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My own mother is prejudiced :(

24 replies

wannaBe1974 · 04/06/2006 21:01

This might be long so please bear with me :).

Was going to change my name for this but from the details most would probably guess who I was anyway so … here goes.

My parents discovered that I couldn’t see when I was three months old. They wanted me to grow up as independent as possible and so they generally let me do most things when I was a child. I had a bike, rollerscates, my dad allowed me to drive his car on a deserted road … you get the picture. My parents didn’t want to wrap me up in cotton wool though so as a result they were a lot harder on me than on my sister. I think that my mum’s thinking was that it’s a tough world out there and there’s a lot of prejudice so she saw putting me down at every opportunity as being her way of preparing me for the big bad world. Nothing I ever did was good enough, when I entered a Yamaha music contest in the keyboard division and won the regional heat and went on into the provincial finals and came second I “didn’t win so it’s not a big deal”, When my sister scraped through her exams by the skin of her teeth, but without the right grades to get into uni, my mum took her to the beach with a bottle of champagne to celebrate, when I passed my exams with, not magnificent grades but good enough to get me into uni I was told that there wouldn’t be champagne because “I don’t really think there’s anything worth celebrating”. My mum always told me that I would have to be twice as good as everyone else because I was a woman and had a disability and if I wasn’t better than the best no-one would ever give me a chance. I do realize that her motives were well-intentioned but I think that she took it so far that eventually she actually started to believe that I was as crap at everything as she consistently told me.

We didn’t have a hugely close relationship as I was growing up as I was sent to boarding school from the age of 5 and hence when I got older I found talking to friends was easier than talking to my parents. She resented this a lot, even does to this day and calls me strange because my sister tells her everything and I really don’t feel the need to.

I think that although she did want me to be independent, she never really thought that I would be, and thought that I would need her for a lot of things. I am fiercely independent and although I’m not afraid to ask for help I don’t feel the need to rely on others as I’m perfectly capable of doing most things for myself, and she resents this.

When I was pregnant with my DS she told me that I would need her for a lot of things and hope that I would be able to cope. I didn’t actually need her at all, and coped very well, she even told a friend of mine that I coped better than my sister did, but she would never ever admit it to me.

There have been lots of little things where she’s given me the impression that she thinks I’m incapable, and it’s always got me down somewhat, but I think that the clinchers have come recently. My sister had another baby yesterday, a ds. My mum and dad have taken a month off between them to help her once her dh goes back to work. I pointed out that I live just round the corner and that I’m always there if she needs anything, to which my mum replied that “well there’s nothing you can do really is there!” I said that I could shop for her, take things round, pick up her ds from nursery if so required and she just said that “oh of course you can’t, how can you pick up her ds!” I said that I could do it in exactly the same way I pick up my own ds, I could get him and we could walk back to my sister’s house, that I shop for myself anyway so shopping for her would be no different … etc etc, and she just refused to acknowledge any of this saying “it’s just better if we’re there”. Then yesterday she asked me if I was going to have any more children and I told her that we’d been trying for a year with no luck and she said “well maybe it’s better, I don’t know how you’d be able to cope with two”.

Thing is, I can understand to a degree if a stranger who didn’t know me had some misgivings about my abilities until they got to know me, but she’s not a stranger, she’s my mother fgs! I have friends who I haven’t known for that long who have been happy for me to look after their children, people who have left their babies with me at toddler groups while they go to the loo or run after their other child, and when I’ve told her about this she’s totally horrified.

The things she says are just so hurtful because I know that she really believes I’m useless and yet everyone else who knows me knows the opposite to be true. If I stand up to her she gets very defensive, so generally I just keep it shut and winge to dh instead. But the comment about how maybe it was best I couldn’t get pregnant is just the limit imo.

Sorry this is such a long rant, and well done if you’re still reading. I just don’t know what to do about her any more, apart from shutting her out of my life completely.

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Twiglett · 04/06/2006 21:08

bloody hell wannabe .. poor you

I would say to put this all in a letter and send it to her .. let her know how you feel .. but try to phrase it so it ends with a result .. maybe like 'can we learn to support each other more' or 'really need to hear that you are proud of me because I do love you'

Pixiefish · 04/06/2006 21:15

no advice just hugs

hester · 04/06/2006 21:16

Oh wannabe, that is so tough Sad. My only advice is that she may hear your message more effectively if you give her examples of times when she has been positive about your abilities, and how that has helped you achieve results. That should help show her a model of how she can improve her mothering of you, rather than just telling her that her protectiveness (I'm sure that's how she sees it) is undermining.

fuzzywuzzy · 04/06/2006 21:18

I'd confront her or rather sit her down and tell her that her comments hurt you deeply.

