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Is this inappropriate or are my hormones going haywire?

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NoisyBrain · 01/06/2013 13:09

First ever MN post - be gentle with me!
Sorry this may be an essay, but I want to give enough context and not drip feed.

Been with DP for nearly 5 years. I would say we have a good, healthy relationship. I'm 26 weeks pg and he has been really lovely and supportive all the way through, practically and emotionally (tells me how gorgeous I am etc etc).

Yesterday, for reasons best known to my subconscious brain (the noisy part!), I snooped through DP's Facebook messages. He has given me NO cause to want to do this, I've never done it before and I genuinely don't know why I did - unless you count the horrible dream I had the other night where he dumped me?!

Anyway, I saw a message thread between him and one of his female friends and decided, stupidly, to read it. Most of the thread was exactly as I'd have expected. DP is naturally quite charming and flirty with women and it doesn't bother me at all eg. he calls my friends things like 'sweetie' or 'lovely girl' in front of me and hugs them, and always puts kisses and smileys on Facebook posts to them. The thing that started to grate with me on this particular thread with his friend, and I hope I can explain this clearly, was that each time a new chain of messages started it seemed to be HIM starting it off in a flirty tone, rather then say, them having general chitchat and a flirty comment cropping up along the way.

So, we come to the message that has lead me to join Mumsnet after months of lurking and ask for input from the wise ladies within. One day last March DP had started a conversation with this friend by telling her he'd had a dream about her the night before, which was nice (his words). She asked what it was about and he said something along the lines of 'Err, well let's just say you were great :-)'. To be fair to her, she just replied saying something about how he'd made her blush, but by now I felt like I'd been punched in the stomach. The most recent messages between them were from a few months ago where she sent him her new mobile number (I'm assuming he'd asked for it) and him telling her about the baby. Basically back to the kind of tone of the earlier stuff.

DP happened to come back from the shops just as I'd finished reading, so of course knew something was wrong. I told him what I'd done. I apologised for snooping but said what I'd found had punished me big time and I wish I hadn't. He was visibly shaken and told me there is nothing to worry about wrt this friend, it was just their usual 'banter'. I said that surely he'd feel the same way about the 'dream' message if it was the other way around. He agreed he would and was doing his best to reassure me there's nothing going on. As it happens I believe him, in that I don't think he's actually up to anything with her, but his idea of what constitutes acceptable 'banter' with a friend clearly differs from mine quite drastically!!

What bothers me is 1) the content of the message and 2) the fact that HE instigated the conversation about it. I don't care if he has a dirty dream about someone else, it happens to us all, but to private message them specifically to tell them about it AND add the little detail about how great it was? That's crossing a line IMO, regardless of whether or not I should have been in blissful ignorance of it. If SHE had started the subject I don't think I'd have been half as bothered (subject to his response).

DP knows my XH cheated on me, that's basically why we divorced. Much of my ex's affair was conducted via text and DP and I have had MANY conversations about my issues with trusting people, especially wrt to being hyper-sensitive over things like text and private messages. Ffs, he went through it with his ex too. I feel so hurt and I've been tearful on and off since last night, though trying to hide it. I think as far as DP is concerned we've discussed it now and he's trying to act as normal, being all lovely. But I can't act normal. Noisy brain is now wondering if he's been texting her this kind of flirty shit as well...

So, am I over-reacting? I'm 39, I'm too old for this kind of crap and I hate drama, but my hormones are making me feel like a deranged teenager :-( Please feel free to pass me a grip if needed. Help.

OP posts:
MadAboutHotChoc · 01/06/2013 21:04

Yup, the only reason why a 45 year old married man with a baby on the way would message a 25 year old woman about his dirty dream and how good she was in it is to get her in his bed....otherwise why bother Hmm

itsn0tmeitsyou · 01/06/2013 21:09

I don't think it's definite. Therefore I don't think telling OP it's definite is the right thing to do. I genuinely think some men might, for some reason, believe it might be 'amusing' to tell someone this. Perhaps the fact that he told her even reveals that, otherwise, he might have kept it to himself. If you imagine telling one of your male friends that, can you imagine them messaging back along the lines of 'oh yeah, baby, let's meet up tonight!!!' then?? Or would they just laugh it off?!!

badinage · 01/06/2013 21:22

If I messaged one of my male friends like that, they would think I'd seriously lost the plot, so they would do neither. They'd be more inclined to ring me out of concern for my mental stability, while feeling very sorry for my husband that I was doing something so horribly disrespectful.

Being not that much older than the bloke in this scenario, if I messaged a twenty-something man along those lines, there would be only two reasons for it. Either I'd lost my mind or I wanted to divest him of his underwear. I wouldn't insult my partner's intelligence by trying to pass it off as 'banter'.

