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I am thinking of sending a letter to my husband: what do you think?

87 replies

BranchingOut · 21/04/2013 14:16

Dear DH

There have been a number of times in the period since DS was born when you have said that you held doubts about our relationship and questioned whether you would rather be separated/divorced. The most recent was a few weeks ago, in the car returning from our visit to X TOWN, and again when we were talking in bed the following night.

So I have had plenty of opportunity to think about what the future might be like as a separated couple. I have had to accept that hurt and live with the fact that, although these statements seem to gradually get brushed under the carpet, we continue with our day to day existence knowing, both of us, that you are not fully committed to me and to our shared future. I also increasingly have had to accept that the feeling you don?t really want me, for my own sake as your wife or the woman you love. I can?t remember when you last paid me a compliment or said that I have done something well. I feel that you just tolerate me, put up with me as second best, something mediocre, because I ?come with the package? of the house, DS and being a family man. This comes from your body language, from what you say and how you speak to me, especially in front of DS.

Accepting this is painful and I have had to look elsewhere to retain my pride and sense of self-esteem: to my own rational mind, to the love of my son, the pleasure and fulfilment I get from work and study, to the colleagues who value my work and to the occasional contact with my sister or friends.

Likewise, I feel that another casualty of our present relationship situation has been the opportunity for me to show weakness. I try really hard to keep on top of everything: working, household stuff, studying, being a good and patient mother to DS. But sometimes I need your help. Last Tuesday evening was one such time, when I was feeling low and mentally and emotionally exhausted from dealing with DS. This morning was another - I didn?t want to ?make you the bad guy? and I am sorry if I gave that impression, I just wanted practical help in getting home safely with the bags, scooter and a heavy three-year-old who had been trying to run away. But you seem to resent me having needed your help in these parenting situations, on Tuesday in particular. I would love to return to the feeling of give-and-take, that I can help you out when you need it, without recriminations, and that you would do the same for me.

The option that you have alluded to several times is to go our separate ways. Yet I do want to remain married. You know me better than any living person. I still love you and also hold you in high regard as father to DS. I don?t want him to grow up in a separated family, without the advantages that we could give him if we remain together.

Likewise, I don?t want you to be unhappy. I am sorry that you are unhappy. Why would I want you to be anything other than happy?

I want to be with you and I am prepared to ride-out a time of difficultly. I have often said that this phase of parenting is known to be hard work, for all couples. But I feel that we, together, need to make positive changes and a fresh commitment to our marriage.

Some ideas of what this might mean in practical terms:

Committing to an evening together, in the diary every week
Committing to a night away together, every six weeks.
A series of counselling sessions
Attending a parenting course together
Using a relationship textbook or workbook to bring a new perspective

I am sure that neither of us wants to live in this situation of uncertainty indefinitely and if necessary, I think we should agree a point in time when we review the situation and decide if we want to move forward together or make alternative plans.

With love, as always,
(signed)

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tallwivglasses · 21/04/2013 18:14

Oh bless you. I really think you have to think of this as make or break time. Otherwise depression's going to hit you big time. How many more years of this can you or anyone stand?

Lizzabadger · 21/04/2013 18:14

By my needy/victimy comment I mean that it seems needy/victimy to me to be writing to someone to (effectively) beg them to love you/commit to you when they have made it clear they don't/don't want to.

Like other posters I cannot imagine that he would treat the letter with anything other than irritation and contempt. He has already made it clear he has no love or respect for you.

Honestly you deserve better. Hold your head high and move on without him.

Servalan · 21/04/2013 18:17

Oh Branching - feel really sad about what you put about ties to life, but I do understand.

My marriage has been miserable for the last 5 years - and I have MH problems on top of it (OCD). A year ago I was at my lowest, could barely get out of bed, felt totally isolated. My illness made my husband angry and my self esteem was at an all time low

Things have changed so much in a year - in my case it was getting decent therapy, reaching out to people, making new friends - and most importantly doing things to boost my self-esteem. I now feel great about myself and confident to tell my husband that I don't want to be with him anymore (made the decision a week ago and the relief I feel is immense).

What I'm trying to say is that you won't feel this way forever, and if you feel cut off and isolated, things can change really quickly. Put some work into you - not just in doing things well - but just doing things that you like - because you deserve it.

