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Can't stop arguing

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confused123 · 10/06/2013 11:01

So OH and I just can't seem to stop arguing at the moment which is really getting me down, especially as I'm 12 weeks pg. We had the scan last week, everything was fine (phew!) so this should be a really happy time for us. But all we ever do is bicker and fight, it's really getting me down and now I'm worrying that we're bringing a baby into a war zone. To an extent, I'm starting to think it's our MO. We're both very fiery personalities and I suspect we'll always have our fair share of rows. I just want a more peaceful life and don't know how to make that happen. We don't live together, partly this is for financial reasons but partly it's also because of all the arguments. I was relieved when he went home last night, which isn't good.

On one level the arguments are all about really petty things but on the other hand, I feel there's something deeper going on and that all the arguments are about something much deeper. We bicker a lot, don't seem to have much fun together and every few weeks an argument will escalate into something huge. Which we always end up sorting out and promise each other things will be different and we'll both stop doing xyz, but it never lasts.

I know relationships are hard and I don't expect it to be a bed of roses all the time. But I'm worried that, if things are this bad now, how much worse are they going to be when bean comes along with all the attendant stresses and sleep deprivation that's going to bring.

So one thing that seems to be going on at the mo is I feel quite bullied by him. I've never found it easy to apologise for stuff and I am aware this is a fault. But he's doing this thing at the moment where he demands apologies for stuff which just puts me on the defensive and makes it almost impossible for me to apologise. Like I know I should and it would make things better but it's physically impossible to get the words out. and him standing over me badgering me and insisting I apologise just makes it harder. And often its' about what I regard as really petty stuff and it bugs me that he can't ever just let some stuff slide. He's a teaching assistant and sometimes I feel like one of his pupils, like it's his mission in life to pull me up on every little thing I do wrong and make me apologise for it like a naughty child. And it feels like, instead of letting some stuff slide like I do or waiting for an apology, he jumps down my throat the minute I do something he doesn't like and badgers and bullies me until I apologise. A few times this has happened where I was literally about to send him a text to say sorry and I've received some horrible sarcastic passive aggressive text from him which just pisses me right off and leaves me feeling attacked and defensive instead of apologetic. I have tried to explain this to him but haven't got anywhere.

e.g. yesterday I got out of the car and closed the door a bit too hard. I didn't slam it on purpose, just a bit harder than he likes, he's got a real thing about it. As I walked past the car he had a go at me about it. When I got back in the car he said it again and I said I'd heard him the first time. To which he said "well don't you think you should apologise?" Is it just me or is this really petty? I didn't do it in purpose, it's not a big deal, does it really need an apology? He knows I find it hard to apologise and badgering me like this and insisting on apologies for stupid stuff like this seems really pointless and mean to me. So I lost my temper and said if that's how it was going to be it was going to work both ways and I was going to insist he apologise for everything he did wrong from now on, starting with him having had a go at me that morning for waking him up. He did eventually apologise for that but not until we'd argued about it for ages and I'd ended up crying.

I've just suggested we go for couples counselling. Not that we can afford it but I don't see any other options at this point. It feels like we've done nothing but argue for months now and something needs to change. I know Relate offer discounted therapy dependent on your income but honestly I don't rate them, been here before! Sad

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/06/2013 07:58

" Rather than get into it with him there and then I told him I thought it best we don't discuss it again until Thursday and I need some space."

Why keep the door open? If this was anyone else sending 'pathologising' texts (sorry, don't know what that means but it sounds provocative/offensive) would you be saying you'd discuss it later in the week or would you tell them to piss off permanently? You seem determined to keep making allowances for this man for no other reason than he's impregnated you.

Pinkflipflop · 11/06/2013 08:04

Was this baby planned?

Why are you bringing a child into this situation? Your relationship is not normal and most couples do not bicker all the time.

You need to get this sorted before the baby comes, as you say it is grossly unfair to bring a child into a war zone.

confused123 · 11/06/2013 08:18

You may be right. Think he's trying to push my buttons already, he's just texted to tell me he doesn't feel like coming to my god-daughter's birthday party this weekend. Presumably this is an attempt to piss me off and/or start a row. Usually when he stays away I argue and guilt trip him into staying. Since I don't really care now I've said that's fine and he should do whatever he thinks best. Staying away from the party has just turned into staying away all weekend. Same response from me. He's trying to draw me into some stupid psychological game but I'm not playing.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/06/2013 08:32

So end it.. properly. When it's over there's far less opportunity for psychological games, the parties and weekends are all your own and your life will be very peaceful and argument-free. You will need to find other channels for your energy and attention so that you are not tempted to get back into this text-swapping version Punch & Judy Show. If you don't care any more, end it and move on.

confused123 · 11/06/2013 08:33

Like I said I'm just not prepared to give up on our relationship. We were very happy once and if there's any chance we can be again I'm going to try. Pathologising means saying there's something wrong with you, e.g. the reason our relationship is fucked is because you're mad / angry / a bitch etc. rather than addressing the real reasons.

