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Moving now from Women's Refuge

19 replies

justaworriedme · 25/03/2013 12:27

I have been living in a women's refuge after experiencing domestic violence.

My ex moved out from the house after a few persuasions by other people as he didn't want to move himself.

I now have a dilemna of whether to move back or swap the council house with another tenant on a Housing Association block of 16 flats with just under 20 children. These are new builts and less than 3 years old. All of the tenants living in the flat are on social housing and my house although rented from the council is in a mixed quiet area with both social and private 50:50 and I have had no problem at all with neighbours, anti social behaviour etc. The flat is in a busy prime area close to a very nice town, good schools and a big beautiful park.

I am now undecided as to whether I should go back or whether I should just take a risk and move on. I have been back to my house but it feels awkward even though I have tried to reassure myself that I will be ok. Also I am not sure if my ex would possibly come back. He is however getting some help in regards to his abuse.

What you be your thoughts on this?

OP posts:
kinkyfuckery · 25/03/2013 12:30

If I was in enough fear to go to a woman's refuge, there's no way I would be moving back to the house where he knows I would be.

Can you look into exchanges in other houses/areas? Why does it have to be these flats?

Isabeller · 25/03/2013 12:35

After refuge I didn't go back to original address but did go to a known address then had to move again when he turned up. I could have avoided years of disruption if I'd gone to a definitely new address straight away. Take the risk to move on if you can.

justaworriedme · 25/03/2013 12:52

Mmh its interesting as I am thinking he will come back. He alreadys knows about my initial plans of moving on after gossip passed from people I trust who seem not to understand what I am going through at the moment and want us back together.

I have also been unlucky with other exchanges and the flat is the only one that has come up .

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izzyizin · 25/03/2013 13:00

You'd be ill-advised to swap a house for a flat and it sounds as if your house may be what's known as a 'non-estate' property which is considerably more desirable than a 100% social housing block of flats.

As your house is council owned you have the right to buy, but this right may not apply to a housing association flat/house. Although you may not be in a position to buy at the moment, this may change in the future.

You've mentioned that your ex was persuaded by others to move out. Is the tenancy of the house in your sole name? If not, get him off the tenancy agreement before making any decision to return or get an occupation order - your refuge workers can advise.

If you decide to return it may be prudent to apply for a non-molestation order which will prohbit him from coming with a proscribed distance of your home/you. Again, WA can advise.

Personally, I'd opt to back to the house with a view to swapping like for like at a future date should I find that I couldn't settle there, but a change of decor (as in a few coats of emulsion) should serve to make it feel 'home' again.

lowercase · 25/03/2013 13:02

Your wellbeing must come first.

You can have the loveliest house on the planet but if there is no safety it's pretty much worthless.

You have had to leave once.
You may have to leave again?

Wait for somewhere suitably safe.
Well done for getting free.
Stay free!

something2say · 25/03/2013 13:06

If you want to go back, take safety precautions.

get your local Police to change the locks, make sure gates are secure, change window locks, put a letter box cover on etc.

When if he comes back, start actions towards getting a non-molestation order. This is about laying the groundwork with the police for harrassment.

Keep a diary on what he does and when and how often.
Do not respond to any contact attempts at all, otherwiser you will not be considered at risk of harrassment - an unwanted course of conduct. Any contact you enter into will be deemed to be encouraging him.
If he comes round, do not let him in or answer or look out of the window or anything. If he wont go awaym ring 999 and tell them.
After several instances, you may have grounds to ask the court to give you a non-mol order - you can either claim legal aid, pay, or do a DIY one and print the form off yourself.

If you think you could settle back in your home and it is safe to do so, why not go home? Fuck him.

Mind you you will need to be very vigilant when out and about - phone at the ready at all times, charged and with credit - personal alarm in hand - get to a place of safety if he approaches and so on.

get your refuge worker to help you draw up a safety plan for all eventualities that you both can think of xx

izzyizin · 25/03/2013 13:10

Be aware that course/sessions intended to rehabilitate abusive men have a low success rate. Many abusers simply learn to how to make the right noises and pick up some jargon which may serve to persuade their victims to 'give it another go'.

If your ex falls into this category, you're likely to need a non-mol regardless of where you decide to live.

something2say · 25/03/2013 13:12

Yes I wouldnt have any faith in that course either. What I'd have faith in is - my ability to take action when he steps up to me again. ALL further incidents need to be reported so that a trail is laid and the Police can take action / he realises that if he troubles you, that trouble comes back to bite his arse, not yours.

