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DP and DS keep having big temper-losing fights

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AuroraAlfresco · 25/06/2013 07:46

(I didn't get much response to this in Parenting and it's fallen off the page Sad; hope ok to post here as well ...)

I can't see any end to their problems and I fear it's only going to get worse. DS is 8. I don't have the same problems with him at all. It's 90% the way DP is that causes DS to react badly to him, become stubborn, not want to cooperate for him.

DP will come home from work, I'll listen to his interaction with the DC, and maybe the first 5 things he says will be ever so slightly sarky ... subtle put-downs ...smart arse retorts to them (particularly DS1). It's so clear to me that this is why DS1 reacts badly and I just want to scream at DP "Why can't you just fucking well TALK NORMALLY to them!" It's as though he always feels he has to be keeping them in line ... casting a slight eye of suspicion over them as if they've done something wrong. I am so sick of it.

If I try and talk to him about it he complains that I am attacking him. So I don't know where to go from here. He's the only one that can change the way he is. But he puts it largely down to DS having an obstinate personality.

I'm fairly sure the reason behind it is that he dislikes himself a lot, so maybe feels he has to take it out on his DS to sabotage their relationship as a self-fulfilling prophecy. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

I would love any thoughts. I'm really not sure what I'm looking for and I know some people may tell me just to leave him ... it's possibly at the end of the tunnel, but anything more constructive that that would be good too. Thank you (I might not be able to reply till the morning but I'm not abandoning the thread!.

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Spiritedwolf · 25/06/2013 13:27

Like AF, I grew up with this. You've had great advice regarding standing up for your son, and the possible effects on him, so I won't repeat it.

I want to suggest that I don't think that your son is the only person in your household experiencing emotional abuse.

Here's your exhange again:
Him: "It's just a figure of speech/only a joke. It's not exactly scarring him for life."
Me: "How do you know, getting stuff like that dripped into him all the time"
Him: "Don't be ridiculous, you're way over-sensitive"

etc etc etc. It's just I'm right/no, I'm right/no, I'm right ...

He cares more about being right than about your feelings or opinion. He cares more about being right than his son's feelings. My dad liked/s to call me oversensitive or defensive too. As discussed in another recent thread, he doesn't see other peoples feelings as real or important, he minimises or denies that his comments are hurtful.

Let me put it another way, so what if you are more sensitive than average on a global scale of sensitivity? Its you he's living with, not those others who might agree with him. Your feelings and your son's feelings matter. If one of you is hurt by something he said, then he should care about that, even if he didn't mean it. You'd care if you hurt him right? That's what people who love each other do.

So his response should be something like:
"Oh, you think that my words hurt our son? I just meant to lightheartedly tease him, but you don't think he understood I was joking? Gosh, I better go and apologise to him, thanks for letting me know."

Do you know what we call someone who continues to make jokes at the expense of others who find them hurtful in order to sound big/clever? We call them bullies. No one should have to live with a bully. Home and family are meant to be sanctuarys not battlefields.

how can I get through to him that it's SERIOUS, when he just plays it down? He genuinely, genuinely doesn't realise and I don't know how to make him.

I think that you make it clear that you will no longer put up with it. That you consider him bullying an eight year old boy who looks up to him appalling behaviour that makes you think less of him. The easiest way to show you are serious is to leave. But certainly every single time he does it in future you step in and let them both know you think its wrong.

Even if we split up he'd be forever thinking that I reacted way over the top.

I think you have to give up on the idea that he'll acknowledge you are right about this - if he knew you were, he wouldn't be doing it in the first place. It doesn't matter if he thinks you were OTT and tells his friends that, does it? As long as you've stood up for your boy. Your P is using your attachment to being seen as the 'reasonable' one to walk all over you. You don't need to prove to anybody that its reasonable to be pissed off with your son facing emotional attacks in his own home.

You care about your P's opinion more than he cares about yours: you want him to think you are reasonable, you worry he'll be angry if you film him. Is your partner spending much time worrying if he's being reasonable to you and his son, does he worry that you or his son will be angry with him when he's rude and abusive? Why not?

Spiritedwolf · 25/06/2013 13:33

In the unlikely event he does actually want to change how he interacts with his son, or if you want help in idenifying why the way he says things is wrong - the book "How to Talk so Kids will Listen and Listen so Kids will Talk" is a fab book with examples that starkly show the difference in interactions.

If not addressed this will only get worse as your son gets older, he's only 8 fgs.

AnyFucker · 25/06/2013 13:35

...and the way both of you are acting (and showing), you both care about anybody's else's opinion except your son's

Xiaoxiong · 25/06/2013 13:50

Amazing advice here.

I just wanted to mention one thing about the videoing - I know you're uncomfortable doing it without his knowledge but maybe you could alert him to it in advance? Say to him in the context of the wider chat about the issue "Maybe the problem is that you don't realise how it sounds when it actually is spoken aloud, next time you do it I will video it and then you can see what I mean."

This was done to me when I went through a very negative phase of immediately putting DH down whenever he would suggest something. He called me on it but I didn't believe him and said he was being oversensitive and I was just being honest, and if he couldn't take it it was his problem blah blah. He said I couldn't hear myself and that he would video me next time, I just rolled my eyes secure in the knowledge that I would be entirely justified by the video.

The next time I did it he pulled out his phone and videoed me and watching it back was toe-curling - I sounded like this shrewish nasty person with a put down for everything. I work a lot harder now not to reject ideas or suggestions and not to be a know it all Blush

ageofgrandillusion · 25/06/2013 16:27

You have been at pains to point out how subtle the put downs are OP but I can tell you from personal experience that they can be the worst. Forget counselling, forget trying to change this vile, pathetic bully, tell him to go find somebody his own size to play out his pathetic frustrations. Wanker.

KeepCoolCalmAndCollected · 25/06/2013 20:38

Apologies haven't read everything, but this sounds like history repeating itself. With respect, stop pussy footing around your dh, and simply tell him that if he doesn't treat his own son with the love and respect he deserves, your ds will most likely end up hating him as he does his own father.

AuroraAlfresco · 25/06/2013 23:39

Thank you all for your continued advice - it is so valuable to me and I'm so glad I posted. I feel like I've got a strategy now.

Coupled with an attitude from dp that our (incredibly well behaved and lovely) children should be pulled up on everything they do and everything they say,

Peppermint, yes, DP can be like this, definitely.

Let me put it another way, so what if you are more sensitive than average on a global scale of sensitivity? Its you he's living with, not those others who might agree with him.

I agree, of course, SpiritedWolf, but to this I think he would suggest that I align myself with the majority of people and become less sensitive, as I'm obviously the weird one out of step with the rest, up here on the 91st centile on the sensitivity scale! (Not that I actually think that I'm any more sensitive than average at all, in reality ...)

Xiao thanks, I would in theory be up for that - warning him in advance - but it's impossible to know when he's going to come out with some remark and by the time I get the phone ready, the moment's passed, you know? It's not like he stands and rants at DS or anything like that. I will try and "accidentally" catch something in the background when I film the DCs, though ....

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