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Can somebody help me please - how do I make them understand???

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Overtiredmum · 18/04/2013 19:41

I have been with my DH for 12 years, married for 7 and we have two beautiful children, DS 7 and DD 4. DH is a wonderful dad and a good husband, problem is that for the last year or so I have just drifted apart from him, to the point I am just so unhappy, we have finally separated.

This has only been since last week, and we are slowly starting to tell friends and family. The problem is I feel like I am beign ganged up on, no-one really understands how I feel and that I need to do whats best, which in everyone elses view is patch things up with DH for the sake of the kids! But thats the problem, I have been "patching" for the last year, now I just feel like I am barely surviving day to day.

Since having DS, I have worked evenings. I am fortunate that I have a good job which enabled me to continue my career, but working in the evenings, 5-11pm. DH works days 7am to 4pm, which meant we have never needed additional childcare. But also meant that we had very little time together. I have always tried to do the lions share of stuff at home, maybe a couple of times a week he will need to cook for DC, but apart from that I do everything, and then I go to work. My day starts at 6am and finishes about 12.30am when I crawl into bed.

For the last 4 months or so, everything has just gotten on top of me. Growing up, my parents had an unhappy marriage, splitting up on numerous occasions, my DF being always at work, my DM being the primary care provider. My DM made sacrifices for her own happiness, and they stayed together and are companions for each other in their retirement. But I watched this growing up, and can now see my life heading in the same direction. I have tried to talk to my mum about my feelings, but she is of the view that I should stay put, that I could never do any better, a companion is better than a partner and to "think of the children". I can see having a companion works for her, she is 65 - I am 38?

But that is my problem - I am doing this for my babies. For the last 4-6 months they are picking up on my unhappiness. DS is at school all day, but DD is home for 3 days a week - I spend whole days crying, with her drying my tears, telling me she loves me and it will be OK. Thats surely not healthy for her?? My DS has a nervous thing he does with his eyes, which he cannot seem to stop. I feel like I am being a terrible mum, I need to be happy, surely if I'm happy I will be a better mum?

Together as a family, the DC continually fight and argue, fighting for my attention and love.

So, I have broken DH's heart by asking for a separation. This was last Friday. He stayed at his mums for the weekend but came back every day. Every time he left, I felt a great sense of relief, the DC calmed down, played together great, and we had fun. Thats sounds awful I know. The minute he walks back through the door, I am uncomfortable, it is back to square one with the fighting and arguing. For the first time ever, he took them to the park at the weekend on his own, they loved it.

I am just so unhappy, and I feel I am being pushed into a corner. I have had some really dark days during the last few months, I have been drinking a ridiculous amount of alcohol. This past few days have been so tough, I know he doesn't understand, but I feel relief that he now knows at least, and I haven't even felt the need for a drop of alcohol.

I have made an appointment to see a Relate counsellor next week on my own, although don't really know what to expect. I just want to sit down and talk to someone who doesn't know me, or how great DH is.

I just feel drained. I am continually trying to explain that I am just so unhappy, that it is reflecting on the DC, and that I feel to be the best mum I can, I need to be happy, and if that means being apart from DH, then so be it.

Sorry - long and rambling, but needed to get this out of my head. I feel terrible for breaking the heart of a good man - but I have one life, don't I owe it to myself to make the very best of it for me and my DC? I love my DH, but more as a brother. We just returned from a 10 day holiday together, I had hoped the time together would help - but I felt like I was away with a stranger :(

So opinions please - am I doing the right thing?

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BerylStreep · 27/06/2013 23:04

OTM, I have just read the entire thread. I have the utmost respect for you and how strong you have been. You will get there in the end.

Overtiredmum · 28/06/2013 00:04

It breaks my heart to see how H has changed, and that I have potentially done this to him, but his bitterness, anger and spite has driven us so far apart there really could never be any going back now. DC are doing great at the moment, so am battling with my own anger so as not to make the situation unbearable for them. I could really tell you so much about the last week, but there really isn't much point boring you. Xx

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Overtiredmum · 28/06/2013 00:04

Oh and still waiting for a new date for Relate Wink xx

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wordyBird · 28/06/2013 00:22

You didn't do anything to him OTM. This is who he is.
Sorry it's such an uphill battle at the moment. One day soon you will have the freedom and peace you deserve Brew

LiveItUp · 28/06/2013 09:02

Phew - glad you're still there. I wasn't trusting him on your behalf IYSWIM. So sorry to hear that he is isolating you from so many of your friends Sad

Everything crossed for a buyer ASAP, but this can take months, or years, and you need another plan. Have you spoken to WA? They may be able to provide more practical advice and support, particularly if he is being a total twunt.

BerylStreep · 28/06/2013 10:39

I was thinking about your DH when I went to bed last night. I can sort of understand how out of control and angry he feels, because he probably thinks that you have unilaterally decided to end the marriage and he doesn't have a say. However the point he is missing is that you have felt so unhappy for so long - and he didn't seem to do anything about improving that whilst he could, and then you hit breaking point.

His obsession that you are seeing someone underlines how he cannot see at all how he has contributed to this at all - it must be down to you seeing someone else, because as far as he is concerned, he is a great guy.

Hope you get the house sorted.

fromparistoberlin · 28/06/2013 12:58

Hey I remember you

OP, PLEASE get a counsellor. Mine costs £45 an hour, and yes it money. But you must get some impartial support thats about YOU

I cannt beleive he made you lose you friends, may i ask why?

xx

Overtiredmum · 28/06/2013 15:06

I have news - The house is sold!!!! A lovely lady turned up today, half way round made an offer for exactly what I hoped for!! Grin

I have found a counsellor today too, 50 an hour? Seems reasonable? Relate are going to refund what I had paid them.

