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Is this emotional abuse or am I just oversensitive and intolerant?

54 replies

Namechangething · 07/05/2013 09:52

I've namechanged for this.

I feel quite unhappy in my marriage at times, we seem to have very good times and then very bad times, and I don't know if there is emotional abuse there or not. My first marriage (from which I have one DC, then my current DH and I have 2 children) broke up as my ex was very abusive, but this was more obvious. Been with DH for about 10 years, married 5.

If I list a few things my DH has done I wondered if some of you might be able to tell me if you think there is emotional abuse or if it's just me (as DH says it is)

He makes mess all the time but then moans at me if the house is messy. He leaves stuff everywhere. Ranging from paperwork, to shoes, to crisp packets, to wet towels. It's got where I've started to give up on the house a bit as it's just full of his junk everywhere, and he moans at me all the time about it and says I'm lazy. He will occasionally (by that I mean once a fortnight or so) unload the dishwasher or put a few bits in the washing machine but that's it.

He seems to put himself first all the time, and never the kids and I. He seems to see the children as my job and if he does anything with them it's a big favour for me, yet he never does things properly with them. For example yesterday I had a bit of a lie in, and when I got up he had taken the children out for an hour, but the younger two had had no breakfast, hair was unbrushed, teeth uncleaned, and the house was a total state. He'd had lie ins on Saturday and Sunday and during that time I'd carried on as normal and he'd got up to clean, dressed children, and a tidy house. Then yesterday he had the view that he'd "done his bit" once he brought them home and I feel like I effectively pay for any time off I have by having to do all the jobs. He also regulary (twice a day at least) just disappears off to the loo for between 45 minute and an hour. He won't go in the downstairs loo and uses the upstairs one, so I can't get in to bath the kids, and he always chooses to do this either in the morning when we are getting ready, or at the kids bathtime.

He gets really moody with me if I'm ill or if the children are ill, and won't play any part in looking after any of us. I had a virus a couple of months ago and was in bed but he wouldn't watch the children or do anything for me at all, not even bring me a cup of tea or a glass of water. He says it's not fair that he should have to be inconvenienced if any of us are ill as it's not his fault we've caught something.

He thinks he knows everything, thinks he is always right, I am wrong, and he has an opinion on everything I do. Whatever I do, he homes in on anything negative he can find and starts saying "What you want to do is X" and starts giving me advice, whether it's on my cooking, cleaning, or anything else I do. He is very vocal about his opinions and goes on and on and on. At the weekend I was doing a fitness DVD that I do each morning and he came in and started criticising my technique, and saying "What you want to do is get heavier weights"and just pulling apart it all. If one of the kids or I are ill he is always adamant he knows the cause and will say 'It's because you haven't had enough sleep, you're not ill' and will go on and on about it. He literally has an opinion on everything and I'm expected to take it on board. He has mentioned before that I need to learn to accept constructive criticisim. Whilst I am of the school of thought that there are times and places not to give an opinion and I don't want his constructive criticism all the time.

There are loads of other things too but these are just some of the things that are making me resentful.

OP posts:
BeCool · 07/05/2013 13:39

well you have support here - keep posting as you work stuff out. People here will help & support you

CogitoErgoSometimes · 07/05/2013 13:49

'Constructive criticism' is when someone takes a good idea you have and builds on it. Not sitting shaking their head telling you you've made a balls up of everything. That's just 'criticism'.... not constructive at all.

MrsMangelFanciedPaulRobinson · 07/05/2013 17:07

I definitely could not and would not put up with that kind of behaviour. He sounds very disrespectful towards you, OP

PoppyField · 07/05/2013 17:33

Ugh. He sounds nasty all over. You are not oversensitive. Can't believe he thinks he can tell you how to wipe a table. He is monstrous. I'm on your side here - I can't think of anyone who would think he is tolerable on any level.

CharlotteCollinsismovingon · 07/05/2013 21:33

I might wipe the table and then he will start saying 'What you want to do is start in this corner, and then finish there'

"Sorry, darling, I don't think I understand. Can you show me?"

Only to be used as a temporary solution, though, while you pack your bags!!

unapologetic · 07/05/2013 21:42

He sounds exactly like my exp. I became a shadow of the person I was because it was easier to bite my tongue than respond to the constant, 'I know best' messages.

He was also exactly the same about doing the very rare odd thing for the children - I had to be eternally grateful and he never did it properly either because he did it with resentment.

Namechangething · 09/05/2013 12:23

Thank you all of you for the replies and support.

I thought I'd come back on here and think aloud, hope no one minds. DH has been away for a few days with work and it's been good to clear my head and think things through.

