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Horrible truth about my friend (long!)

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CeeCee123 · 09/03/2013 22:31

I wanted to post to see if I could get any advice on dealing with some really unpleasant truths I've just found out.

Early this year, I lost one of my best friends to leukemia. He was someone I'd known for nearly 15 years. It was very much a purely platonic friendship, he'd often call me his big sister. When I first met him (as a 17 year old!) he was with a very serious girlfriend who he was with for almost 5 years. I've also been with my DH for almost as long as I've known him and we have three kids.

In recent years, he's had a very turbulent and complicated love life, lots of on again off again girlfriends. On a number of occasions when we were having dinner he would fill me in on the latest sorry saga. I did challenge him many times on what he was doing - did everyone involved know what was going on? I pointed out to him when I thought he was being selfish, immature or unfair on the person involved. In particular it revolved around his on again off again relationship with someone he was with for 3-4 years who I was very fond of. After they broke up the first time I didn't really see her again which I was sad about as I liked her but found the situation awkward. She also lives in a different city which I think was one of the reasons behind the break up.

When he got ill, I made a huge effort to see him and despite working full time and having three small children, managed to spend as much time as I could while juggling all of my responsibilities. In fact, we got so close during his illness I was actually there holding his hand when he passed away at home. The whole experience was very difficult as you can imagine, but I was comforted by the knowledge that we had a special bond.

So, I've been pretty horrified to find out that he was involved in a much bigger web of deceit than I had any idea about. It all revolves around the ex girlfriend (let's call her P) and another woman (let's call her F). When he first got sick and I went to the hospital, F was there. I'd never met her before, but he introduced her as a friend from work. I picked up pretty quickly that she felt more for him than just friendship, and he admitted that once or twice they'd had too much to drink and had a quick shag. Throughout the whole thing, he basically made out to me that she had become a bit clingy but that he'd always been upfront with her that they had been no more than friends with benefits.

Once it became obvious how sick he was, P reappeared and was frankly amazing. Although by this point their relationship status was kind of irrelevant, she was with him day and night including for 6 weeks at the end, taking an unpaid leave of absence from her job. F was there a lot too (as his friend), and I think that F and P just worked around each other and decided to not ask each other too many questions.

So, now I come to discover, after the fact, that F was not in fact a quick shag but had been spending most of her time with my friend for an entire year before he got ill (although they worked together so had decided to keep it quiet - his idea, no surprise right?). He had both F and P running concurrently - he had told F that he was single when in fact he and P had not broken up until about 3 months before he got ill. Since they were in different cities, he was able to keep them both in the dark about the other. Not only that, but F is not stupid and as soon as P made an appearance at his bedside, she tried to back off and leave them to their reconciliation, but he basically begged her not to leave him and told her all this crap about how she was "misinterpreting" the signs and he wasn't back with P, all the time crying to me that he was desperate to get better so he could marry P. I also think that he lied to me (and plenty of other people) about the relationship he had with F to make her look crazy so I wouldn't get close to her as I had probably more pieces of the puzzle than he felt comfortable with. Not to mention a load of other random shit has come to light that he lied to me about - and the fact that he probably had other women on the go while he had this two timing situation in works too.

I'm so mad at him - I read threads on here all the time about these manipulative, lying, cheating bastards, and guess what, someone I thought I knew and loved turns out to have been as bad or worse. I simply cannot comprehend the depth of his deception. I'm lucky that I have the greatest DH in the world who has been my rock, and I trust him to the end of the world and back. I can't imagine what my friend put these poor women through as I'm lucky to be in a very straightforward relationship myself. In a way, it's almost the worst thing I could have found out about my friend - he was exactly the kind of man I most despise. And yet everything that a master manipulator is - charming, funny, handsome, smart and lucky for me most of the time I only saw that side of him.

I know he was scared, and I know he was lying to keep us all there with him, and in fact the three of us were all with him at the end. I still don't know if I would have walked away completely had I known the whole truth. I think I'd have smacked him round the head but I would have not deserted him. I just don't feel like any of my friends quite understand why I'm so hurt. They just put it down to him having been a lovable rogue, whereas for me I am left struggling to understand. I feel sick about the lies, and I feel that he didn't deserve to have these three attentive, grief stricken women there with him since we had all been lied to so much!