I don't think there's anything wrong with reaching out to your DH to resolve things - but when it comes to it, he needs to be on board too if you want to fix your marriage - and if it doesn't work out - things can and will get better for you Flowers

worsestershiresauce · 21/04/2013 18:18

I wouldn't send it, I'd walk away now. If there is anything to salvage he'll come running and in doing so will lose the power he has had dangling you on a string. If it really is over he'll be relieved and you'll save yourself months of misery and pain. You've tried talking and it hasn't worked so take control of your life.

My H treated me like sh*t too. It was only when I moved out and filed for divorce that he finally started to communicate and we sorted years of misunderstandings. We're back together and he is a lovely man again, the one I married. If he turns back into the cold emotionally remote man he turned into I'm out of here without a backward glance. Life's too short to accept second best.

BranchingOut · 21/04/2013 18:29

That is impressive, worcestershire sauce!
Did you have children together at the time?

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worsestershiresauce · 21/04/2013 18:38

No dcs at the time, but I was pregnant. It makes no difference though as it is never better for dcs to see their mum treated badly.

WhereYouLeftIt · 21/04/2013 18:47

"In fairness, the 11 days plus five months episode was 2010-11, and I did decide to forgive that and put it behind us in order to give the marriage another try. "
Oh Branching, it's now 2013 and you HAVE given the marriage another try. A substantial try. And look at how it has worked out - you are writing a letter to him because he'll use his articulacy to twist it if you try to say it to his face Sad.

Be honest with yourself - can you really envisage him wanting to try?

JennyFromTheB0g · 21/04/2013 20:30

Yes good letter.

Lovingfreedom · 21/04/2013 20:44

IMO the best response you can expect from this letter is 'yeah whatever...'.

I think you would be better saying 'right..I have had enough of this..this can't go on' and get him involved in working out what needs to change....if he can be bothered changing anything.

Skinnywhippet · 21/04/2013 20:51

I think send it to him, but don't be around when he reads it or he might feel awkward and react badly. He needs time alone to contemplate how you feel. Perhaps he is being very selfish, and needs time to consider you and when you speak to him he becomes very defensive.

cjel · 21/04/2013 20:57

I feel so sad when a lovely lady blames her weakness and moodyness on herself and completely ignores that it may be DP causing it. I have had 30 odd years of MH issues, started to get my life together and realised I wasn't what he said. As I got stronger he got a girlfriend. I left and haven't had breakdown panic attack or any MH issues in the 2 years since. I've moved 3 times renting, selling and buying renovated, instigated all legal stuff and finished 2 yrs at college and help run a toddlers.
I wasn't mentally ill - in need of special help or medication like he told me.
Don't let him have any more of your life. Make a decision to take care of you, take control.

SlambangSweepstakeQueen · 21/04/2013 21:04

Lovely letter but...

first, you need to know if he really wants to put in the work. Does he really want to be with you? If yes, he has to be committed to working at it. Not just you.

second, you need to work out if you really want to be with him. It seems to me you are saying you want to be with him because you don't want to be a single parent. That's not enough really, is it?

Sparklyboots · 21/04/2013 21:20

My therapist liked letters as you could say what you needed to without being derailed... I think this is a good one but you need to have clear, this or it's over statements. Otherwise how will it differ from those conversations which drift into nothingness? That said, I rather think worcestershiresauce has a better strategy....

arsenaltilidie · 21/04/2013 21:28

Hugs I can feel the emotions you are going through.
Send the letter for yourself, at least you will know you have tried all your best.

However it may be scary but start making preparation for divorce, let him know you are making preparations. He needs to take you seriously...
If after the trial period YOU are still not happy, just accept it's over and walk away.
I know easier said than done, but as you stated, both of you cant live in this situation indefinitely.

Lovingfreedom · 21/04/2013 21:45

How about you imagine yourself as your DH getting that letter. Knowing him as you do, pretty well, how do you think he will react to each part of the letter? Be honest with yourself. Then decide if this is the best way to get what you want. Will he even read it all? Will he be surprised? Offended? Happy someone is broaching all these issues?

One thing I would say is posdibly a mistake is setting out the conditions like that. For example, You have put date nights together with therapy sessions. To me that would add going out with you to the 'to do' list rather than something to look forward to.

By offering all the solutions you are resolving him of any responsibility or opportunity to contribute to working things out.

