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Like a man with complicated relationship...what to do?

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mum2seren · 05/04/2013 10:00

Name changed for this...I did have another post on this topic within the last month but I changed a lot of details so as not to 'out' myself...but it just got all confusing - so thought I'd start again with the real details of the situation, to try and get a bit of advice.

There is a man. Works as a teaching assistant at my daughter's school and we met through me being involved through the PTFA, he always made an effort to say hello and have a chat with me however busy he was, which was lovely as you feel a bit out of place/in the way as a parent ptfa member going into school.
I had an issue with the Headteacher a while ago regarding a complaint I'd made, and I felt a bit of an atmosphere around the school amongst the staff members, towards me (when I went in on ptfa business)...this man was the only one making the effort to still smile and chat, generally be a friendly face so one day after a particularly rough day at the school (tears etc, long story) I looked him up on facebook and sent a quick message - apologising if this wasn't 'allowed' but just saying thanks for being a friendly face in school when I needed it, it made me feel much more relaxed as a parent going into school and signing off just with a thank you, see you around school sometime - I didn't see it as anything other than a genuine thank you message; as I thought he may receive it before I saw him again in school.

Anyway - a couple of months later he replied, saying he'd only just seen my message as he didn't get on facebook much, said it was no hassle to talk to me and he thought I was lovely.

We chatted on Facebook about once a week after that, just about general life and he complimented me a lot - he did mention in one of the first few messages that he is in a relationship with a lady that lives in Australia, they went to school together but he hasn't seen her for 6 months and might not again for another 6 months, "so it's a bit strange really, lol".
He has a pic of them together on his profile too, so definitely wasn't hidden from me that he is attached, albeit in a very long distance relationship. The chat moved on and after a while, we exchanged phone numbers - as both of us only ever logged onto facebook to talk to each other; so texting seemed easier.

He started asking to meet up, and I know I should have said no but I was curious about the status of his relationship (was it fairly new, were there plans for one of them to move over to be with the other, etc) and one night, he came round after an evening sports class he had in my town. He came over at 10.30pm on his way home, and stayed until 4.30am - we sat on the sofa, talking about everything, a bit of a cuddle and a kiss which I quickly stopped and he apologised for.
I enjoyed his company and he said he enjoyed mine, we share a lot of similar interests (both been into spiritualism and wicca, are both in bands, that kind of thing) but obviously, he has a partner so things shouldn't have even gone as far as they did that night with the cuddle and kiss.

The next day, he said the night before had made him realise he really doesn't want an affair, he wants a happy, caring, loving 'proper' relationship. I said I understood, then over the course of the day a few more texts were exchanged, with him saying things like "if I was single, I would be more than happy to have tried for a relationship with you", "I like you a lot what more can I say"..."I know we need to leave each other alone but I don't want to", that kind of thing.

He came round again last night. We ended up falling asleep on the sofa together (fully clothed) after a long chat; I found out more about his relationship and the basics of it is:

They used to go to the same school as children, she moved to Australia with family aged 14 and they lost touch before finding each other agian on friends reunited...can't remember how long ago but a few years back/
She was visiting the UK one time and ended up staying with him, got on and they talked about making a go of things...can't remember the exact details of the visas but something like as she has a British passport (dual nationality) she was going to come over here from April this year for 6 months, he was going to apply for a temp 1 year (visitor?) australian visa and then go back to Aus with her after the 6 months, then he'd have 6 months left on his visa to sort out jobs etc.
Now, she isn't able to come over here due to family stuff/finances and he's saying he hasn't applied for his visa yet, but is due to...he's having problems applying as the online forms keep going down or something.
He's saying he can't leave before 1st Sept, even if his visa is sorted before then as he has to sell his house, leave work etc; I was quite black and white about it and said if he loved her then surely he'd want to go asap and told him to stop making excuses and just go for it...I also asked why he doesn't just marry her as it may make getting a partner visa more easy - he's 59 soon so is worried the age thing may not go in his favour.

So anyway. After all that, he was saying he wants to sleep with me basically, but not 'just sex' - he wants me to have feelings for him, and for those feelings to be reciprocated - I said that wasn't fair as he's in a relationship and seems sure he wants to be with her...he was saying he needs to give it a go but she 'challenges him' the way he likes to be challenged (he said he likes to use his brain and be made to think about things) but that I do too. Which confused me, esp as he kept saying if he was single, he'd want to be in a relationship with me.
He also said that they may not grant him a visa at all (although I can't see any reason why they wouldn't) and that at any rate, it's a risk as they haven't lived together before, have only physically been in the same space as each other for 5 weeks in total and he's selling up and going abroad "as it seemed like a good idea at the time, very romantic" and doesn't know if it will work.
She has apparently said she won't ever live in the UK, so that idea is totally out.

He seems to want me to basically have a relationship with him for the next 6 months - or less, depending on how long the visa takes, but without actually being in a relationship! He wants cuddles, watching tv, general 'couple stuff' as well as sex...but says he only wants the sex if the feelings are involved (I kept saying "yes, on my part!" and he said no, on his too).

