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Rationalisation help required please

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BibbettyBobbettyBoo · 24/03/2013 06:33

Long, sorry.

DH was speaking to his brother on the phone last night. BIL and his GF are considering buying a house, and for financial reasons are thinking about getting it solely in his name. I said that, although it's exactly what we did ourselves, I wouldn't advise it, and that his GF should think very carefully before putting herself in that position.

DH wanted me to clarify, I explained that, although I paid into that mortgage for years, it isn't mine in any way, and if we had split up before getting married (or even probably after) I would be homeless and penniless. He then refused to believe that I paid anything towards the mortgage (he kept saying "I didn't make you pay rent"). He said that I was lying a number of times, still on the phone to his brother. I looked up my old bank statements online, and proved to him that I did indeed make monthly payments, entitled 'mortgage payment', every month between buying and moving out of that house. The amount was approximately half the mortgage plus half of all bills. (He didn't want a joint account for some reason, we do have one now (now I'm the earner and he's a SAHD).

I'm cross now for a number of reasons. He clearly has it in his head that he provided for me over that long period of time, which isn't true. He called me a liar, numerous times, in front of his brother. He has apologised, and doesn't see why I'm still annoyed.

This got me thinking about how he has been WRT money. When we first had kids, I was a SAHM. I worked part time (evenings), studied, and set up a business, but still felt very pressured (by him) to find more work.
He was then made redundant, I got FT work, and he has been a SAHD since. (I was SAHM for 2 years, he has been SAHD for 18months so far). I haven't pressured him into work at all, even though we live somewhere (abroad) where child care is very affordable. I remember how it made me feel, and I don't want to do that to him.

But, it's all a bit... difficult. I need to rationalise this a bit.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 24/03/2013 08:03

He thinks you;re still a second class ciitzen even though you are bringing in far more to this whole relationship than he is. He just likes being the "Big Man".

They do not have to hit yuo to abuse you. Financial abuse is also prevalant.

Not really surprised to read either that his brother now wants to do the same re buying a property (for financial reasons, my arse; no its because he wants it all to himself so that in the event of separation she cannot claim any share) as you guys did; this is likely what their parents did as well. Just as well for her that you were around to give her some straight talking.

BibbettyBobbettyBoo · 24/03/2013 08:03

So, speak up... just go through it will him again, but properly this time? Maybe later when the kids are in bed.

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BibbettyBobbettyBoo · 24/03/2013 08:04

Oh no, their parents were very much married before any living together happened. Very proper.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/03/2013 08:07

Go through it properly and refuse to be corrected. Issue one.... if he ever dares belittle your contribution in front of his brother or the rest of his family, there will be hell to pay. Issue two.... time he got a job.

Areyoumadorisitme · 24/03/2013 08:10

Perhaps he's not the controlling awful person but it does sound like there are some issues.

Clearly not on that he is mistaken and he does need reminding, alao that this is actually quite important to you. I would also make sure he understands you feeling pressured about full time work when sahm.

I do wonder whether, instead of seeing it as you contributed nothing, he is trying to give the outside impression that he has provided for his family, particularly now as he is not earning? If it is a traditional family set up, it may seem very important for him to justify that he 'deserves' not I work for a bit because he 'provided' (or seems to think he did) for so long. No excuse but perhaps a bit of an explanation?

Kat101 · 24/03/2013 08:25

Are you named on your property deeds now? If not, please see a good financial advisor and get this corrected.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/03/2013 08:31

As I understand it the house was bought around the time they married. Who is named on the deeds is less important, therefore. It's classed as a 'marital asset' and assumed ownership is 50/50.

BibbettyBobbettyBoo · 24/03/2013 08:34

It was bought about 4 years before we married. Not on deeds now, no, as is his mortgage. Am on deeds on other house (we rent out the first).

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BibbettyBobbettyBoo · 24/03/2013 08:34

Or rather, he does. Hmm

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/03/2013 08:51

Doesn't matter, all the properties are classed as marital assets. However, the mortgage debt is actually his if it's in his sole name. Probably the best position to be in actually.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 24/03/2013 08:52

So are you saying he's regarding the rental income from the other house as his earnings?

talkingnonsense · 24/03/2013 08:53

I think he may feel insecure about being a sahd- it is subconsciously important for a lot of men to be the provider, and therefor he has rewritten history in his head to say he has indeed been an excellent provider. If he is otherwise a good bloke it is probably all subconscious and the fact that he is like it with his family suggests he was brought up to believe man= financial provider. I don't think it is neccessarily about power and control.

BibbettyBobbettyBoo · 24/03/2013 09:02

No, the rent pays for the mortgage, no profit other than equity. He does regard that house as his though.

Yes, I think he does feel insecure about that. Perhaps he can feel better about that (especially wrt his traditional family) if he 'knows' he has provided in the past?

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TimberTot · 24/03/2013 09:09

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BLOO3Z · 24/03/2013 09:22

Can you go and see a solicitor to get your name on house deeds.. It's not stupidly expensive..

BibbettyBobbettyBoo · 24/03/2013 09:33

Not really, no. We live abroad now.

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