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awful experience at work

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springymater · 17/05/2013 14:25

Took part in a volunteer's 'reflective practise' yesterday and two colleagues tore me to shreds. Along the lines of: you are up yourself, think you're wonderful, who do you think you are; that I talk down to people, am lazy, don't do any work, wander about. Those are the accusations I remember, anyway. I don't recognise any of it - I work hard, got my eye on the ball, am generally friendly and chatty in a non-obtrusive way. Ordinary, basically.

This came out of the blue. We work with the homeless and a lot - though not all - of my colleagues are ex-homeless/ex-offenders/recovering addicts etc and the two who laid into me come into these categories.

I have been working with these two men in a reception capacity and relationships were becoming very frosty - not on my part, but theirs. It was becoming increasingly awkward to work with them as I appeared to be frozen out of working practise, let alone conversation. But I didn't particularly notice iyswim! We are very busy and I suppose I assumed in that vague way that people are stressed, tired, whatever. I have a generally good professional sense and have good experience of the professional environment - though this environment is more relaxed in one sense (though more boundaried in others). it is generally a 'friendly' environment - it has to be because of the dire straits/vulnerability of the clients.

The discussion with my colleagues was initiated because I was trying to flag up that I was being left out of working practise - I addressed this by suggesting the issue of team work, are we working as a team. I didn't directly confront but kept it general. A lot of ex-homeless etc find it very difficult to engage with teamwork eg and I wasn't about to be pointing fingers.

I was thoroughly attacked - a character assassination; shouted at (red face/neck, bulging veins), accused of being 'fucking patronising' etc etc. It went on and on - about half an hour. I began to shake (I wish I'd got out then) but kept professional, asked them to clarify, give examples. The examples were bizarre and there was no way I could respond, though I tried. I don't know what has happened to cause this but I do think I've had the 'white, middle-class do-gooder' tag put on me (when, as it happens, the only one of those I am is white - I am, for instance, in recovery). I eventually left as the unremitting assault wasn't abating at all. The situation wasn't resolved, my presence only encouraged them to continue.

the whole experience was horrifying and it wouldn't be an exaggeration to say I went into shock and burst into floods of tears in a cafe about half an hour later, completely unable to control it. I had a very bad night and cried and cried. I feel beaten up.

I have a bit of clarity today - though still tearful. I spoke to my line manager, saying I wouldn't be working in that capacity again because of a very bad experience in reflective practise. He said reflective practise is confidential and he can't know anything about it, so there is no support there.

So where does that leave me? Is it ok to tear a colleague to shreds under the auspices of 'reflective practise'? The psychotherapist who ran the group basically allowed the thing to continue. She was reluctant to 'let' me leave (though we are all of course free to leave when we want). I felt like a lamb led to the slaughter.

Sorry long Sad. Any advice (hand-holding, hugs!) etc gratefully received. I realise the people I work with can have very significant issues - I have a fair few of my own tbf - but I don't accept I can be torn to shreds in this way.

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Lavenderhoney · 20/05/2013 03:36

Springy, if you contact your local 4 and 5 star hotels, ask to speak to the hc and ask him if he needs anyone. Tell him you aren't professionally trained but you have experience and can work hard.

You will get a trial and can work either full time or they will offer you something I expect, as a commis - you will be in banqueting and restaurant as its unlikely anywhere there are enough chefs.

I would avoid a pub, tbh, unless its a known gastro pub with a known head chef.

If you want to work in restaurants do the same. Apply at the best and work down. Just call the reception and ask for the HC ( not during service!)

You have been treated badly and don't let them brush it under the carpet. It's a terrible thing to happen, and is not an accepted and usual way to do things in any industry. Much nicer people and bosses out there.

Lavenderhoney · 20/05/2013 03:44

I meant to add I had a similar experience from an hr person at a massive multi national which caused me to react in much the same way, and I had no idea who the people who hated me were, hr were passing on the news I was disliked and refused to give me examples as then I would know who it was. This was 5 on a Friday night.

