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I cant see a way back... dh anger and behaviour taking us to the edge

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Chooster · 14/06/2013 23:00

Bit of back story... got together with dh 11 years ago. We lived very busy active lives in central london. Dh travelled abroad 2 weeks out of every 4 and when we were together we made the most of it and did lots, basically enjoyed each others company. Any slight concern I had about dh's temper was brushed away and we made an effort to avoid arguments.

2 years after meeting we had ds1 and moved 350miles north to another city - his home city and closer to my parents . I got a new great job and he started his own business.

Fast forward 9 years and we now have 3 ds... youngest 2.5yrs. I am still in my job which I love and get well paid. Dh's work is very up and down and he tops up with contract work... now to the heart of the problem...

Dh shouts and shouts all the time. His standards are just unrealistic in a house with 3 small children. He yells about the way they eat, not sitting nicely enough on the sofas, closing the kitchen cupboards or drawers too roughly, any mess, any noise... when they do something he disapproves of he yells and keeps saying "look me in the eye" to them, which is near impossible as the kids are intimidated. Each thing I mention in isolation probably doesnt sound that bad but it is constant constant nagging. He is also emotionally difficult with them. An example being asking ds1 to help him take the recycling out... ds1 didnt reply enthusiastically enough so dh says nastily and sarcastically "oh dont bother... well done ds1, thanks for all your help".

The atmosphere when he is around is just so tense. The kids dont want to be around him and want me to do everything. I get up with them every morning. The one time recently dh got up with ds3 the other 2 wouldnt gp downstairs. Dh has had to stop taking ds1 to football as that was a disaster... and I do anything to avoid dh having to deal with our kids friends as he tells them off too.

His nastiness extends to me as well. He has always complained I am a "messy bitch / cow / cunt". Which I really am not but I am a full time working mum with 3 kids... he says I have let myself go and is nasty about the fact that I have mild hearing problems. Yesterday he complained I was opening the back door using the key on my main key ring instead of the key above the back door. I said I didnt know it was kept there now. He then mocked me for either being a liar or deaf as he claimed to have told me it was there. The when I said I wss neither deaf nor a liar he said "yeah thats right you really are that stupid"... all this about using a key from the wrong place ffs..

I am just worn down by it - we row all the time and it must be horrible for the kids.

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CoolaSchmoola · 14/06/2013 23:05

He is abusing you and your children. Leave him now before he damages them more. He intimidates them? Shouts at them? That is abuse. They are frightened of someone who lives in the place where they should never feel scared.

Not to mention his abuse of you. Please, protect your children and yourself from this abusive bastard and get rid. You all deserve so much better.

Dilidali · 14/06/2013 23:06

You know, I would go ballistic if my children were terrorised like yours seem to be.
What do I need to tell you to make you realise he's abusive?

Chooster · 14/06/2013 23:15

I do go ballistic and thats why we argue constantly... I know he tries to manipulate things as he says "nothing I ever do is good enough in your eyes" and all you care about are the kids... the nub of the problem is that I think he values possessions over his kids happiness (and mine) and he says I dont care about anything but the kids. Stalemate... and a nasty stalemate at that

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Dilidali · 14/06/2013 23:20

Relate?

Dorange · 14/06/2013 23:21

LTB ASAP

Chooster · 14/06/2013 23:29

I have thought bout relate but I think its all just too late.. he still does show moments of kindness and plays with the kids but when he does play with them I am waiting for it to go wrong

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DialMforMummy · 14/06/2013 23:30

There's no love there, is there? I agree that this man is abusive to and you children and that you need to do some serious thinking about the future of your relationship.

DialMforMummy · 14/06/2013 23:32

Sorry cross post.

Awks · 14/06/2013 23:38

You poor soul, what an abysmal way to live. Can you face a split - if you can (and I really hope you have the will do do this now) then do it , if you cant plan to do it v soon. He sounds awful, really awful.

Jux · 15/06/2013 00:34

Please don't go to counselling with him - no counselling of any form. It is known that abusers take whatever comes out in counselling and use it against their victim. There is a post on a thread which explains it (I think it's posted by Atilla - she knows what she's talking about)? I'll see if I can find it.