I called him on the bull and told him to stop with any false flattery...that basically I'd end up getting feelings for him if we acted as though we were a couple for the next 3-6 months, possibly very strong feelings (and he replied "me too") and so it wasn't fair - on me or her - if he was sure that he wanted to be with her and not me, but strung me along for a few months until he moved to be with her. He went silent, then sort of nodded and asked if I wanted him to leave me alone.

Thats where the conversation ended, he'd been with me for a veerrry long time by this point, we fell asleep and woke at 5.30am when he went home (he had arrived at 9pm).

So - I KNOW he's in a relationship. But I can imagine it's difficult not having a 'proper' relationship being so far apart, not being able to touch and kiss your partner, must be frustrating. Maybe that's why he wanted cuddles and stuff from me too.

He doesn't seem sure it will work with her, if he gets the visa he said something about having to leave every 3 months then go back (not sure what that is about) and then after a year they may not even be together, but obviously I'm not willing to wait around to see if he ends up living back in the UK in 18 months time.

My head says that the sensible thing to do is cut all ties with him, but it's difficult as I have developed some feelings for him and will miss him. The thought of him leaving the country is really hard for me.

Would it be worth saying something like if he cares about me and wants to have any sort of friendship/relationship type behaviour he needs to be single so has to split up with her, do I try and convince him that it's not worth the hassle of selling up and moving over there if he's not deead sure that thy will work out (and she's not shown willing to move to be with him, if he can't get a visa), should I play it by ear and see how the visa thing goes, or something else entirely?

I know he need to be 100% single for me to have any sort of sexual contact with him (including kissing and cuddling) but any time I've said something about him loving her he says he's not sure what love is anymore, so I told him that it's clear he loves her because if some other woman asked him to stay and not go to Australia, he would still go - and he mumbled something about me not knowing that, nothing's certain, would I ask him etc.

Sorry that was an epic post.
Any advice appreciated, thanks.

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Pandemoniaa · 05/04/2013 12:41

He wants to have sex with you until he's ready to piss off elsewhere. Not necessarily to Australia either since his interpretation of the visa requirements is definitely bollocks.

So if you are prepared to be used as a casual fuck then go ahead. Otherwise run for the hills and take a note reminding yourself not to get into complicated and inappropriate relationships at work either.

Wossname · 05/04/2013 12:52

Bit confused, if op has name changed for this how does everyone know she's posted about similar things before?

Oh and op, this old man sounds like a loser who is onto a good thing. Bin him and have some self respect please Smile

swallowedAfly · 05/04/2013 13:03

oh dear he's 59 and talking like this?

so he wants to keep with her but also to shag you but you're not allowed to see it as casual sex - despite the fact he's not committing he's announcing he wants you to have real feelings for him and not just see it as sex. don't men usually have to pay a lot for the full 'girlfriend experience'?

this is bleurgh and i'm sorry OP you sound like you have the emotional intelligence of a hormonal 14yo - i think you need some help.

izzyizin · 05/04/2013 13:07

he says he's not sure what love is anymore Sounds as if he's suffering from Prince Charles syndrome.

You're into 'spiritualism and wicca'? Why are you wasting our time here? Get your ouija board out and cast a spell or 10 2... sorted.

Btw, start with banishing spells to rid yourself of boring old farts- useless tossers who'll say anything to get their leg over.

Pandemoniaa · 05/04/2013 13:12

He's 59? Well he certainly needs to be bothered about the likelihood of getting a visa. Quite frankly, he sounds like a complete fantasist, albeit a fantasist that has enough cunning to get a shag from anyone daft enough to believe his nonsense.

swallowedAfly · 05/04/2013 13:14

but for whom a legover isn't enough - they need you to have your heartbroken in order to really get off.

in fact actually my guess is that this guy has some kind of impotence that he's grooming you to deal with without question - after all it's not just sex, it's about the feelings etc. i recall a guy who made a big deal about not having superficial sex and how into tantric sex he was yada yada yada turning out to be just plain impotent.

sorry if that's overshare!

Freddiemisagreatshag · 05/04/2013 13:23

You don't like a man with a complicated relationship.

You have fallen for a load of bull and if you have any self respect you'll back out now. Rapidly.

SorryMyLollipop · 05/04/2013 13:37

I am very doubtful that the Australian GF even exists. Sounds like he wants to try you out and shag you for a bit before using his imaginary Australian GF as a get out. He may even be overcome by "guilt" and "remorse" after he has shagged you.

Is it common knowledge around the school that he is leaving for Aus in a few months? If he really is intending to then everyone should know.

He is taking the piss. Tell him to fuck off (and pick your self respect up off the floor!!)

mum2seren · 05/04/2013 13:50

Ok. So after reading the first few replies, I bit the bullet and texted him to say I wasn't prepared to be used for a bit of closeness and/or casual sex until he is able to move to live with his girlfriend.