Dreadful lost weekend.

Called boss fri night, he said dont come in Monday, hr person demoted and finally sacked for such dreadful behaviour, people who complained told to raise things properly not bitching to hr. they were also demoted and one was never a manager again. It was all proved to be lies anyway during investigation. That was almost the worst bit, being investigated- All that misery and crying for nothing. I hadn't done anything. Just be me and have a nice job I liked which I did well. Big thanks to all my co workers then who said no total bollocks, she's great.

joblot · 20/05/2013 04:48

Another one here rooting for you. Talk to someone you trust in rl who can advise. I had a shocking experience working in a small charity, completely. fucked me up. So i sympathise totally. I left as soon as I could but I've carried it around with me and felt crap about it. This thread has made me rethink it a bit, so thanks for that.

Write stuff down, talk to someone you trust then decide the best way forward. Good luck

RichManPoorManBeggarmanThief · 20/05/2013 06:07

You should definitely write to the chairman of the trustees regarding this. I have previously been a trustee of a medium sized charity and have had not dissimilar things reported - some true, others not, most 50-50- but we always investigated it and sought to prevent reoccurences. Stick to facts though- dont speculate re the councellor and the psychotherapist being in cahoots.

I cannot imagine what was going through their heads, trying to use "reflective practice" to resolve a tense working situation amongst vulnerable adults.

springymater · 20/05/2013 10:44

tbh I'm only cooking because that's what they needed. I'm 'chef' because I'm in charge of the kitchen on the days I cook. I enjoy cooking - and catering/hospitality generally. and I'm good I'm a bit of an old bird so I'm not sure I can be thinking of a career shift at this point! However, there's the new gov initiative encouraging older people to stay in the job market... (Interestingly, I have been thinking of selling the family home and buying a pub I've seen. Don't want to run it as a pub but been thinking of restaurant, b&b ??...)

I dread taking this further. As I've said, I have a history of being bullied, with attendant inquiries, long and drawn out legal proceedings etc. I didn't get any joy. So there you go, bullied to the ground Confused . I do think I need to address this though, have my say; but I won't be pushing it too far. Done that, t-shirt. Move on?

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springymater · 20/05/2013 10:52

I've just had a call from the assistant manager who has asked me to vol for a new initiative they're launching. I said I had had a very bad experience at reflective practice (he's my new ineffectual line manager, the one I spoke to after the awful incident, the one who said reflective practice is confidential and he shouldn't know anything about it prick ). He said ok - and cut the call!!

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springymater · 20/05/2013 10:54

ie no goodbye, just cut the call.

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Mumsyblouse · 20/05/2013 10:59

springymater the great thing about volunteer work is you don't have to be there! You are not dependent on the money, you aren't tied into a contract, personally if anyone shouted at me in a working day, I would simply get up and leave, you are a volunteer and have that freedom! There are so many voluntary orgs crying out for people, just leave this lot to it and move onto somewhere and something else.

TheSilveryPussycat · 20/05/2013 11:02

More proof that you should no longer involve yourself with this lot in any capacity.

imaginethat · 20/05/2013 11:24

How awful, I am so sorry for what you have been through.

It sounds like a terrible place to work! Line managers all over the place and all of them ineffectual, a psychotherapist who cannot run a group. It's dangerous.

I think you need to get out Sad

springymater · 20/05/2013 11:34

It's a very big and established charity btw, not some little thing.

I won't be going back but I do need to have my say. I don't want to hang around for the post-mortem (as I said, been there, done that, lost - and had to endure endless personal attacks etc = more of the same!). So I can't say what I would like the result to be for me personally because I don't want to hear it. I don't have any faith that the issue will be dealt with properly and suspect I'll just get more of the same.

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springymater · 20/05/2013 11:38

the flashbacks have stopped btw. I hope that's that and I won't be troubled with them anymore.