I was thinking of something he did a while ago, that really annoyed me at the time and no matter how much I asked him not to do it he kept doing it and smirking. If I ask him not to do something (such as tickle me, or not to leave the door open so my cat doesn't get out) he just ignores me and carries on doing it, whilst I think if he respected me he'd stop if I asked him not to do something.

To cut a long story short, about two years ago I had heavy periods for a few months and we drove home for an hour and I leaked a bit on the seat (leather seats thank god!!). I got up off the seat to get out of the car and he started going "Eurgh, what's that?!!" really loudly, in front of the kids even though he knew full well what it was. I said that he knew what it wa and he then started sniffing and joking like he was going to sniff the seat and said 'thought it smelt a bit fishy in here'. Now is it me or is that just going too far and being disrespectful when he knew I was embarrrassed as I kept leaking everywhere. Then every time we went to get in my car for a few weeks he'd start sniffing the air like a dog does when we got in there, thinking he was being clever.

When I tackle him on these things he is "only joking" and I need to take a joke etc, but as I say to him I only like funny jokes

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PeppermintPasty · 09/05/2013 12:30

Seriously? He is disgusting, truly revolting. An utterly vile thing to do to you.

He has no respect for you Sad

turbochildren · 09/05/2013 12:42

namechanged, he is going too far. He is mocking you, he is even doing it in front of the children. No, he is far from nice, and i think it's abusive when you ask someone to stop and they don't respect your wishes, regardless what it is. He would not be "oversensitive" if you did something he didn't like and did not stop when he asked you to, would he?
I second pepprmint, and please try to get away from this life sucking leech.

catsmother · 09/05/2013 12:47

As a child we lived next to a horrid neighbour - a very arrogant man who I felt quite scared of. My mum and dad nonetheless used to socialise with them sometimes and were round at theirs once having a meal with a group of people when the same thing happened to his wife - and this awful man kept on and on about it, even though the poor woman was clearly mortified as it was in front of friends and neighbours and her husband kept making a "joke" of it. My dad actually had words with him and was disgusted as I'm sure that anyone half decent would be.

You know, it's funny - well, not literally funny but the other day when I wrote about his so called constructive criticism I almost asked you if he ever teases you nastily and then brushes it off as a "joke" if you protest. And now you've told us about this. It doesn't give me any pleasure to read confirmation of that. Joking when it's obviously NOT funny whatever sense of humour you may or may not have is nothing short of spiteful bullying and, in this particular case, an opportunity for him to embarrass and belittle you, implying you're "disgusting" with his stupid "eeuurgghh" noises. He's revolting and you'd be far better off without this pathetic excuse of a man.

Nagoo · 09/05/2013 13:29

You are not oversensitive.

IN fact, you have probably become de-sensitised to his behaviour, because I am fucking aghast that you have to put up with shit like the seat thing/ table wiping.

I'd be screaming by this point :(

Keep posting x

Namechangething · 09/05/2013 14:47

If he cottons on that I don't like one of his so-called jokes he seems to have a smirky look on his face and just carries on doing it. He thinks he's being really clever.

He will also try to get others to see the 'joke', especially my family. We went to a BBQ at my mum's last summer and we were in the garden and he kept throwing this small sponge ball at me when I was eating and I said not to do it and he kept saying "I'm only joking" and then my mum joined in and told me not to be uptight and that he was only joking.

The problem is, to everyone else he is really nice and everyone thinks he's great, and that if I ever protest it's me because he's just having a laugh. I don't think anyone would ever believe he's not nice to me.

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AThingInYourLife · 09/05/2013 14:51

Your mother has her own agenda, as you mentioned earlier.

I'm sure plenty of people already think he is horrible to you.

tiredemma · 09/05/2013 14:52

theres giving out constructive criticism and being a complete twat.

he sound like the latter.

catsmother · 09/05/2013 14:58

"Jokes" are often highly subjective anyway and there's no law which says we all have to find the same things funny. Anyone normal who cracks a joke which they personally think is harmless and amusing, but who then gets told that actually, someone else finds it annoying/upsetting/rude/spiteful would apologise and stop straight away. In fact they'd probably feel embarrassed and guilty that they'd inadvertently upset you.

Clearly he doesn't think like that.

Namechangething · 09/05/2013 15:04

I've also spent about an hour this afternoon cleaning the cooker hob. He cooked a curry on Sunday evening (he rarely cooks) and the cooker hob was absolutely filthy. He promised me he'd clean it before he went away with work on Monday, and he never did.

I was going to leave it for him to clean up when he gets home tomorrow, but I decided to do it, as I was sick of looking at it (6 hob oven and he used one hob but it was all encrusted), and it took me ages.