You need to get away from him, and get the children away from him, quickly. You are all being badly damaged emotionally (at least!) by him. This is urgent, op. your children cannot grow up into well-balanced people with him around. You yourself will not be able to live a good and enjoyable life with him around.

I wish you the very best of everything; you can have it once he's out of your lives.

Document everything. Try not to react to his bullying. Maintain a dignified stance until you're gone.

Have you called Women's Aid? They can help you make a plan for leaving and give you support until you're ready.

TotallyBursar · 15/06/2013 01:03

You think that didn't sound bad in isolation? Shock Sad.

Please don't go near relate with him. Leave.
Of course you care more about the children - they're children.
Imo he is a nasty, bullying abusive man and you owe it to yourself and your children to go. None of you have sanctuary from his relentless attacks on you.

He won't leave, won't sort his issues out, won't get help because to his mind it's not him that's wrong here. He's angry, a 'temper' is a selfish and unpredictable thing.

Please have a look at Women's aid - you don't need to act immediately & I'm not talking in terms of 'do a midnight flit or else' but please read and truely absorb the information there and also how they can help.

MadameBlavatsky · 15/06/2013 01:19

Please get you and your kids away from him, as soon as you can. This is abuse, Womens Aid can help you get away. Nobody should EVER speak to you or your kids like that.

Angry on your behalf.

Chooster · 15/06/2013 07:20

I seem to have two threads... but I dont want to leave this one hanging with no reply. Thanks for the advice...

Seeing the strength of reply made me go back and re-read my original post to see if I had over played it but I havent. He does speak like that... and it jas got to a point that he sometimes eats away from the kids as he cant stand the way they are.

The thing is I know they are normal good kids... I see others kids and see they also do things not sit straight etc...

The only thing is the shouting is not constant but it happens every time he is not happy about something. Which is multiple times a day... there are calm times in between. But the tension for me at least is constant.

I would never leave our home... the kids have all their friends very local and financially I can support them and me without input from dh.. he would have to leave amd during a recent row he said he never would...

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NeedlesCuties · 15/06/2013 07:26

(I've also posted on your other thread, but saw this one too).

Of course DH said during a row that he wouldn't leave, that's one more bullet he can use against you.

Do you ever go out as a family? What is he like in public? Or is he just this angry and scary in private?

I second contacting Women's Aid, they hear about fuckers like this every day.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/06/2013 07:47

What do you get from this relationship now, what is currently keeping you within all this dysfunction?.

The signs of trouble re him were there all those years ago; you saw his temper then and went out of your way to both minimise and avoid arguments. That was the first red flag. I only suppose you stayed with him in the hopes he would change. No, these men do not change.

These inadequate men all say that their life will be over (controlling tactic) and won't leave the family home as yet another control mechanism used to keep their victims in check. I use the word victims as your children are also involved here. These are all ultimately empty threats said by such people.

Like all abusers as well, he is doing the nice/nasty cycle. Now he is in the "nice" phase. It will not last, this cycle is a continuous one.

Absolute no as well to any joint counselling as he will a) not want to go along anyway because he at heart thinks he is doing nothing wrong here and b) he could well make all the abuse meted out to be all your fault.

Joint counselling is never recommended where there is ongoing abuse due to the above. Also no decent counsellor would ever counsel the two of you together.

Your DH is horrid to all you people and its no wonder at all the children do not want anything to do with him. Listen to what they are telling you here.

It is indeed horrible - and damaging - for them and you to stay within such an atmosphere. It will indeed mess them up bigtime if you were to stay. You do not want them to ask (if you did stay) why you put him instead of them and if you did say that you stayed for them, they will just call you plain daft. It will also effect your own relationship with them as well, they could hate you for staying.

Longer term and once he is gone from your day to day lives, I would suggest you enrol on Womens Aid Freedom Programme as such men can and do take time, years even, to recover from.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 15/06/2013 07:48

Seek legal advice too re the finances and children with regards to divorce asap. Some solicitors do have a 30 minute free consultation.

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