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imaginethat · 20/05/2013 11:38

I suspect you will too and I think you would be wise to protect yourself from further attacks by not doing any more meetings. Unless there is a manager that is any good and you took a support person with you? Might help with closure.

DoubleLifeIsALifeHalved · 20/05/2013 11:55

Good lord! They really are awful and not a good environment for you to expose yourself to. I can see need for closure and a very quick move on to safeguard your own self...

DonkeysDontRideBicycles · 20/05/2013 14:52

Rum lot. That manager probably thinks he's 'covered his back' by giving a half-hearted invitation to take part in the next task. That to me says he knows you have respect of at least some co-workers. I agree with what you said upthread, possibly in the midst of that scene you didn't notice if colleagues walked out and didn't want to be caught up in that charade. Small consolation perhaps but it wasn't a complete lynching. Somehow the men who confronted you thought they had carte blanche to air their grievances in public. The woman leading the exercise could have halted this at any time when she saw you were upset. The two perpetrators obviously had time to think up their tactics and spiel beforehand.

Jux · 20/05/2013 18:13

It's disgusting, and your manger is as bad as all of them.

Springy, I really hope that, whatever you decide to do, you get closure on this.

Lavenderhoney · 20/05/2013 20:33

Thank goodness you are not going back! Great decision. They don't really care about people do they? Best out of it.

I wouldn't advise a pub until you have done some time in a professional kitchen. A b&b might be ok, if you don't mind being there all day and night.

Why don't you do some digging on forums and go and visit some pubs and b&bs to see what owners say?

I would still approach your local F&B places for a role to see if you really think a professional kitchen is for you and have some access to how to cost food and menus. Have a look on caterer.com for jobs in your area.

Or start a private dining dinner company and go to people's houses to cook - depends on what you need financially to survive.

springymater · 20/05/2013 20:55

what's F&B ??

I said upthread I didn't want to run a pub, only interested in buying a skanky old pub that's for sale. As things stand, it is £100K less than my current house and I could live in it mortgage free. I wouldn't have to decide what to do with it, I could just live in it - and develop any ideas as and when. So it's an appealing project...

I'm wondering if I would actually be better s/e. My own boss... Obv there are problems with that. I've just posted a thread about my lodger (who is pissing me off) - re being in charge or being an employer is just as potentially troublesome as being an employee - swings and roundabout, I should've thought.

I'm still very disappointed about this job. It seems to be a brutal end and endings like that are hard to process. I'd like to take some control of it somehow!

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BerylStreep · 20/05/2013 23:22

I would write to the trustees to set out what happened.

No need to subject yourself to post mortems or findings. But they need to know.

I don't think it is dramatic at all to say you felt like you had been assaulted.

Lavenderhoney · 21/05/2013 10:15

Food and beverage is F&B.
I hope you get a good response from the trust. You've been treated very badly.

springymater · 28/05/2013 19:12

Update: it's been a week since all this shit happened but I've been out of it.

I have sent the email to my line manager today, copied to Centre Manager, who has asked to see me this week.

We'll see how it goes. I knew I should have struck while the iron was hot, so to speak, but I just couldn't get it together at all. Ah well, the heat is out of it to a certain extent (heat analogies akimbo)

I loosely used your template, fool - and also your list. Thanks for that - it gave me a structure to work from.

We'll see how it goes.

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Hellohippo · 28/05/2013 19:22

I have ony just seen this, are you able to complain to whoever the psychotherapist is registered with so it's an independent person who investigates?

springymater · 28/05/2013 21:50

That's a good plan Hello.

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FarBetterNow · 28/05/2013 22:16

Springy, you sound lovely and so do ALL the other posters.
Quite restored my faith in MN.

I hope that whatever you choose to do next will be enjoyable and your efforts will be better appreciated.

Best wishes to you.

Jux · 28/05/2013 22:55

Hope the meeting goes well.

Buy the pub! Living mortgage free would be a great move. Get the best survey you can though!

Good luck.