My mother has always thought she can behave any way she wishes with me and I will quietly accept it. All came to a head last year when I finally utterly lost my rag with the woman. She's now a lot more respectful towards me but I know how she feels about me and it's not the same as she she feels about my younger siblings.....

I totally sympathise.

madrose · 04/06/2006 21:22

just wanted to say how much I admire you. You sound like a fanastic person, a fab sister and a super mum.

It does sound like your mum does resent your independence in some way. maybe she thought you would always be her 'baby' in that she would always be needed by you.

I don't want what to suggest, but completely shutting your mum out is hard. My brother has shut my parents out, part of me admires him for doing it - (i can't quite do it, too much emotional guilt) but he does feel bad about it all, and sort of keeps in touch via me. but I do feel what your mom said was out of order, it's as if she doesn't know you at all, it also sounds that she could be a tad jealous of you.

Good luck TTC I hopr it happens soon.

sending you [[hugs]]

kalex · 04/06/2006 21:22

Sh*t. That is really awful. don't really now what to say to that. ((((((((((hugs)))))))

VeniVidiVickiQV · 04/06/2006 21:23

Oh that sucks Wannabe Sad

I dont know what to say really, but it seems that she has never come to terms with your condition. Not that this helps you in any way.

You seem to be a very strong person, and have coped with all that life has thrown at you. However, Im sure it would be preferable if you felt your parents were on your side, even though you dont "need" them.

LadySherlockofLGJ · 04/06/2006 21:25
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QE · 04/06/2006 21:39

Maybe she hasn't come to terms with your disability and finds that difficult so therefore your relationship is difficult. I am still shocked at some of the things she has said.

You said you didn't need her when you were pregannat, that you coped. Well this is where I think the problem lays. Parents, well, some parents need to be needed. They feel hurt and rejected when you don't need them which is bizarre because that doesn't mean we wouldn't appreciate it. What I don't understand is why on the other hand she is also saying how useless you are. That is sucha contradiction.

Could you confront her? Talk to her? Would you seriously want to shut her completely out of your life?

btw sounds to me like you are doing a bloody brilliant job.

Hoopoe · 04/06/2006 21:47

Sad Sounds to me like she's not gotten her head around your disability. Do you think she feels guilty about it? I think it's worth letting her know how hurtful her attitude is, before you go the final step and shut her out. The letter idea is a good one. I also think talking to your sister about it may shed some insight.

My sister had a really hard time with my dad, while I got on really well with him. When he died my sister told me how hurt she was by his attitude and I wish she had told me sooner. Perhaps I could have done something - don't know what, but it's not nice to know the opportunity to try isn't there anymore.

wannaBe1974 · 04/06/2006 21:48

thanks all :)

Not sure whether she would respond to a letter tbh. She's very much one of these people who doesn't much go in for talking about feelings etc, and I can well imagine her telling me not to be so tetchy about things she says. She and my sister are very close, and although I think my sister does see what she's like to an extent, I'm not sure she would stand up to her. My mum doesn't take criticism well and her general reaction to criticism is to get very defensive and argumentative, but she would never sit down and discuss rassionally.

I do think that she never really accepted that she'd had a child with a disability, even though she would never admit it. When I was 7 she terminated an unplanned pregnancy because she didn't want to risk having another child with a disability, even though the cause of my blindness was never established and no one else in my family has any visual problems. There were never any secrets in our family and we were all well aware that she was pregnant and that she was terminating the pregnancy. As a 7 year old I think that that was actually something I was not really mature enough to deal with, I remember going to school and telling a friend that my mummy was expecting another baby but she didn't want it so she was going into hospital so the doctors could take it away. For a long time when i got older I felt responsible for that baby, but now I know that it was her decision that she made and that I didn't really play a part.

I do think there is some truth in the statement that she doesn't want to let her baby go. I think partly that because I was away at school she thought that when I left and came home I would need her, but obviously by then it was too late.

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wannaBe1974 · 04/06/2006 21:51

I don't think I could really shut her out of my life completely. My parents have been there for us and I do appreciate all that they've done. But she can be so hurtful at times and she knocks me down so much that sometimes I think it would be a good idea. don't really think i could do it though

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Hoopoe · 04/06/2006 21:51

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Well it may be cathartic just to get it off your chest. Even if she doesn't respond at least you'll know you've tried your best.

