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Talk to me about men. It's like being 15 all over again.

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IWouldIfICouldButICant · 23/05/2013 21:59

I'm sorry, this is an epic, and it sounds like something in a teen mag problem page but I don't know what to do...I've also namechanged in case my sister is reading this!!

I've been divorced for four years since my ratbag ex walked out. Nothing since then but the occasional random fling. I'm definitely ready for something a little more meaningful.

I have a good male friend, who I have known for years. I was good friends with his wife at university - she died in a car crash about three years ago - and he, she, my ex and I were all part of a large group of friends who spent a lot of time together, and who still do (not the ex, he's not around). Those relationships are really important to me - I would not want to do anything to put that at risk or create a situation that would make anyone feel uncomfortable.

Over the last 18 months, he and I have been spending increasingly large amounts of time together. We are both very into music, and go to a lot of gigs together. We also both love mountain biking, and there's no one else I know who really is interested, so we tend to do it together at the weekend.

My sister is convinced that he is interested in me - I got an email a while ago from him suggesting that we go on a mountain biking holiday in Sardinia this summer at Easter while my dcs were with their dad. I'd vaguely mentioned I was thinking about doing something like this a couple of months ago, but hadn't made any plans - this was his idea. I couldn't do the week he suggested because of work commitments, but we've agreed to go this summer.

We never say goodbye to each other without making plans for when we are next going to see each other. My dsis says he is also shy (which is true) and would be worried about my reaction if he made a move and I didn't want him to. She doesn't believe in the idea that men and women can just be friends, and she is convinced that if he is this keen to spend time with me, he has an ulterior motive. She is, however, not the most reliable judge of character and does get a bit overexcited about things like this. I also think if he was interested, he'd be getting in touch more often - texts, emails etc. - he doesn't really unless it's to arrange a get together.

So I have no idea how he feels and think the whole holiday thing could well just be him thinking it would be fun and we'd have a good time (which it will be and we will).

However, I think I am starting to fall for him. I know him well, and I really really like him - we never run out of things to say and we get on brilliantly. He's gentle, and funny, and kind and not terribly confident. But I can't bring myself to make the first move. It's just not me. I haven't had a date in 20 years (I told you it was like being 15 again). I also feel that my friendship with his wife, who I loved, gets in the way, as does the close knit nature of our friendship group. I would hate to ruin our friendship as I really value it and love the time we spend together.

I do think it's perfectly possible to have a close platonic friendship with someone of the opposite sex - I have several. But this does feel different - more intimate and more special. But I certainly don't feel 100% sure that I want a relationship with him.

My sister is convinced that I should a) make a move while we are on holiday, b) have a fling and c) see what happens. Her view is why not, and that if I wait for him to do something I will wait forever.

I'm probably over thinking this. Can someone shake some sense into me? Even if it's a resounding "he's just not that into you..." then at least I can stop thinking about it.

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carlywurly · 23/05/2013 22:53

Oh, just go for it. Life is so short and you sound really compatible. Not going to talk you out of it - go on the hols and flirt your socks off Grin

SoleSource · 23/05/2013 22:54

Just shag the arse off him

MorrisZapp · 23/05/2013 22:57

If he's into you, and you go on holiday together, then you will not have to make a move. Just let the heat and beer do it's work.

Sallyingforth · 23/05/2013 23:10

I wish they were all as easy to answer as this one. Go for it!

IWouldIfICouldButICant · 23/05/2013 23:23

I wouldn't know how to flirt. I will have to get drunk and hope for the best...what if I've got it all wrong and he's totally uninterested? That would be horrible.

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VenusUprising · 23/05/2013 23:25

Wear reinforced cycling shorts, to protect your ladybits! Last thing you need is thrush or cystistis something....

Enjoy Sardinia, it's beautiful, and romantic, and the beaches are superb.

You both sound lovely, and very compatable!

Have fun.

Mumsyblouse · 23/05/2013 23:27

I would think it was very unlikely that he was not interested, it seems a very couple like thing to be doing, however, if you go, get drunk, have a wonderful time and that moment still doesn't occur, then I think you have your answer probably not the one you want. But I hope something much more exciting happens!

Sallyingforth · 24/05/2013 10:06

I think you should make your move before the holidays, if only to decide whether to book double rooms!
Next weekend when you say goodbye, give him a parting kiss and see what happens. I think you will be very pleasantly surprised, but if not no harm done.
Just think about all the sex fun you are missing by your prevarication!
And most importantly of all, come and report back so we can enjoy it too.

MadBusLady · 24/05/2013 11:41

I think it would be surprising if he wasn't a bit interested on the basis of what you say. But then you also say you're not 100% convinced about it yourself, because of his wife etc.

So go on the holiday, take nice evening clothes, enjoy yourself, and see if the moment arises and if it feels right. Don't worry about flirting "technique", sun is like magic for this stuff. And in the meantime, stop letting your DSis wind you up about it.

Lucylloyd13 · 24/05/2013 15:39

I agree that it would be wise to make a move pre-holiday.

I would find an opportunity, whenthe two of you are alone to kiss him a little bit more passionately than in a friendly hello or goodbye, and see what happens, follow it up by "I have been meaning to do that for some time" and a smile.

It will either feel right, or wrong. If its the former, best buy some new lingerie for your hols, if not you can put it down to getting carried away and will be eminently recoverable from.

Shodan · 24/05/2013 16:13

I think I'd have to against the idea of doing it before the holiday. If you have a couple of drinks, while you're away, and make a move that he backs away from, then at least you can brush it off the next day with a breezy 'Sorry about last night- the combination of drink and the sun made me come over all peculiar!' or somesuch. You still get your holiday, you get your answer and your friendship (probably!) would still be intact.

IWouldIfICouldButICant · 24/05/2013 17:49

So confused! Thank you for your encouragement and wise words - good call on the new lingerie, mine is grey and full of holes. Padded cycling shorts are of course essential...

I don't think I can do anything before the holiday - too weird if it went wrong. But a bit of sun and Sardinian wine might give me the courage I need. We've booked the rooms already - most of them, anyway. I did see one of the emails he sent to one of the hotels - my Italian isn't great but I'm pretty sure he was saying "we would like two rooms but we can share a twin room if necessary".

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Sallyingforth · 24/05/2013 17:59

Good luck OP. I have my fingers crossed for you.

Cerisier · 25/05/2013 06:18

Another one hoping it works out for the two of you xx

The5thFishy · 25/05/2013 14:43

Just ask him " I think I have feelings for you, do you think we could ever be more than friends?"

YoniBottsBumgina · 25/05/2013 17:10

I agree go on the holiday and see what happens :) don't worry about flirting or making a move, just be yourself and go with the flow/do what comes naturally. If he likes you then he likes you as you are, so don't put any kind of front up or act in a way that dorsnt come naturally. How exciting! Good luck!

IWouldIfICouldButICant · 14/06/2013 11:27

Did you want an update? Grin. He's asked me if I am free to go away with him the weekend after next - some of his friends who I don't know particularly well are in the UK for a while, and they asked if he wanted to meet up with them and go mountain biking along the South Downs Way. I got an email asking if I would like to go along - "practice for Sardinia". And then an email asking if I'd like to go and see a band with him a couple of weeks after that.

I have bought posh pants and will practice flirting...the more I think about it, the more I think I would be delighted if something did happen. Just not sure I'm going to be the one to make the first move without a lot of alcohol being involved.

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