013 15:16

Potentially, you could both be earning more money in other jobs, but he chooses to focus on his shop.
You support him in this sacrifice, including retraining and work two days a week while doing most of the childcare and housework, including a much longer day, with less walking/thinking/alone time on his commute and he can't wash up after you cook him dinner?

wordfactory · 23/08/2013 15:17

Asking someone to clean up before sex sounds like a bit of a passion killer. Couldn't you both have just left the dishes?