Sorry, not much help but lots of hugs.

southeastastra · 04/06/2006 22:00

She just worries for you, mums are like that!

fransmom · 04/06/2006 22:06

hi wannaBe1974, i'm shocked that there can be such insensitive people in the world. i understand part of what you feel, the not being good enough, always being told that you're not special and feeling that you come second to to someone else, and my dad sounds about the same as your mother, it seems to hurt worse when it's family doesn't it? i don't think she realises the true extent of your feelings tbh. do you have a mutual friend/contact who could perhaps talk to her for you if a letter doesn't work? at least you will have satisfaction knowing that you tried. (((((hugs)))))

fransmom · 04/06/2006 22:08

seastra, if that were so, why couldn't she treat her the same as her sister because she obviously worried about her sister's feelings regarding exam results?

edam · 04/06/2006 22:09

Wow Wannabe, that is unbelievable. Would it help if you printed off some material from a disability rights group or something going over the whole 'does he take sugar is bloody patronising' issue? Or is she beyond redemption?

suejonez · 04/06/2006 22:30

I think a burst of Philip Larkin seems appropriate here:

They fcuk you up, your mum and dad.
They may not mean to, but they do.
They fill you with the faults they had
And add some extra, just for you.

But they were fucked up in their turn
By fools in old-style hats and coats,
Who half the time were soppy-stern
And half at one another's throats.

Man hands on misery to man.
It deepens like a coastal shelf.
Get out as early as you can,
And don't have any kids yourself.

Of course there is a better way of handling it as you have discovered - live life as you choose and populate the earth with children who are kind and caring and unprejudiced.

Don't shut her out of your life - you sound very thoughful and I think it will make you feel worse. You do however need to find a way of dealing with her corrosive behaviour. Often parents (my mum does this) bring their children down to spare them a bigger hurt (in their eyes). I think you are spot on when you say she started out with the best of intentions then started believing it.

I wish you a lot of luck in moving your relationship with her onto a more adult footing. I'm sure in a different thread someone recommended a book called "toxic parents". Perhaps someone can confirm the title, you might find it suggests some new strategies for you.

Good luck.

southeastastra · 04/06/2006 22:35

how old are you wannabe1974

moondog · 04/06/2006 22:43

Wanna,so sorry to read this.
Your mother obviously hasn't come to terms with your disability (and poss. sending you away at such a tender age,although of course,this was the done thing until recently)

I think you're fabulous, as you not as a person with a visual impairmnet,although in that context you are also pretty fab too,and a most inspirational person to have on MN.

Kiss kiss

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/06/2006 07:02

wannabe

Your Mother sounds to me like a toxic parent in that she has always put you, her child now an adult, down (a common feature of such people).

Its called "Toxic Parents" and it's written by Susan Forward.

What's your Dad's position regarding this issue, does he keep out of all this?. I see no mention of his reaction to all this hence the question.

wannaBe1974 · 05/06/2006 11:10

Hi all, thanks so much for positive messages J.

Meerkat my dad is one of these type people who, rather than say anything negative, won’t say anything at all. TBH I think he’s like that to avoid confrontation with my mum, as she gets very defensive and argumentative if confronted about anything she’s says or does. sometimes he does lose it and they end up having a massive row. My parents are one of these type couples who don’t argue very often, but have one or two massive rows a year. Generally though he’ll support me with whatever I do. He doesn’t say that I’m doing a marvellous job or anything like that, giving complements isn’t something he does, but he doesn’t interfere either, he lets me do whatever I want, but is there if I need help. When I was younger he let me experience as many things as were possible, he let me drive his car, if we went to places where there were barriers around exhibits he would lift me over the barriers to have a look, we lived on a diamond mine and I wanted to know what an uncut diamond looked like, so he spoke to someone in security who arranged for me to be allowed to handle some uncut diamonds, something which was totally not allowed for anyone. So all in all my dad was the greatest really.

Edam in terms of her having a “does she take sugar” attitude, she totally doesn’t see it. And yet if I go anywhere with her she will speak for me, it’s bloody infuriating, but even if I point this out to her she denies that she actually does it.

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MadamePlatypus · 07/06/2006 21:44

Wannabe, your mum has some big problems. It is very sad that she can't appreciate the fabulous daughter that she has and is trapped in her own alternative universe where she just can't see the real you.

Sending a child to boarding school at 5, for whatever reason, is bound to have a negative effect on a parent child relationship. It sounds as though she needs counselling for this (and perhaps other things as well). Unfortunately, she has to agree that she has a problem before this would work.

Anyway, I really feel for you. However much we may know that our parents are wrong, it is completely natural to want their approval. Haven't really got any advice for you to make the situation better - it might help to talk to her, but at the end of the day you might just have to decide what is better - no mum at all, or a mum with big problems. I hope you can continue to find the strength to see that her view of you is completely skewed by her own hang ups and insecurities.

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