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My DN hates me and never wants to see me or my family again. Im sorry this is quite long

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namechanger2013 · 16/08/2013 15:30

Trying to keep it short as I can, my DN is my brothers daughter from his first relationship, I love her dearly. She has had a very difficult life, her relationship with her mother is difficult (her mother always had money to spend in the pub but not to put food on her table, has kicked her out numerous times, when she was small she couldn't be bothered getting out of bed to take her to school and so it wasnt until she got in trouble with the LA for doing this she started taking her). Now, I know my brother is not blameless in any of this, but I am not sure he is relevant to this argument.
As I have said I love my DN dearly and so when she was growing up I took her on days out/holidays spent time with her doing nice things so she can look back at a happy childhood, I helped her with her homework have always been on the end of the phone and have dropped everything to be there when she has needed/wanted me (including flying over 2,000 miles to be there for her birthday party when she was little) . I have never ever let on to my DN how I feel about her mum and have always played along at happy families to protect her. Anyhow, about 3-4 weeks ago I was texting my SIL (my DB wife) and the subject got onto my DN mum as she had apparently said something about me being a bad mother, I dont know what took over but I launched into a ?thats a bit rich coming from her? rant and got really upset (DN mum has caused my family a hell of a lot of pain in the past) and sil and I talked through this. Now, earlier today my niece calls me and calls me a ?fucking liar? and a ?bitch? says that she knows what I have been saying about her mum and its all fucking lies and I need to get a life. She says she found out a couple of weeks ago and has been fuming at me since, but hasnt been able to find the right words to say it (though she stopped being angry at me long enough to randomly call and ask for my advice about holidays....). I am apparently now as good as dead to her and she never wants to see me again. I explained that I feel the way I feel for very valid reasons and she just told me they are all ?fucking lies, I know because my mom told me?, and that my relationship with her is independent of how I feel about her mother and that will never change, I have loved, supported and encouraged her her entire life and that will never change, but then it was ?I don?t care? I never want to see you again?. ?phone down.
Strangely SIL was agreeing with what I was saying but she is still speaking to SIL, (the cynical part of me thinks that she has more to lose from falling out with SIL ? no more holidays/money/gifts etc).
It is true I do love my niece, and maybe I shouldn?t have vented that way, but its not like I lied or made anything up and its not like she should even have been snooping, but it really hurts so bad, this is it, after everything I have done and everything we have been through, it ends over this. Maybe her mum is right and I am a shit parent.

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cozietoesie · 16/08/2013 15:35

How old is she?

namechanger2013 · 16/08/2013 15:36

18 cozie

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Vivacia · 16/08/2013 15:40

I think all you can do is forgive, wait and keep the door open to her.

namechanger2013 · 16/08/2013 15:44

vivacia I do forgive her and I will always be there for her, but she is very headstrong so I am just preparing myself for it being a very very long wait before I even hear from her, if I ever do at all.

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Vivacia · 16/08/2013 15:46

Yep, I bet you're in for a long wait. But what else can you do? Perhaps ask your brother to mediate?

ImperialBlether · 16/08/2013 15:47

I'm struggling to understand. Who said you were a bad mother? Who told you this? I'm confused over the SIL - are there two of them?

Why did she say you were a bad mother, just out of interest?

Pagwatch · 16/08/2013 15:50

Presumeably your SIL deluded to repeat your conversation.
How else would our DN and her mother know about it ?

Pagwatch · 16/08/2013 15:51
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RubyrooUK · 16/08/2013 15:54

Give her time. This is my take on it...

The terrible thing about having a crap parent is that often you still love them and you desperately crave their affection and approval. So when they are criticised, you become intensely defensive.

It sounds to me like your niece is venting at you and feels she can do this as you are close to her. She can't risk agreeing with you because it makes her feel stupid for loving her mum and worthless (because why would anyone worthwhile love and want approval from someone so crap).

So I would leave it for now. If you speak to her, just say calmly "sorry if I upset you. Your mum upset me and I snapped. I'm always here for you though."

Eighteen year olds are volatile at the best of times and it does not sound like your niece has had an easy time. Perhaps just leave it for a while and hopefully she will feel embarrassed and move past it.

(Is your SIL being helpful here by the way or repeating things you said in private to your niece? That doesn't sound very useful.)

namechanger2013 · 16/08/2013 15:56

Sorry pag and imperial I am not really very with it today. DN is my DB daughter from a teenage relationship they are no longer, broke up really before DN was born (that would be a whole other thread) DB is now married to SIL. DN mother said I was a bad mother which caused my texty rant. DN (probably snooping to find out what she was getting for her birthday), went snooping on SIL phone and found the texts.

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cantdoalgebra · 16/08/2013 15:57

This must be very distressing for you - events have clearly hit a nerve with your DN. However, there is no excuse for her to call you using such bad language. Next time she calls, (if she calls) make it quite clear her behaviour towards you is unacceptable and you will not engage with her until she starts to behave more reasonably towards you. She is not your daughter and she will not thank you for any interference. You may love her very much, but do not use this as a reason to let her abuse you.

cozietoesie · 16/08/2013 15:58

I think that 18 is one heck of a stormy age and I'd be inclined to keep sending birthday and Xmas letters and any others that you would normally send such as holiday messages etc. In other words, be completely as normal so that there's not too big a barrier to her return - which I reckon will happen.

What would interest me more is the role of your SIL in all this because - if you and your SIL were having a one on one text exchange - there's only one source for all this alleged venom that your DN has got hold of, I think?

What is your relationship with her like? And are you given to exchanging confidences with her? (Because it sounds to me as if she was stirring it for some reason. I know that in my own family, some of the adults have issues with each other but we're all very careful to protect the youngsters from any fall out. I can't conceive of one of them getting hold of the sort of angles your DN is talking about - and also, you don't really know what she was told that you'd said, do you?)

cozietoesie · 16/08/2013 15:59

Sorry - x post. Are you sure that she found out all this by snooping? It seems an extreme reaction.

KellyHopter · 16/08/2013 16:00

Well whatever you think of her mother and however justified you feel, your niece clearly doesn't agree.

She sounds over dramatic, she's 18 so par for the course, but as far as she's concerned you are wrong and were bad mouthing her mother so looking at it from that standpoint she will feel entirely justified in deciding she wants nothing to do with you.

And actually, I do think your brothers role is relevant - if her mother was that bad then he is worse for leaving her there. She may well be thinking its bloody rich for his family to denigrate the person who actually did bring her up.

namechanger2013 · 16/08/2013 16:06

Kelly He did on numerous occasions ask her to live with them/try to put things in place to live with them but she always said no as it was too far from her friends/boyfriend.

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ImperialBlether · 16/08/2013 16:19

It's hard for a young person to accept their mother is completely crap. Often they build up a picture of them that doesn't resemble reality. Keep sending her birthday cards etc but don't send money or a present. Given that she's a bit mercenary, it would be horrible if she became friends again because of money.

Squitten · 16/08/2013 16:28

I imagine your niece feels very similar to much younger children who idolise their deadbeat parent no matter how much they are let down by them repeatedly. Teenagers are a volatile species and always blow up at their elders without thinking the consequences through so don't take it personally - I know that's hard.

Give her time, keep the lines of communication open and see what she does. You may find that all that anger subsides on its own.

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