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Should I go?

42 replies

choochie · 06/06/2006 17:14

My friend wants me to go out with her on Friday, she is emigrating and wants to meet up with all the girls for a last night out. Trouble is my partner does not like me going out and normally to avoid trouble I just don't bother going out, I really do want to go and make a stand on this but I know he will carry on with me.

Don't really know why I am posting this because I know what I have to do but just not sure how best to go about it.

BTW I have changed my name for this.

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Dior · 06/06/2006 22:30

Blimey - standard control freak comment - 'It's the other men I don't trust'...does he think that they are going to be so smitten that they will all follow you home and insist on sex there and then! You are a big girl and you won't cheat on him. You want to see your friend, end of story.

I'm now more worried for you with him. Any man who would push you after a night out will surely take the next step of hitting you? I'm no expert, so I'll back off on this one. There are others on here who've been there and come through the other side. It's not on though...

Tortington · 06/06/2006 22:59

your fella is a knob and you know it. you dont go out cos he doesn't like it?

no advice obviously.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2006 07:11

"I just don't like the trouble it causes, he does sometimes get quite nasty when I get home although he has never actually hit me he has pushed me a few times.

I know he loves me but he says its other men he doesn't trust not me".

choochie

Listen to yourself here!!. His attitude, albeit ridiculous to non controlling people, is dangerous for you and by turn your children. Controlling men are angry. This is all about power and control - control over you.

You are with a man who likes to control everything and everyone around him. This is extremely bad news for you. He has also pushed you a few times now (that is also abusive behaviour) so he's a big bully who will use force as well so you submit to his wishes. He is also a coward.

What are your children learning in such an environment?. You are both setting them a bad example (you enable this to continue by backing down every time). They are learning that its okay for Mummy to be controlled both physically and emotionally by a bullying male partner. Your children could well go on to repeat such behaviours themselves as adults. Do you really want that for them?.

"Why does he do that?" written by Lundy Bancroft is a book written with your precise situation in mind. I would strongly suggest you read it.

choochie · 07/06/2006 09:56

Thanks Attilathemeerkat, your advice makes sense. We have a great life together and I know I wouldn't cope with the kids on my own so leaving is not an option, he's okay most of the time and tbh he never goes out either as he prefers us to go out together.

He doesn't try to control me in other ways but does complain about the things I wear, he hates anything which is low cut but I like them kind of tops not because I want to give other men an eyeful but because I think I look like a woman in them but he thinks differently, I suppose men do.

I am not making excuses for him but he is a good loving man and father and never carries on in front of the kids anyway so I don't think it affects them.

Dior - you are right what you say, men definitely do not fall over themselves when I am out, I don't know why he thinks this way, maybe its because he loves me he thinks other men will be like that but they are not, I never get chatted up and wouldn't want to be, I just like a girly laugh every once in awhile.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2006 10:55

Choochie,

At least you think my counsel makes sense and you have not dismissed it outright.

However, you need to re-read carefully what you have written. From this end it does not sound good for you and your children at all. I am sorry to write this as well but you have written excuses for his behaviour. The phrases, "we have a great life together", "he does not try to control me in other ways" (OH YES HE DOES!!!) is sugar coating a bad situation. Being controlled and monitored 24/7 is NO life for either you or your children. You are confusing abuse (and control is abuse) with love.

I will also pull you up strongly on this - if you think that your children are not affected because he does not do all this in front of them then you are very mistaken. Children learn about relationships first and foremost from their parents - we are their primary influence. I come back to my question I last posted - What are you both teaching them?. That its okay for Mummy to be controlled by a man who will readily use bullying tactics, they see it!!.

I do feel for you. He has done a damn fine job on you hasn't he as he has successfully conditioned you to you accepting this behaviour. You likely doubt your own self and that is his doing.

So you could not cope without the kids on my own - many women do and do a fine job. Sorry to say that but think you appreciate honesty. You may well find you are all happier without him controlling your every move, who you see and what you wear. I wear V neck tops because I, like yourself, find them comfortable. He thinks that all men are looking at you and as a result immediately want to have sex with you. Mad yes but this is his thinking. He is a very angry individual at heart. Controlling men often are very angry and they take out their anger on the person nearest them - in your case you.

His controlling issues are his alone to deal with - if he cannot or will not seek help for dealing with these issues then ultimately it is down to you. Whatever you do will not be enough. How much lower will you sink due to him, that is my concern.

Why do you think he likes going out with you rather than you on your own - its to keep an eye on you, he wants to keep you in the gilded cage of HIS making. At his "happiest" you would never leave the house at all even to collect the kids from school.

Would reiterate you read the Lundy Bancroft publication I mentioned. It may open your eyes....

I feel very strongly about controlling having seen some of my friend's suffer at first hand. It does immense harm.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 07/06/2006 11:01

Choochie,

I would like you to read the followign link as well:-

groups.msn.com/NARCISSISTICPERSONALITYDISORDER/lundybancrofttoppick.msnw

choochie · 07/06/2006 14:06

I appreciate your time for posting on there, every word you have said is totally true and yes over the years he has become worse he refuses to talk about anything to do with my past, he doesn't like me talking about work or my friends or even my family, he doesn't let me go out with anyone to be honest apart from him, he doesn't physically stop me of course but he emotionally makes me feel so bad if I ever want to do anything without him and the children then he sees it as not being happy with our relationship.

He has been very badly hurt in the past, his wife had an affair with work colleague and I have known this from the very start and I have always known he has a bad temper so maybe I should not have rushed so quickly into a relationship with him which I did.