Baby wasn't really planned, we'd stopped ttc cos we weren't getting on, did it once and there you go. Termination isn't an option

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/06/2013 08:46

If you walk away from someone who is subjecting you to abuse ... and calling you a mad bitch is pretty abusive.... it is not 'giving up', it is a 'smart move' that will restore your confidence and self-respect.

oldwomaninashoe · 11/06/2013 09:07

Have you tried having 48 hours where both of you, when you get mad /riled/cross just stop for a minute take a breath and say "I refuse to get angry/be affected by that" and don't respond to "button pushing"

Try it, if it descends into rows, then there is no hope for you.
Quite frankly you sound as bad as each other, and completely unsuited.

As others have said is this the sort of atmosphere you want to bring a baby into.
Your arguments sound immature, and the fact that neither of you realise this or can let go of trivial matters (like the car door incident) and let it escalate speaks volumes.

You are about to become parents, quit with the name calling and temper tantrums and grow up!

confused123 · 11/06/2013 09:32

I totally agree Oldwoman. We're bringing out the worst in each other. That's what I'm doing today, staying totally calm and not getting involved in the games. Which has made him really suspicious. It's a right old mess, no two ways about it.

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DisgraceToTheYChromosome · 11/06/2013 11:15

Of course he's suspicious. He isn't able to control your mood.

When he gets you to shout back, in his mind you've lost.

Keep it up.

confused123 · 11/06/2013 11:17

I know, I'm doing well so far. Just have to keep calm and not rise to the bait. He's trying his best to get a response from me, just ignoring him now.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 11/06/2013 12:38

Ignoring him is rising to the bait, ironically. Tit for tat stuff. Because this is an on-going relationship rather than an ex-relationship, all you're achieving by ignoring him is posturing and point-scoring. Nothing more constructive than that, sadly. I think you're still hoping that if you change something about yourself e.g do X or don't do Y, adopt a certain attitude, ignore, be more assertive or 'keep calm' etc., some magical switch will flip and he'll suddenly stop being a knob. It's back to that unfortunate crap you've been fed about relationships being hard work.

confused123 · 12/06/2013 14:49

I haven't been ignoring him completely, just the shitty angry texts which seemed to be working quite well. Until today, it's all gone tits up. I haven't got angry or abusive back, just pointed out that the constant barrage of angry texts is abusive and bullying and asked him to stop for the sake of our child if not for me. Needless to say it hasn't but I've blocked his number now. Tbh I'm at my wit's end with it all now. I won't go into all the details, I'm too tired and upset. Just coming on here for a bit of moral support. I'm worried about what all this upset is doing to my baby. I'm crying and upset ALL the time and not sleeping properly. What I wouldn't give for a stiff drink and a valium right now! Urgh. I've got my first pg yoga class tonight and went to normal yoga on Monday which was nice. So how bad is being constantly upset for your baby?

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/06/2013 14:56

Babies are remarkably tough things, don't worry, but pregnant women need extra care and to stay calm or they can get sick. This is meant to be a happy time of your life, bonding with your baby in the womb, making preparations and thinking about the future. Anyone subjecting you to abuse or bullying behaviour does not deserve to be part of your life. Glad you've blocked his number. Hope it's a permanent arrangement.

confused123 · 12/06/2013 15:00

Thanks. Worrying though about all the cortisol that must be building up in my body. I've read that the more stressed you are in pregnancy, the more prone to anxiety and other crap your child will be. I feel like I'm failing as a mum already and it's not even fucking born yet. I can't see any way for us to stay together, he's been such a cunt these past couple of days. Excuse my language but sometimes there's just no better way to describe some people. I'm exhausted, thinking about taking some time off work but if I do will probably just end up sitting around the house crying. At least at work I'm slightly distracted. Mind you, plenty to be done at home!

