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I'm being unfair I think. Long long long, sorry.

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ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 11/06/2013 15:48

I'm having a bit of a wobble today. Am happily married; DH is a lovely kind man who has supported me through lots, loves to treat me and indulge my whims, loves me and DS, provides for us without being all 'I'm the breadwinner!', is sensible with money and plans for all eventualities. It sounds like a stealth boast, but he really is a genuinely wonderful person. He's a better person than me I think (though he wouldn't agree).

Anyway, the backstory is that we have a DS who is 18m. He's lovely, was actually quite an 'easy' baby and though he is a bit of a handful as a toddler, I think all toddler are to some extent. Even though he was an easy baby, I think we both found the transition to parenthood really really hard. DH is very much a co-parent, down to sharing night time waking and lie-ins equally, he does the lion's share of the grunt work (nappies etc) at the weekends (I work P/T, he works F/T normal hours) and has done his bath and put DS down to bed every night since he was about 5 months old, excepting the few nights here and there where he's out or away. He's not one for going out at nights much, and we both do about the same amount of drinking/going out socially. He does work away occasionally. I'm just trying to say that he's as much a parent as me, and though I spend more time with DS, when he is here he is here, not just a 'fun dad'. DH did not especially enjoy having a baby; he found it really really hard not knowing what to do half the time, still struggles with the lack of sleep and the limitations that having a child puts on your life and felt that he didn't really get anything out of having a tiny baby except worrying constantly that the baby was OK. He enjoys it much more now DS is older and says he likes it more and more each day as DS learns new things and is more fun to be around. He has always loved him, but now he 'likes' him more? Does that make sense? I get what he means because babies aren't the most interesting of creatures to me either, but toddlers are actually really fun 98% of the time.

ANYWAY, I'm getting to my point. Before having DS, DH was ambivalent about having children. He said he was happy either way, but if I wanted one, he would have one. He's happy we have DS, though gets little pangs of wistfulness for how easy our life was before. But the catch is that we always agreed on just having one. I was dead set on just having one, DH only wanted one. We can have a much nicer quality of life with just one (think not having as nice holidays and generally not stressing about money rather than 'can we afford the heating if we have another?'). Except over the past couple of months I have started to feel more and more like I want to have another child. I could happily skip over the first 9 months, but I would just love to have another, to see DS with a sibling, and because I just don't feel like our family is finished.

I tried to broach it with DH recently. I think it must have come as a big shock because I had always been vocal about only wanting one, being happy it was just the three of us etc. He just shut the conversation down straight away. He doesn't want another, we aren't having another. I know all the practical points, why it would be easier if we didn't. But still... I want another. And now I don't know what to do. I don't want to push him and pressure him into it because a) it's just not fair and b) I know he would give in eventually because he genuinely wants to make me happy, and then every time he got stressed about the baby or tired I would know that it was my fault. Part of me thinks I should just leave it alone and bring it up in a few years (I'm not 30 yet so we have some time), but that's just like hoping he will change his mind and if he doesn't I might resent him for something that isn't his fault? Do I just need to be happy with what I have and accept that just because I want something, doesn't mean that I should have it. Most of my friends who are now on No2 just said that their partners weren't that involved in the grunt work of childrearing so were more open to having more, or were involved but had always wanted more.

I don't really know what I want/need people to say to this. I just needed to get it all out really.

Disclaimer - I know a couple of MNetters as friends IRL and have a family member on here. I obviously don't mind them knowing, but please don't take it over to FB.

Massive Wine if you made it through this epic self indulgent post.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/06/2013 15:55

I think you should be happy with what you have but try to persuade your DH at the same time. Not to the point of pressurising or being unpleasant about it, obviously, just choose your moments e.g. when DS is being particularly adorable. An 18m baby is still pretty tiring and expensive but, in a year or so, things might look easier

EhricLovesTeamQhuay · 11/06/2013 16:00

I think you shouldn't mention it for a year. Then bring it up, but keep it light. No emotional blackmail or drama. In a year the memories of the baby stage will be fading and your ds will be even more interesting than he is now. You also need to work on being happy with one though, whatever you do, don't let this ruin your relationship.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 11/06/2013 16:07

Thanks. I am lucky, our relationship is solid and I don't want to spoil it by making unfair demands. I'm just having a weird wobble today I think. I'm the one who wants to move the goal posts, I need to remember that.

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NatashaBee · 11/06/2013 16:12

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ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 11/06/2013 16:17

Can't really move - both our jobs are here, as is our house and all our friends. We get a lot of support from my inlaws and my parents even though they live a couple of hours away. DS goes to a brilliant nursery as well.

Thanks for reading, think I just needed to get it all out so I could look at it all a bit more objectively.