I am going to go out with my friend, I am going to stand my ground and tell him if he doesn't like it then thats just tough, by reading these threads it has made me realise really that I am just making his behaviour worse by succumbing to his way of thinking, he's very good at making me feel guilty.

I went over the road for a few drinks with my other friend a couple of weeks ago and he could see exactly where I was but yet he still kept sending me text messages DEMANDING that I come home because he was having a rubbish night and wanted to spend time with me. He didn't speak to me for a full day after that either.

He makes out its because he wants to spend time with me and he likes my company but yes in fact it is controlling and I think I have just been brushing it under the carpet.

Thanks again for everyone's advice I am really grateful Smile

Will let you know the outcome.

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bluejelly · 07/06/2006 14:07

Be strong choochie. He is the one with the problem, not you.

choochie · 07/06/2006 14:09

Oh and with regard to the children we once had a massive row and he stormed out, my little girl was heartbroken and she said she wanted to go with her Daddy, she's very close to him and so I could not do that to her especially as my Dad walked out when I was a little girl and I missed him terribly.

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Dior · 08/06/2006 13:19

If he didn't speak to you for a full day after going out, then he can't really want your company can he? If he makes it hard enough for you to go out, then you might give up for an easy life. That is really sad though. A couple with seperate interests makes for a couple with more to talk about surely?

Murphee · 08/06/2006 22:31

Leave him.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 09/06/2006 10:33

Choochie,

You'd better go out tonight to see your friend before she emigrates!!. My guess is as well she knows what is going on and she is worried for you.

Re your comments:-
"I appreciate your time for posting on there, every word you have said is totally true and yes over the years he has become worse he refuses to talk about anything to do with my past, he doesn't like me talking about work or my friends or even my family

Am glad you have yourself admitted there is a serious problem here. These are all controlling behaviours. He has managed to isolate you further away from your family and friends.

"he doesn't let me go out with anyone to be honest apart from him, he doesn't physically stop me of course but he emotionally makes me feel so bad if I ever want to do anything without him and the children then he sees it as not being happy with our relationship"

Again all controlling behaviours, he has to seek help re his controllling issues but my guess here is that he cannot or just as likely will not. Such controlling issues are deeply seated. You cannot resolve them for him; only he can if he really wants to and with help. You have to accept as well he may not want to change so its back to you again.

"He has been very badly hurt in the past, his wife had an affair with work colleague"

That's an excuse for him because it does not address why he is so controlling. Affairs are symptomatic of problems in the relationship, not the cause. There were problems in their relationship for her to want to go off with another man. He may have been overtly controlling towards her then. Not saying what she did was right but ultimately she is free of him.

"and I have known this from the very start and I have always known he has a bad temper so maybe I should not have rushed so quickly into a relationship with him which I did".

Your mistake was getting so involved
with him given his history. Love is blind. Perhaps you thought you could change him for the better. However, as you have learnt to your cost you cannot act as someone's rescuer or saviour.

"I am going to go out with my friend, I am going to stand my ground and tell him if he doesn't like it then thats just tough, by reading these threads it has made me realise really that I am just making his behaviour worse by succumbing to his way of thinking, he's very good at making me feel guilty".

Hooray for you Choochie!!!. You had better follow this through not just for you but your children. I think you have learnt that just enabling it to continue only makes it worse. Your children are learning from all this, I ask again what are you teaching them by to date blindly accepting his control. Control is all about power, its another form of abuse. Am very certain that you do not want your children thinking that such behaviour along with the reactions to it are part of a normal, functional relationship.

"I went over the road for a few drinks with my other friend a couple of weeks ago and he could see exactly where I was but yet he still kept sending me text messages DEMANDING that I come home because he was having a rubbish night and wanted to spend time with me. He didn't speak to me for a full day after that either".

You were over the road and he still complains!!. If a friend of yours was telling you all this what would you say re his behaviour?.

"He makes out its because he wants to spend time with me and he likes my company but yes in fact it is controlling and I think I have just been brushing it under the carpet".

You want me to be honest with you again - yes you have brushed it under the carpet. He has also caused you untold emotional harm in that he has worn your self worth and esteem down to almost nothing.

My suggestion to you apart from reading the book I mentioned is to have counselling for your own self to rebuild your own self worth and esteem. I would also talk to Womens Aid.

bluejelly · 09/06/2006 10:57

Fantastic post Atilla, or Meerkat, or whatever you prefer to go by

bluejelly · 09/06/2006 10:57

Fantastic post Atilla, or Meerkat, or whatever you prefer to go by

bluejelly · 09/06/2006 10:58

oops

NotQuiteCockney · 09/06/2006 12:41

He was upset because he wanted to spend time with you ... which is why he didn't speak to you for a day?

Any hope of you going for couples counselling? Or him going for counselling on his own, frankly?

LoveMyGirls · 09/06/2006 15:07

i used to be with some one exactly like this (except he did end up being violent towards me on a number of occasions)

we once went to a family (his) party and he was in a mood so i was ignoring him and his sister took me round the room to introduce me to people when i came to sit back down he punched me in the back of the head and dragged me outside. His whole family were appalled by his behaviour and his brother took him home - i was so embarrassed!

please get out before it gets to that point !!!

and your kids do notice it - or where were they when he wasnt speaking to you for a whole day? (it causes an atmosphere when theres no need, hes a selfish that doesnt deserve you imo)

with me in the end it got to the point where my best friend of 10 years told me she wanted nothing more to do with me if i didnt leave him because she couldnt stand to see me hurting anymore. (i left him and now im happier than ive ever been in my entire life.)

btw i can give you loads of eg's when he was horrid to me because i saw my mates but it never stopped me because they are worth more than a relationship they will always be there. (my m8 of 10yrs was there for me as soon as i dropped him)

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