NotMostPeople · 21/04/2013 21:58

I agree with worcestershiresauce and would add another possible outcome. I did something similar in that after my exH left to 'think about what he wanted' I decided to stop crying and acting the victim even though my world had fallen apart. It was all part of a plan to get him to decide to make our marriage work even though he was making it very clear that he didn't want to. I figured that nobody finds a clingy, begging person attractive and that I should appear to be getting on with my life, making new friends and generally being fabulous. So that's what I did, I acted as if I was fine whilst actually being anything but. Until about three weeks into this plan when one day I realised that I was actually happier without him.

I wouldn't send the email. If you don't want to be with someone an email asking you to start caring isn't going to suddenly make you care. I think you should walk away with dignity, if he is ever going to realise that you are the woman he wants to spend the rest of his life with that will be the moment. If he doesn't then you've made is as painless for yourself as possible and you never know you might be like me and realise that actually you are happier without him.

JaxTellerIsAllMine · 21/04/2013 22:27

Im sorry Op, but since your post about what happened in 2011 I would say you have tried very hard with your marriage. If it were me, I would be on my way out the door now Im afraid. Sad

There is only so long you can go on wanting things to work out, but it takes 2 people to work hard, not 1 wishing it was better.

BranchingOut · 21/04/2013 23:03

Thank you, food for thought. I am glad that I posted here rather than just pressing 'send'.

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LemonPeculiarJones · 21/04/2013 23:08

A very intelligent, rational letter OP.

But I have to say my heart absolutely fell when I got to paragraph five and you stated you wanted to stay in the marriage.

You deserve so much better. Good luck.

LeChatRouge · 21/04/2013 23:29

If it were me, I would omit the list of conditions. If he is willing to salvage and try, you can come up with this list together.

I would send it. For me, the part that kept me sane during the lonely months after my significant relationship that produced three children ended, was the feeling that I had done absolutely everything in my power to make it work. I knew that I wouldn't be able to look back when the sadness and anger had dissipated and have any regrets.

I hope this gives you a way forward, whatever that may be.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/04/2013 07:45

Reading more of your responses, definitely don't send it. When you say you got past the 2010-2011 problems what you really mean is that you opted to try to forget it and he did nothing whatsoever. Two years is a long time to live knowing you sold yourself short.

I think you'd benefit from planning an alternative life for yourself and your DS rather than 'not wanting him to be unhappy'. Spend half an hour with solicitor, for example, and find out your legal rights. Actively look into pricing up somewhere new you might live once the finances are sorted out. Start talking honestly to friends and family about what you've been enduring. What's holding you back at the moment is fear of the unknown and, although you say you've done a lot of thinking, knowledge is reassuriong & planning tends to turn into action. Pipe-dreams will remain just that and unacheiveable pipe-dreams will only depress and frustrate you.

You can unpick your lives but you need help - professional, practical and moral. Good luck

NotTreadingGrapes · 22/04/2013 07:49

It's a good letter. (although in parts it sounds a bit straw-clutching, and yes, desperate for him to love you, to want you, to want to be what you want him to be)

For your own personal counselling, further down the line. One of those letters that you write, to get it all out, and then destroy, or keep to remind you of why you left.

You shouldn't send it because frankly, sending letters to the person you live with, however problematic, is a bit bonkers.

It's a step taken to avoid taking the step you know you need to take. And I imagine you will end up taking the final step anyway. (or I would if I were you)

Branleuse · 22/04/2013 08:01

i think it starts off well, but you should leave out the bit about tips to make it work, because youve immediately gone from valuable and strong, to a victim and disposable.

tell him to go, for your own self respect, and see if he fights for you, but dont expect him to,

You deserve more happiness than youll ever get from him.

AgathaF · 22/04/2013 08:03

His reaction to the letter, if you send it, is an unknown. If he is used to holding the upper hand when you argue/discuss your problems, then I can't see that sending that is going to have a good outcome.

Would joint counselling be a better option? I think that rather than having to send a letter to him because you feel he is more articulate, or he won't let you express yourself properly, it would be better to be able to say what you want to say in a controlled and safe environment, where a counsellor can ensure that he doesn't dominate the discussion.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 22/04/2013 08:10

Joint counselling is not usually recommended where there is a serious imbalance of power in a relationship. The dominant party will use it as a soap-box for their alleged grievances only. If someone doesn't want to listen to their partner but prefers to ridicule/dismiss/blame them, it makes very little difference whether they are with a counsellor, reading a letter or just having a conversation.