OTM xxx

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fromparistoberlin · 28/06/2013 15:11

perfect, I think mine is too cheap to be honest!

great news on house too

BerylStreep · 28/06/2013 15:15

Wow! Amazing news!

LiveItUp · 28/06/2013 16:27

That's brilliant news OTM. Completely brilliant.

Overtiredmum · 28/06/2013 17:58

I am so desperately trying to not get too excited, in the sad circumstances, I feel bad but Wine and Grin xx

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wordyBird · 28/06/2013 19:07

I'm excited for you Wink
Hope it all goes through ok, if you accept! Wine

captainmummy · 28/06/2013 21:01

OP - have just read the entire 6 months ! and think you are fantastic!

Do not waver. I did the same after 17 years of marriage, of 'sinking' every time i heard his key in the lock.
My family thought i was mad, leaving a lovely house, a kind man, money, a good life, and when i told them, the reaction was jsut that - why? Why leave (a gilded cage? )

When i showed them the particulars of my new house My sister asked who would do the garden? Who would look after my Exh? 'Oh and I know All about your 'friends' ' (implying i had a lover) She could not understand that i wanted out, to be on my own with the dc. That the house and money meant nothing. She put xh above any of my concerns. I have;t spoken to her since (3.5 years)

Overtiredmum · 29/06/2013 07:09

My joy was short lived. I got nothing but rubbish last night.

He has decided that after eight years he is moving out and will not look after the dc so I can work, I am desperately looking for A day job but I need to earn the wage I am to at least support myself and dcs.

He may be calling my bluff but I need this to stop now, he is making me I'll Hmm

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BerylStreep · 29/06/2013 09:11

If he moves out can you arrange a babysitter or au pair?

He has a lot of resentment about your job, doesn't he? He forgets that he has probably done quite well out of you working. What if you said you weren't going to look after the DC when he was out at work?

captainmummy · 29/06/2013 09:21

Haven't you had legal advice, OTM? He will still need to provide child maintenance if the dc live with you. I don't know if he is obliged to look after his own children to facilitate you working -after all, that is what you are doing for him. You need to ask a solicitor.

Overtiredmum · 29/06/2013 11:48

I don't want to obligate him to look after them, I don't even care about money, it breaks my heart for dc that he feels like that, that is am explanation he can give to the dc, or do you think I should tell them something?

Stupidly I have tried to handle this myself, but I am going to find a solicitor Monday, see if I can get an appointment when both are at school next week.

He is very resentful of my job it would seem. After I had DD, I would have moved heaven and earth to stay at home with them both but with crippling debts, it was never an option. He is of the opinion he has never benefited financially from me working, yet we wouldn't have our home, his flash car, nothing like that had I worked days or not worked at all. I worked evenings out of necessity. It enabled me to bring in the largest wage and gave me the opportunity to stay home during the day with my beautiful babies. Yes, in the long run I have sacrificed our relationship in doing so, but do people really thing I made the wrong choice? For my children? Because he does Hmm

So now I have nothing, but my beautiful babies and a future I am slightly terrified of, but I love my babies, they are my world and I will do this for them, and me.

I only have a 2 bed home at the moment but am thinking au pair route for now? I can bunk in with dc, give up my room, til the house goes through, then find a 4 bed if the arrangement works well? My friend has a European au pair, she's really nice, maybe an option? What do you think?

Sorry this is a long post, but I don't have many to talk to. Seeing my friend later, she's been great, will take dc so they can all play. After last night and the last time I tried to go out, I don't want to go without them.

I feel like such a bad mum today Hmm xx

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captainmummy · 29/06/2013 16:03

How are you a bad mum? Just because you don't want to be married anymore, doesn't make you a bad mum. You (and dh) can still parent, and co=parent, without your dc being damaged. Loads of dc are the children of divorced and separated parnets.

I really think legal advice is needed here; you seem to be still quite down-trodden by him, and your mum. Just because he says, does not make it so. And just becasue he is hurting, does not make it your responsibility. (It's not,the break-up is just as much to do with him, as your decision. If he was more supportive, more helpful, pulled his weight in the partnership, you wuold not be feeling like this) He is an adult. He can deal with it.

As for your job - is he really such an idiot to think that your wage doesn't 'contribute'? Does he really think that he pays for everything and your wages (larger than his) go where? On yourself? On what?

Of course you didn't make a bad choice, working evenings. It seemed like the ideal solution at the time, loads of partners do it, as necessity. I assume he thinks then that you should have NOT worked, then you could devote yourself to him in the evenings. Well tough, you worked to help provide for your babies, and so did he. Maybe HE should have stopped working in the day, so as to see you and the dc? It's the same as asking you to stop working in the evenings.

ljny · 01/07/2013 01:53

As a gran myself, I think you're a great mum. Flowers

Overtiredmum · 01/07/2013 10:56

Oh we'll, sale has fallen through Hmm

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captainmummy · 01/07/2013 12:50

Oh shame, OTM. Don't let it get you (too) down - on to the next! What's the housing market like near you? Do you get feedback form the estate agents?

Overtiredmum · 01/07/2013 13:31

Think the market is really good, I'm in the south east. Nothing seems to stay on the market for long, I'm just impatient xx

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captainmummy · 01/07/2013 14:57

OTM I'm in the southeast too - near to surrey/sussex border. Don't know much about the market down here, but did read that this is the best place for it.

Fingers crossed for you.

How is it with your stbx? Did you get to a solicitor today?

Overtiredmum · 01/07/2013 15:50

I'm in Kent about 30 minutes out of central London.

DD is home today and tomorrow so have spent the day with her. I threatened him with going 50:50 on the house on Saturday, he changed his mind again within minutes. I have am au pair website to look at tonight xx

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