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Is my thinking skewed? Advice please.

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Belle12 · 02/08/2013 17:35

Hi all,

I am a newbie and I would be grateful for your help. Sorry that it is long but I am in a bit of turmoil.

I have been in a relationship with DP for about 2 1/2 years. We do not live together. To be honest I am not sure the relationship is really going anywhere but I don't know if it is me, him or both of us that is the problem. On the surface things look OK but they don't feel OK.

To give a bit of background I am in my 40s, divorced (we were together 16 years, married 13 years) with 2 DC. My XH left to be with OW and a year later I got involved with a MM. I was in a very bad place and I am deeply ashamed of my actions during that time although I did care for MM and still do (stupid as that may seem). It took a long time and several attempts to break away. Eventually I did. Shortly afterwards I began a relationship with DP.

DP has had 1 serious previous relationship of 3 years but has not lived with anyone and has no children. He is in his later 40s. He lived with his parents until quite late when he bought his own home. He still visits them regularly for a few hours a few times a week.

He is a sensitive, caring man and has been very supportive in a practical sense, emotionally slightly less so. He is also very rigid and tetchy at times. He has set things he sticks to and is out of sorts if this routine changes. I guess he is very bachelor like really.

Partly because it is easier, we spend most of the time together at my home. I have suggested spending time at his but initially he would say he had nothing for the DCs to play with and then conversation about it always seemed to be tense so it was just left there. 2 1/2 years on and that is still the case - though he says they can come round anytime I still feel like he would really rather keep his space to himself. He gets along well with my DCs and they like him a lot and he has no problem baby sitting for me occasionally but it still niggles me that he never invites us all to his. I can't see how we would ever live together if he is not comfortable with us all in his space.

Because of this and the rigidity and tetchy vibe I feel like the physical shutters have come down and I think romantically we have come to an end. I have tried to talk to him lots of times. I have been subtle, less subtle and blunt. He doesn't see a proble.m or if he does he thinks it is something he can change. He says he wants to work at it but that I need to give him time.

I admit I am not easy to live with. I carry a lot of baggage and issues from childhood and what was basically an abusive marriage. The involvement with MM has left it's mark also. I read a quote once that said "having an affair eats away at the very fabric of your soul" - it does. It's a warped way of living, some kind of half live that destroys trust and love.

Given my history I don't want to make any more mistakes. He is a good man and I do not want to end the relationship for a stupid reason but as it is now I can't see a happy future with him. When I tell him that he disagrees and I feel he is just not listening as it is not what he wants to hear.

I'm afraid of making the wrong decision and being alone and failing. I don't want to hurt him but don't want us both just to settle for each other if it is not right for us both. Sorry, I know that sounds weak. Hope what I have said makes sense.

Would be grateful for any advice. Thank you in advance.

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CajaDeLaMemoria · 02/08/2013 17:38

Has he stayed over for any substantial period? Is that possible, to see if he can cope with the children and the lack of personal space?

I think this is something that you can work through if you both want too, but I'm not sure if you do. Do you love him? Or do you think you fear being alone, but don't really want to move forward with him?

Belle12 · 02/08/2013 18:49

Hi Caja and thanks for responding.

He has stayed over mostly when the DCs are staying with their Dad as I feel odd about him staying over when DCs are here. My problem, not his as I want my DCs to be happy and I want to be a better example for them than I was. We did have a short break away all together last year which went ok but DP seemed to struggle (shouted at DC1 at one point then left room and burst into tears).

I struggle with the use of the word love. XH said the day he left that his love for me was never in question.

Involvement with MM just served to make things worse as I could not admit love and spent the whole time denying I was even in a relationship with him because I knew it was wrong.

With DP it felt like there was finally the chance of a decent relationship. He is a good, caring man but i just don't feel love and I don't know if this is because I am screwed up or because I think he is just with me because he wants to be in a relationship. I also know I don't make it easy and possibly have commitment issues. That probably doesn't make much sense.

I am scared to be alone and scared of failing but this is more due to self esteem/confidence issues (I think).

DP is lovely in many ways and deserves someone who feels the same way he does. I'm just not sure that's me. I think we would still be in the same position in 10 years time as he seems happy with things as they are as long as we are together. He seems to have no drive in any area of his life.

I'm worried I sound like a bitch but I want to do the right thing by us both.

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ofmiceandmen · 02/08/2013 20:15

Belle you seem to have taken the responsibility for other peoples happiness or lack of it. and in the process left your self rather short of it.

I think you need to start with YOU. your DP doesn't come into the picture until you can find happiness within yourself.
So time to do what's right for you for once. Oddly a happier you will attract a happier mate.

On your DP- ok some serious issues but they have nothing to do with you.
There is a reason why his only serious relationship lasted 3. He's a man child. And like your MM he's doing what suites him and not what suites you.
Come on! not letting you stay over after 2,5 Years. speaks for itself. He's not willing to inconvenience himself for you, so why do the same for him. So he comes to your place makes a mess, easts meals, uses your facilities, water, lights, etc etc. You are a part time family and he can slip off to his proper world and pack you away- very much like your MM.

You need some time to be alone, seeking refuge in this sort of personality (DP) is not gong to do you any good.

ofmiceandmen · 02/08/2013 20:22

OK - this is going to sting:

Your XH kept you as a side piece (he left for the main dish)

Your MM kept you as a side piece (He never was leaving his main dish)

Your DP is keeping you as a side piece. (He will never make you his main dish)

Common trend. Common factor - YOU let them.

Time to stop. time to bring Belle into the centre of proceedings.

XH can screw himself with that love BS. I love you thats why i am leaving to be with someone else. FFS.

Hissy · 02/08/2013 22:10

I have to agree with OfMice tbh, you're a passenger in your life atm.

This guy's very selfish.

Living with your parents until fairly 'old', and delayed relationship starts, only 3yrs of relationship under his belt? All that smacks of more luggage that heathrow.

My instinct is telling me that this relationship is a dead end.

Distance yourself and observe. Look at what's in this for you? For your DC. He'd be bloody awful to live with!

NotYoMomma · 02/08/2013 22:54

could he maybe have slight autism / aspergers?

I just noticed what you were saying about routine and getting out of sorts and stilted conversation at times. also he might not invite you all over because he might not even think to?

I don't mean to cause offence to anyone with partners with this its just what I first thought reading the OP and my limited knowledge

tightfortime · 02/08/2013 23:07

I agree with ofmiceandmen.... You are consistently allowing yourself to play second fiddle. That self esteem needs work lady!

Forget the baggage and don't settle for what's not quite right just because he's not an asshole. Not fair on either of you actually.

You have tried to make him see how you feel and he's not getting it. Let him off and see does he fight for you. Be prepared to walk if he doesn't.

cjel · 02/08/2013 23:20

My 1st thought was that non of your partners have given you 100% and I wouldn't want to be second to anyone who I kept saying was a 'lovely man'. He is probably a great improvement on the last two , but that doesn't mean its right. You are getting better at picking them but I don't think you've succeeded for your life partner this time. Sorry.

Belle12 · 30/08/2013 00:07

Hi All,
Firstly I am very sorry for taking this long to respond to your comments on my post, I have no excuse.

Secondly, thank you to each of you for your comments which made absolute sense, particularly Ofmiceandmen.

Yes it did sting. It was also spot on. It put things clearly and basically summed up what I know in my heart.

I don't think it is just him (I do believe he does have Aspergers traits). I think it is me also. I went into things too soon and should have taken more time to get myself together before embarking on another relationship.

Thank you all so much again.

Belle x

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