Isabeller · 25/03/2013 13:14

This thread has reminded me that I am lucky to be able to moan about the disruption and massive financial consequences. I wish I'd been able to handle things better financially but I'm glad that didn't stop me putting my safety first.

izzyizin · 25/03/2013 13:17

As the OP is in a refuge because of her ex's violence, something she is already has sufficient cause to apply for a non-mol, occupation order etc.

Should she decide to return to her home, WA can liaise with the police to install all necessary safety measures and her phone number will be flagged to ensure a speedy response should she at any time have reason to believe she may in danger.

justaworriedme · 25/03/2013 13:32

Izzyizin you are spot on and thats what I have been thinking of too. I haven't been working since coming here but have had a few interviews. If I am successful in my job hunt, hopefully in future I might be in a position to buy.

The HA property comes with no right to buy as it is in a prime area with lack of social housing.

Regarding the tenancy, he is already willingly taken his name off the tenancy.

Living in a refuge has had its positives but I am at a point where I just want to leave and move on. My child's behaviour has greatly changed in the most positive ways but also most negative ways. Socialising has been great but extreme anger as possibly copied behaviour, hitting and shouting but could be due to the move. I also find the smoking here is excessive and nothing that my child has ever witnessed before- both staff and the women coming in refuge. I do worry about the longer term effects.

I am totally confused but I am thinking of just moving back and possibly change locks and get a non molestation order for a while.

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justaworriedme · 25/03/2013 13:42

He has highlighted already that he is doing this in the hope that things will work out although I made it clear that my decisions are firm.

It maybe better for me to apply for a non molesation order whilst I am still in here. How long does this last for?

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izzyizin · 25/03/2013 14:33

Non-mols are usually granted for 6 months or a year, after which time they can be renewed if necessary.

As you've discovered, refuges have their advantages and their disadvantages but, overall, I hope you've benefitted from your stay.

However, given your future intention, you'd be foolish to give up the right to buy and, in the interests of your dc, you're best advised to put any additional security measures in place and move back to your home asap.

Don't worry too much about obtaining a non-mol before you move back as the fact is that, should he come to your home without your prior knowledge/consent, the police will advise him to leave and will no doubt arrest him if he doesn't comply.

The difference with a non-mol is that, if found to be in breach, he could be required to account for himself to whichever Court made the order, but in practise this tends not to happen where 'power of arrest' is attached.

Use something's guide to practical security measures and liaise with the police/WA to have these installed as a matter of urgency and also adopt their sensible advice with regard to keeping a diary, having no contact with your ex other than that which may be conducted through solicitors, don't hesitate to call 999 if you feel any need to do so, and apply for a non-mol if he attempts to harass you in any way.

I hope you'll come back to your thread with a positive update in the near future - remember, this board is open 24/7 should you need any advice/encouragement.

Many congratulations Thanks on having detached yourself from an abusive twunt and I have no doubt the future is going to be so much more fulfilling and rewarding for you than the past.

Hissy · 25/03/2013 21:05

I think psychologically, reclaiming your home might serve you well in the future.

We're here for you whenever and wherever, never forget this? You're not on your own in this.

NotCarrieBradshaw · 25/03/2013 22:19

Hi, my first ever post on mumsnet. I left an abusive husband and ended up in a refuge. All I can say is do whatever is best for you and your kids. You have been through enough already. Let the law protect you and try and rebuild your life. No matter how crap it is now it does get better, I promise. X

justaworriedme · 25/03/2013 23:47

Thank you all for the advice and support.

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izzyizin · 25/03/2013 23:54

You're very welcome, honey. Come back anytime Smile

Btw, I seem to have left word out of the last sentence paragraph 5 in my post at 14:33:24: it should read "but in practise this tends not to happen even where 'power of arrest' is attached"

justaworriedme · 26/03/2013 00:04

Overally yes I have benefited a lot from staying in a women's refuge. Its a lot better and uncomparable to staying in an abusive relationship. I am enjoying my peace. The support has been immense and it does only ever make me as a woman stronger than I ever thought I would be.Smile

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izzyizin · 26/03/2013 00:19

What you've said is truly inspirational and it will give hope to many who read this board but choose not to post about their abusive relationships.

Do please come back with an update when you're home again. In the meantime I'll be thinking about you applying those coats of emulsion in a 50 minute makeover session Grin

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