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Did I do the right thing going NC with my dad? How do I explain it to my DC?

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ihavearubbishdad · 16/06/2013 12:25

I've nc'd for this one.

There's a massive backstory to this but the jist of it is my dm left my df after a couple of decades of marriage - he rebounded and married the first woman he could find, who turned out to be a spiteful, insecure woman who went to great lengths to cut me and my sibling out of my dad's life.

He left her after a year of marriage and made the mistake of kindly telling me everything bad she had ever said or tried to do with us and then after playing the field for a couple of months and sleeping at my grandparents he realised something was better than nothing and went back to her. When I called him out on going back to a woman that he knew openly despised his kids, he flat out refused to believe he'd said anything and then refused to talk to me or see my then 1yo dc for an entire year.

After a few attempts on my part to sort the issue out we did start talking again. Fast forward a couple of years and we live 3 miles away from each other and I have another DC. He's turned out to be an appalling grandfather, will only see my DC's if he really has nothing else to do (mainly golf). They have recently adopted a child exactly the same age as my youngest and I have suggested a number of times that we get them together as they are now technically my sibling and I know very little of them and I thought it would be nice for my DC's to get to know them. But no, his wife has made it quite clear that she doesn't like me and doesn't want us to have anything to do with the child.

It's probably worth adding that when I was contacted by the social worker regarding the adoption that they'd lied about a lot of things - namely the level of contact they have with me and my DC's. They had said they saw us weekly, we had dinner there, went on days out etc, which was obviously lies as she's only seen my DC2 twice since birth (now well over 2). Obviously in the course of speaking to the SW this came out and the SW was 'very concerned' but it went through anyway. My dad has found out about the conversation and even though he hasn't challenged me on it, knowing he can't expect me to lie for him, he said he 'wasn't happy' with me not towing the line.

So, recently I asked my dad to babysit (third time in 6 years), he said yes and then pulled out the day he was meant to babysit because he has a sore throat - he's ill EVERY week so this is nothing new. I came to the conclusion that there was absolutely NO point in trying to continue the relationship, he will never consider me and my DC's a priority in his life, he doesn't call or visit for a cup of tea to see the DC's, he's only ever taken my eldest out once in 6 years. I've spoken to him umpteen times about trying do more as a family and he agrees but nothing ever happens and I'm pretty sick of being made to feel grateful for the scraps of time he gives up - I am constantly being hurt by his lack of interest in anything to do with us. If my youngest does something, his adopted child did it 6 months before and with bells and whistles on. I've told him it's not a competition and I'm just trying to bring him up to speed but he's never just listening - always just waiting for his turn to speak. I had to tell him SEVEN times we were going on holiday recently and each time it was like I'd never mentioned it - I had to go through the where, when, how long thing each time.

After the babysitting incident I emailed him and said how I felt and I thought it was best we stopped contacting each other. He never replied or picked the phone up to talk about it. The problem is that my eldest absolutely adores him - has talked non stop lately about when he'll be over to see them next etc. I've deflected the conversation because I simply don't know what to say.

Have I done the right thing? He's not inherently a bad person, just very very selfish and lives in perpetual fear of being on his own so will not rock the boat in terms of crossing his wife - if she says he has to go shopping instead of seeing us, then so be it. These are obviously his choices to make but I've lowered my expectations of him and even those aren't being met, he just doesn't care that much, I don't think Sad. How do I address it with my eldest? Should I allow him contact with them, but then how will that work with my youngest (who'd never have any relationship with him)?

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 16/06/2013 12:38

I don't know how old your eldest is. If he's very young .. under five... I'd carry on deflecting until he forgets about granddad & gets interested in something else. If he's a bit older than that I'd tell him a version of the truth i.e. that granddad has behaved badly, annoyed you very much and that he won't be around for a while.

I met one of my grandmothers only a few times growing up. When I was about 10 I was told why there was no contact... she was a nasty bully... and it didn't bother me in the slightest.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/06/2013 13:02

Yes you have done the right thing re this selfish individual.

You would not put up with this from a friend, family are truly no different.

He has not brought anything positive into your life and he has and won't bring anything at all positive into your childrens lives either.

jessjessjess · 16/06/2013 13:46

You have no obligation to stay in touch with a toxic relative just because you're related to them.

juneblues · 16/06/2013 14:02

I think whenever in situations like this you should always try and see the situation from all sides. If your dad is not violent towards you or your sons, then I cannot see why to cut contact. It's hard when someone so close has hurt you, but has your dad done anything to hurt your children?

At the moment, I think my in-laws are vile. Notice the work "I" in there. I feel like I never want them to see their grandchildren again for the hurt they have caused ME and their attempts to destroy our marriage (that hurts, given the fact they are upstanding and very active members of their local church but don't practice what they preach). But at the end of the day, they are our children's grandparents. I know deep in my heart, if an emergency came along, I would be still phoning them to ask for help for their grandchildren. Unfortunately they don't actually appear to want to see their grandchildren.

cassell · 16/06/2013 14:08

I've gone NC with my F recently too, similarish story his new W hates me and dsis, have tried hard over the years but got to the point recently when I realised that the dc (4 & 1) would be affected by his behaviour and actually I was better off going NC and protecting them and me from his bizarre and hurtful behaviour.

Ds1 has asked about his GD a few times but as he only saw him v infrequently anyway I have been able to deflect it. Eg when he asks when are we going to see GD I just say oh probably not for a while, when he asks why I say oh he lives a long way a way/he's busy etc. Ds1 has lost interest after that.

I find it a relief actually knowing that I don't need to worry about contact/what he'll do/say to me/whether I should do/say things etc.

Scruffey · 16/06/2013 15:38

I think you can continue to deflect the questions from your dc. You can say grandad is on holiday, busy, anything reality when questioned. After a while, dc will ask less frequently. I would not go into the NC stuff with a 6yo. I have a 5yo and a 7yo and what you say to that age group can be repeated and broadcast when you really don't want it to be. Plus, with this at group, you teach them that if they fall out with a friend, they apologise and say sorry etc and are friends again. It would be hard and upsetting for eldest particularly because he will prob ask you to forgive grandad etc! I have a similar situation, not grandparents though and do find this effective.

ihavearubbishdad · 16/06/2013 16:28

Thanks everybody - it's depressing to know so many of us have poor parents.

Eldest is almost 6 and I think would be upset if I explained the real reason we aren't seeing him.

June this is why I've struggled to make this decision, he's not directly hurt them yet, unless you count the broken promises and no interest in what they are doing. When he is here he'sgreat with them, which makes it all the more difficult. Ultimately though, he's hurt and shunned me too often now - at our recent wedding he used his speech to bring up our arguments and left after the meal because his wife wanted to, missing our first dance, cake cutting and entire evening reception. I think it highlights how he feels we rank in his life.

When does it get easier? Obviously it's Father's day today and I'm torn between feeling guilty he'll not get anything from me and thinking he doesn't deserve it. He was such a great, involved dad until my mum left - now he's been honest in saying that now I'm grown with kids of my own he doesn't feels he 'owes me' anything, emotionally or otherwise.

cassell I've blocked his numbers and on FB so the fear of hearing from him has gone - esp as he likes to rant, rave and swear at me if Idare question him. His favourite is 'I am your father and you will fucking listen to what I say after all I have done for you..yadda yadda'

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