Vivacia · 01/06/2013 21:28

I don't think this is a hanging offence. I think the OP should take him at his word if she has no other indication that he isn't a good partner and father.

I also take exception to the comments such as "sometimes people are stupid. Especially men" and "lots of attached men would like to have sex with a woman in her twenties".

itsn0tmeitsyou · 01/06/2013 22:46

people are different. some most virtually all people wouldn't dream of sending such a message. but I still think that it takes all sorts to make the world go round and with the only context OP has given, that he is generally quite flirty and overfamiliar, it is not as much of a stretch to believe he might not have realised the level of inappropriateness, compared to a more serious-minded/formal character.

Lweji · 02/06/2013 06:46

Yes, there are all sorts of people.
People who respect their partners and people who go about chancing it with other people and those who end up having affairs.

Personally, without the pregnancy, or other commitments I think I'd drop this guy on the spot.
Some people may be like that but they wouldn't be the right person for me.
With the pregnancy, I might give him a chance but he'd have to tone down the banter and flirtation a lot, and be much more open about his phone and fb.

Noisybrain, you have to decide what is acceptable for you and what you can live with.
You can't police him and you should be able to trust him to be in a relationship with him.
You should put pregnancy and other issues at the back of your mind and ask yourself if you can trust him.

Jengnr · 02/06/2013 07:14

I don't think it's anything tbh. It's inappropriate, sure, but I reckon I've had a similar conversation with a male friend (instigated by me) and it was utterly meaningless.

unapologetic · 02/06/2013 07:22

I think it's relevant that he contacted the friend first to tell her about his 'dream.' It's not as if it came up within a conversation that got a bit flirty. He was trying it on and I feel sorry for her.

itsn0tmeitsyou · 02/06/2013 09:46

Jengnr I don't think I've had a conversation with a friend like it, but I can well imagine doing so, and still knowing that it meant nothing and I didn't want to actually jump in the sack. Some of us are just less serious and more naturally inappropriate, and as a result can occasionally get into unintentional trouble, offending people where we had no intention, as a result.

itsn0tmeitsyou · 02/06/2013 09:47

as a result as a result as a result :)

Jengnr · 02/06/2013 10:08

Yeah. I get you. If I have a sex dream about someone I know I piss myself when I realise and tell them. I know I'm not alone on this because I remember our team pissing themselves about someone else's sex dream about a colleague.

I can see why the OP is upset but I honestly think it's something and nothing.

Vivacia · 02/06/2013 10:14

Eww, I read that literally.

Jengnr · 02/06/2013 10:15

Hahaha!

No, definitely not literal. That would have been a very specialist sex dream indeed.

NoisyBrain · 02/06/2013 11:50

itsn0tmeitsyou wow, you're pretty much spot on with your interpretation of my DP's general character. Have you met him?! Smile

I'm honestly not blinkered to the negatives of this situation (or I wouldn't have posted), but in the general context of his personality I am as sure as I can be that this wasn't/isn't anything more that a foolish and inappropriate comment. I totally get that for some people this would be a deal-breaker.

FWIW I think this friend hero worships him a little and he encourages that. With my amateur psychologists hat on, I think he's really insecure about getting older and seeks the ego boost of a little female attention to prove he's still 'got it' (his cheeky flirty thing was v popular with the ladies in his younger day). He also seems happier hanging out with younger male friends. Yes I realise that makes him sound like a bit of a sad old twat.

Lweji yy, I have to decide what is acceptable, speak out if/when something isn't, as I have done on this occasion, and decide if I can trust him enough to let something like this go. You're right I CAN'T police him and I wouldn't want to, it's the path to madness.

I forget who asked upthread, but he IS (present issue excepted) a fantastic partner. He's made me feel even more special, looked after and adored throughout my pregnancy. I've also seen first hand that he's a good father (he has a DS and DSS from the relationship with his ex).

Thanks for all your responses, a pretty diverse range of opinions but nothing that's freaked me out. I've been lurking around MN long enough to know that people don't mince their words Wink

OP posts:
Boosterseat · 03/06/2013 10:21

YANBU

I once had a sexual dream about someone i work with, i would never in a million years discussed it with him - I would look like a complete wierdo and it is just not appropritate.

Also Hmm at the "lots of attached men would like to have sex with a woman in her twenties" - please rephrase as "lots of attached knobheads would like to have sex with a women in her twenties" please dont cast generalisations about men about like this, it gives the good ones a bad name. Knobheads dont need excuses about "male instincts" to add to their arsenal of bullshit excuses - they really are just knobheads.

OctopusPete8 · 03/06/2013 10:25

That dream message is totally innapropriate you are not overreacting at all. Sorry you're going through this op.

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