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/06/2013 15:06

What is the point of blaming yourself already for something (someone in fact) that hasn't even happened yet? You've ditched him now, you're only 12 weeks gone, and you've got the thick end of six months to stay away from him, find some calm, enjoy the experience, do more Yoga, get to know your baby etc. If you're tired, take some time out. But think of something nice to do and people to be with rather than wallowing at home. It's summer, the weather's shaping up.... a train to the coast and a walk along the beach with an ice-cream might help you relax

confused123 · 12/06/2013 15:12

No point at all, just feeling sorry for myself today. I haven't ditched him (yet). Don't have a go at me please, I need to do this in my own time if that is what I'm going to do. Fuck knows, it's all such a mess. Wow, never even occurred to me to go away for the day. Think it would depress the shit out of me going alone but everything seems depressing today so maybe not.

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minkembernard · 12/06/2013 15:18

Sorry OP. that sounds tough. I am afraid to tell you this sounds almost exactly like my take on my rs with my now ex. I thought we were the problem. I kept thinking if only we discussed thing differently. it was not until the very (bitter) end that I finally realised the reason for the arguments for him, was to have an argument as he was abusive and that is how he made sure his needs got met before everyone else's.

I hope your dp is not abusive but in case he is do some reading now (I suggest you check out the emotional abuse thread which has many useful links if you have not already done so) it might save yourself years of heartache and trying to fix a broken situation if you work that out sooner rather than later. and if he is not abusive then you will know it is worth doing some work. but with an abusive man all your work will before no good. you cannot change him.

also it is worth reading up as if he is abusive, relate will not help. it may make it worse. so you need to be forewarned.

sorry to be the bearer of gloomy tidings (but i wish someone had told me sooner) and congratulations on your pgSmile

minkembernard · 12/06/2013 15:19

of course you need to do it in your own time.
really do try the emotional abuse support thread- you will be among friends. they will be there for you if you do decide to LTB or if you want to try to make it work, or whatever you need.

confused123 · 12/06/2013 15:47

Thanks Minke, finding it very hard to accept and upsetting to think that I'm in an abusive relationship. Pretty much every one of these applies to us though

www.hiddenhurt.co.uk/verbal_abuse.html

I just can't believe it, how can this have happened to me? God help me I'm even thinking whether I even want to continue with this pg. It doesn't feel like a gift at all any more. If I wasn't so ancient (35) I'm not sure I'd keep it.

I keep thinking back now over stuff that's happened throughout our relationship and it's like I'm seeing it with new eyes. I won't even go into it cos I'm too embarrassed.

I remember when a friend of mine got v pissed off with her (now) DH. She left him for a while and wasn't going to go back. He moved heaven and earth to get her back and addressed the issues she was pissed off about, namely him partying too hard, staying out etc. What he didn't do is blame her for everything and say it was all her fault. I've told him today that I feel abused and bullied by him, that his behaviour is upsetting me greatly and that this is not good for our baby. His only response has been righteous indignation, anger and abuse. Surely any sane man in his shoes would be mortified and upset and want to make things better right? There was a time when if I was upset about something, he would be upset too and want to make it better. Now he just looks at me like I'm nothing and says it's my fault for dumping him so many times.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/06/2013 16:13

"Surely any sane man in his shoes would be mortified and upset and want to make things better right?"

Replace 'sane' with 'decent' and you're about right. It is deeply embarrassing as well as shocking to realise you've been conned into believing you had a proper relationship when all you've been is groomed by a bully into tolerating his crap .... I know, I've been there. It's tough to understand this kind of behaviour because you would never, in a million years, treat anyone that way. You'd never be that cruel or manipulative.

This type of man isn't decent at all and, unlike your friend's DH, isn't about to suddenly sort himself out, accept responsibility, grow up and become all peaches and cream just because there's a baby on the way. He was nice to you in the past because it got him whatever it was he wanted. Now it's all too much trouble.... CBA....

I'm not having a go at you, I'm just urging you to see this man for what he is and what he will always be. A selfish bully. Imagine this kind of rubbish still going on when you've been up all day and all night with a new baby and you can't think straight let alone fight back.... it'll kill you.

minkembernard · 12/06/2013 20:36

yup I've been there too. it is mortifyingand must be especially difficult i your circumstances.
but yes you are right, if he blames you for his behavjour that is pretty much the definition of abuse. and so you have to accept not only will he not change he will most likely get worse. mine cranked it up to a whole new level when the dcs came along.

hugs.
maybe it is time to speak to WA.
one thing I know they do do is if you decide to go thru with the pg they can put you in touch with the doula network so you don't have to do that alone.

and if you feel ready to come onto the suport thread so you know you are not alone and there are many woman who fall into a relationship that turns abusive (boiled frog effect)

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