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Vivacia · 11/06/2013 16:24

Keep talking. Although you've had time to come to terms with your change of heart it must have been a bolt out of the blue for him.
Be prepared that the resolution might be you have just the one child rather than you get your way eventually.

I absolutely think you shouldn't get pregnant without his consent.

DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 11/06/2013 17:38

Show him some only children. That'll help.

We wanted more than one, but after DD was born I worked for 11 days out of every fortnight for 18 months (EBF). Another child that early would have broken us.

And then our fertility, already marginal, collapsed.

Work on him gently.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 11/06/2013 19:34

Yeah, getting pregnant without him knowing is not an option I would ever consider.

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RandomMess · 11/06/2013 19:38

I would say to your DH "I know you don't want to consider having another child but as my partner I need to be able to talk to you about how I feel about it" not being able to talk about it with him is a big deal IMHO and could lead to big resentment further down the line.

LoSiento · 11/06/2013 19:56

Don't assume it is possible to persuade him. And don't have another unless he is totally happy about it. Pressuring him would be very unfair.

scorpianking · 12/06/2013 09:39

It's not unreasonable to change your mind, but a huge decision like this can only be made with an agreement by both parties. Don't let your hormones/biological urges get in the way of rational thinking about the situation, which is that you currently have a strong relationship and lovely little family. You still have plenty of time at your age, and bigger age gaps can be much better for the dc imo.

As well as ensuring you don't deliberately fall pg, it's good to review your contraception at this stage, because it's not unusual for women in your situation to let their subconscious wishes dictate just how careful they are! Even a genuinely accidental pg could arouse suspicion in your DH after the discussions you've had, so it's good to make sure you're on the most reliable form you can use (the pill has a pretty poor track record amongst my friends, LARCs are far better) and keeping a supply of MAP in case of any accidents Smile

Bumpsadaisie · 12/06/2013 09:48

Wait a bit and keep talking. By the time your DS is three it will all be a lot easier.

My DH and I are thinking about no.3. But we've shelved the idea as with dd just 4 and DS 19 mths it's just too much to contemplate right now. But in a year DS will be much more independent and not far off going to preschool and then we would be better equipped to cope.

It'd still be mad tho ...Wink

delilahlilah · 12/06/2013 09:57

I think you are being quite rational and fair about this. Great advice from RnadomMess. You do need to be able to discuss it. Especially if you go down the route of, 'this is not something immediate, but a longer term view'.
Do you or DH have siblings?

Hullygully · 12/06/2013 10:03

The trouble is that people's minds do change, as do feelings etc.

You could point out that it is actually a lot easier having two children, especially if they are close in age, as they entertain each other and play together, so that at weekends/on holiday etc, you actually get more childfree time.

Having a big age gap doesn't work, it's like two onlies.

Also, I have always thought it nice to have more than one so they have an ally and someone to help when the parents get old.

Snazzywaitingforsummer · 12/06/2013 10:03

Fortunately time is on your side so I agree with the advice to leave this for a bit - but also what RandomMess says. You do need to be able to talk about these things and not just have discussion shut down.

ifyourehoppyandyouknowit · 12/06/2013 10:36

Thank you for all the kind advice. I think I will try and discuss it with him soon, just so he knows how I'm feeling. If he's still set on just having one, then that is how it is. It's not something that would make me reconsider our relationship iyswim; his feels are as valid as mine. I would like DS to have a sibling, I'm one of two, as is DH and I just want him to have someone else. It's no guarantee they will be close, but I'd like for him to have the chance of a close sibling relationship.

I suppose I just look at it that the limitations on what we can do (which I think is his big issue, as well as reducing our financial freedom) probably wouldn't be that much increased with having another. But I'll just wait and see what he says. He might have other reasons for saying no that he just hasn't voiced yet.

Thanks again, and I just want to be clear that there is no chance in hell of me getting pregnant accidentally or 'accidentally', we are, and have always been very very careful. DH is a planner, and we're just not ones to take any risks on stuff like that. If the conclusion to all this is no more babies, I'll probably get the mirena.

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fabergeegg · 12/06/2013 19:39

Your love for your DP is a beautiful thing. And his for you. It's great that time is on your side. If it were me, I would keep sharing how you're feeling, but not in a very heavy way. I think it's reasonable that having a child has altered the landscape for you - you didn't know how you were going to feel as a mother before. Now you do.

I find it hard to believe that your DP will not, at some stage, consent to another when he considers your child's situation as the two of you get older.

springytate · 12/06/2013 20:10

Well, you've planted the seed. yy he shut it down immediately because it was unexpected. But ime, men respond to 'seeds' and think about it. He'll be thinking about it - maybe in a distant way, a way he doesn't even recognise, but the seed is germinating. Leave it for a bit and test the waters in a while.

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