He replied saying he had been thinking the same thing but had wanted to say it in person, and "how can I go to Aus if I'd been cheating". So I text back decision made then, no more contact and he phoned me, to "explain" saying that he wanted to be with his gf, he definitely sounded more certain this time than he did the last time we had this conversation (before he relented) and I said it's clear he loves her and is as certain as he can be that it'll work out between them - as he's selling up. He said he wasn't certain and it'd be easy to love me but if he saw me again he'd end up getting feelings he didn't want...he'd considered splitting up with her and staying here to make a go of things with me, but if he did that eventually he'd start to resent me for not going to Aus.

I didn't believe any of it. And I've looked up the visa thing - cant remember if he said he applied online, but he said something about online and forms, because he reckoned the website had said it was down for maintenence the first time he tried to apply (early March I think). I noticed on the website it said about having shared bills, bank statements etc and as for his age...I can't see how he'd get in the country.

Maybe she DOESN'T live in Australia... Hmm

Either way, you were all right and it's done with now.

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ladyjadie · 05/04/2013 14:05

I said it's clear he loves her and is as certain as he can be that it'll work out between them - as he's selling up.

That sounds like you were setting him up to reply in a way that would bolster your self esteem- as in not an outright " Yeah, I am certain, laters." and you got what you wanted: He said he wasn't certain and it'd be easy to love me but if he saw me again he'd end up getting feelings he didn't want...

But that's just letting him leave it open with you, putting doubt in your mind along the lines of "well, maybe he likes me better than her, maybe I'm worth him dumping her" Maybe, maybe maybe

Good for you finishing it. Wait until a dead cert comes along, one who's waited (staying single) until he met you. That's what you deserve, it's no good for you or your kids playing these teenagery games.

IMO, of course

mum2seren · 05/04/2013 14:14

My children have never had any knowledge of me contacting this man, never seen him talking to me, when he's come round they've been in bed and he knew if I heard them wake up he'd have to do a runner out the back door asap.

What I was trying to do by saying what I said, was make it very clear to him that I know what he thinks/wants and what he thinks of me, just didn't want him knowing he'd temporarily pulled the wool over my eyes - or I'd pulled it over my own :)

It was right that things ended though.

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BreakOutTheKaraoke · 05/04/2013 15:00

Weren't you told on your first thread he was clearly just aiming for an affair? Do you believe everyone now? He wanted a shag because his GF lives away.

mum2seren · 05/04/2013 15:13

Yes but I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt.

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TheSecondComing · 05/04/2013 15:33

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NameThatTuna · 05/04/2013 15:51

Benefit if the doubt? Why?

He has a girlfriend!!!

What more did you need to know?

lottieandmia · 05/04/2013 16:04

He's trying to distance himself from his relationship with the girlfriend in Australia by saying 'it's a bit strange'.

He really likes you, so if he wants to be with you he'll end the relationship with the woman in Australia, right? He has not done this, so I would assume from that that he doesn't want to break up with her. It really is that simple. He must have far more invested in his current relationship than he is letting on to you because in theory it would be easy to finish a long distance relationship if you were less than invested in it.

This will never go anywhere. It will end in people getting hurt. If I were you I woudn't want to be partly responsible for causing that hurt. Plus, why don't you want to find someone decent?

Selba · 05/04/2013 16:07

Absolutely astonishing cheek that he wants to shag you ( temporarily) ONLY IF YOU HAVE FEELINGS FOR HIM.

Utterly utterly bizarre.
Glad to hear it's over

lottieandmia · 05/04/2013 16:09

Sorry, I see the thread has moved on.

mum2seren · 05/04/2013 19:08

One last thing - after the 'it's over' texts, he decided to message me again saying he wanted to come over later on tonight, "to give you something to think about" as to if we got together. Or something.

I tuned out and hung up - feel bad for doing it that way and not explaining nicely that I couldnt speak to him again, but for the best.

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AnyFucker · 05/04/2013 19:24

that is the first sane thing you have said/done

Machli · 05/04/2013 22:52

Have you posted this on other forums OP? I recognise it and the last lot you posted.

Is this two different male teachers at your dc's school or is it the same one.

Please think of your dc. Kids pick up on this kind of thing you know and I can see your dc being in for bullying re their Mum chasing all the male teachers round the school.

welcometomysillylife · 05/04/2013 23:30

He stays up till 4.30am on a school night?

AnyFucker · 05/04/2013 23:35

you mean he and OP stay up until 4:30 on a school night ?

squishee · 06/04/2013 14:54

Run!

I've recently got a grip taken a decision like this, and not regretted it for a second.

And what Fuckitthatlldo said:

"You're being used. It will end in tears.

Tell him no. Just no. You won't be someone to pass the time with until he can move to be with the woman he really wants. Who does he think you are?!"

nkf · 06/04/2013 16:42

Glad to hear it's over.