Sorry this is so long - I guess maybe I'm looking for someone who's had more experience or insight into this kind of behaviour to throw me a tiny bone of clarity. I know it doesn't help that it is so raw but even so, I'm just grasping here as to how I can even comprehend this.

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Mumsyblouse · 09/03/2013 22:42

I have a few comments, not sure if these will help, you are still grieving for your friend and this must be a horrible time for you. I'm just thinking about some of the things my friends have done that either I found immoral or just didn't agree with, and pretty much 4 out of my 5 close friends have done something very unwise at one time or another in a long friendship. So, although I wouldn't condone this, I also think your friendship is not changed enormously by this, people can have a very strong depth of platonic friendship, yet be utter fools in their love lifes unfortunately.

Secondly, I don't know how you found out the 'truth' after he died, but my feeling is that this may be as much a story as the 'truth' he told you himself, in that I guess it comes from F. But she may be looking back and rather exaggerating the depth of their relationship during this time. I also think the fact that they both turned up by his bedside and didn't go ballistic/question this suggests that there was probably quite a bit of ambiguity and on/off about both relationships, whenever they took place.

I don't think it's helpful for you to get too involved with sorting out the whys and wherefores of his relationships, as I say, I have friends who have done incredibly unwise things through love/lust, but rightly or wrongly, I still love them as friends. People are not one of the 'good' or 'bad' guys, they are usually a mixture of both and if you loved your friend and your friend was always a good friend to you, that in itself is something incredibly special.

ajandjjmum · 09/03/2013 22:49

He can't tell you his side of the story now. It must be very hard, but I would work on getting through your grief, in the knowledge that you could not have done more for your friend.

WorriedTeenMum · 09/03/2013 23:09

IME grief is very complicated. Your relationship with your friend has stopped but it didnt end (I believe there is a difference). Right now there are a lot of messy emotions. It is quite understandable that anger is one of them. There may well be other ones like regret and perhaps also relief that it is over.

I dont think that it is unusual to find out unpleasant truths about someone when they die. None of us are perfect. Having seen it from outside dying is a lonely and frightening business. Your friend was weak and held people to him perhaps out of fear.

The way you are feeling is understandable. However dont forget that charming, funny, handsome, smart person was also a real part of who he was.

CeeCee123 · 10/03/2013 07:23

Thanks everyone, that helps keep it in perspective. The situation with F was confirmed to me not just by her but by someone else who also knew, but I agree, at the beginning I did wonder if she'd exaggerated it. It's just the ability he had to look me in the eye and blatantly lie to me that makes me feel cold.

Other than that, yes, it is good to remember that it was a special relationship to me and that what we did share was real xxxx

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RubyrooUK · 10/03/2013 08:45

I think you have to say to yourself that whatever happened with F and P, you can't know what was in your friend's head. Maybe he was scared of being alone, maybe he was hedging his bets, maybe other people have interpreted things he did in their own way...you just can't know.

I agree with the poster who says that if two women turned up at his bedside and were not overly surprised to discover each other there then it's possible they both knew there was some ambiguity in the relationship with your friend.

I think you should try and think that he was human and made mistakes. But he was obviously very close to you and valued your friendship enormously.

You don't have to think that he was being a loveable rogue, but just human and fallible. He may have told some lies - or interpreted things in a way that you know isn't true - but that doesn't mean he isn't deserving of your love.

A relative of mine concealed something far larger than two-timing when she was ill. It was something life changing and I was horrified and shocked when I found out.

More importantly, I could not understand why she hadn't told me. It was ages before I realised that she had simply been more scared of upsetting me than lying. The irony is that I wouldn't have cared at all about the secret and judged her for it; all the worry was in her own head. She could have unburdened herself and I would still have loved her. But she was ill, confused and terrified - that doesn't bring out the best in anyone.

So my advice is cut yourself and your friend some slack. You must be terribly sad at the moment and he did what he thought was best at the time, even though you would have all wanted him to be straight with you.

So sorry for your loss.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 10/03/2013 09:27

At least your friend lived a little. So what if he was badly behaved?

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