I keep thinking if he respected me he'd have been mortified he'd got it in such a state, as he knew I cleaned it before the weekend, and would have at least wiped it to make an effort and to get the bulk of the muck off, but he just left it. And I know if I'd have left it for him, he'd have been in a bad mood when he got home tomorrow and moaned at me for not cleaning it. I'd say I do twice as much cleaning as some people do, purely because he makes such a mess

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Cerisier · 09/05/2013 15:18

He carried on throwing a ball at you when you were eating? Why did he do it once let alone more than once?

His behaviour is abnormal- nasty, controlling and just yuk. He is pompous, superior and belittles you at every opportunity.

How on Earth have you put up with this for so long?

captainmummy · 09/05/2013 15:22

But you are the cleaner, OP, so just get on with it Hmm That's actually what he thinks. You are there for his convenience, to cook and clean and 'do' the kids. He has a great life, don't you agree?

And I think if someone had been throwing a ball at me repeatedly when i ate, (as a joke of course ) i'd have thrown it back, repeatedly, at the most inconvenient time. As a joke. haha

Namechangething · 09/05/2013 15:50

If I'd have thrown the ball back then I'd have been the bad guy, and he'd probably have sulked for weeks....

I've been pondering too on this knack he seems to have of turning everything around to being my fault, saying things like "YOU started it" and then I end up frantically trying to make things up to him or to get him in a good mood again. He particularly pulls this trick if I pull him up on anything he's done wrong or hasn't done, such as things in the house, or things for the children. Then he starts saying "I think I'll just leave" if he doesn't like what he hears.

I had baby blues after DC3 was born, and when I was crying one day when DC3 was a few days old, DH just started threatening to leave as apparently I was always in a bad mood. He also threatened to leave when he did something (in error but really him being totally careless) that cost us £500. I was understandably cross about it but rather than being apologetic he completely over-reacted and started threatening to leave. When I said I didn't want him to leave he started saying that I needed to be grateful as everything he does in life is for ME and for MY benefit.

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MarinaIvy · 09/05/2013 16:36

Just adding my vote to "Yes, this is EA". Nothing this git does indicates any respect for you.

I keep thinking we MNers need to arrange possees of people to "bully" bullies out of their bad behaviour. I even read some posters who have asked their DPs/Hs to weigh in with "is this just normal bloke behaviour, or wha...?" and had resounding "No way, he's an abuser" replies, and it makes me think we should add right-thinking men to our possees, particularly for cases like this.

Catsmother's post made me think about that - in her case, although it's possible that the neighbour may not have amended his attitude on the whole, being talked to by Catsfather would have left him in no doubt that his behaviour was considered unaceptable, and it's not just some weird opinion only chicks have.

OP, please for yourself and your DCs, kick this asshole to the kerb, while you still have any sanity, life, etc, remaining. Everything - the way he treats you and DCs when ill, the skivvying, the broken promises, the nit-picking, everything.

Whilst he's away, please gather up The Important Papers, and start making your plan. The next time twunt throws a hissy fit and threatens to leave, present him with a packed suitcase. Of dirty clothes.

DistanceCall · 09/05/2013 17:13

Leave him.

And while you get things ready so you can leave, make comments about his tiny dick and then say you were just joking and he needs to get a sense of humour.

Christ what a fuckwit.

DistanceCall · 09/05/2013 17:20

Excuse me if I am inferring the wrong thing, but from your comment about your mother believing that married women become their husbands' property - do you come from a non-Western background?

HaughtyCulture · 09/05/2013 17:28

Nope we're white british, Distancecall.

I think my mother is stuck in the dark ages tbh. My dad is a very dominant person and she just does as he says. She even thinks that women should be at the door standing there when their husbands get in from work. She's really cross when she comes round here and my husband gets home and I don't rush to the door to greet him. I think in a way she has been ground down by my dad, because my nan (mum's mum) isn't like that at all.

cubiclejockey · 09/05/2013 17:42

My blood pressure is going up just reading your posts.

My exH was like this. Undermining me, criticising me, making jokes always at my expense and then telling me I always "took things too seriously" when I would get offended. He would also be physically disrespectful to me (e.g. always telling me that various parts of my body were disproportionate in some way).

He thought he was being funny. Really, he was just doing it to be cruel. And to make sure he was the one with all the power.

I am glad I never had children with him. And honestly, you really don't want your kids growing up thinking that this is normal behaviour in a relationship. That this is how people in a marriage/relationship treat each other. That would be the worst collateral damage from this situation.

I am sorry you are going through this and I'm sorry that your mother does not support you. Please continue to get your support here. Good luck.

PoppyField · 09/05/2013 17:49

Please call his bluff. Next time he threatens to leave, tell him to do it.

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