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No word from exH for days - advice needed re contact with DD

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ChangingWoman · 06/03/2013 20:26

Have been trying to put contact arrangements with exH on a more formal footing after him previously taking advantage of access to my home (eating my food, sleeping off his hangover on my couch, using my washing machine...)

We came close to a row last weekend. (He hadn't paid this month's maintenance as he was concerned that he might be asked to take a paycut at work and naturally DD's nursery fees are the first thing he thought of cutting back on rather than his alcohol and cigarette intake or the £100 p/w he spends on miscellaneous, unaccountable shit.) I told him I'd had enough of being treated like a cross between his mother and a cash machine, would be taking action to ensure that I never had a direct conversation about money with him again, and wanted a defined routine for access where I didn't have to even see him.

Unfortunately, before we could get onto details of any arrangement for contact, our DD who was playing upstairs with my live-in childminder fell and bumped her head. I rushed to see her, brought her down for a cuddle with her dad too as she was upset and asking for both of us. He gave her a cuddle, then said goodnight to her and left.

Total silence since then. Normally he sees her for an hour most evenings after work. Personally, I wouldn't be sorry never to hear from him again.

Particularly as it now transpires that he's been upsetting 4yo DD by telling her that he doesn't have enough money for food and no home to live in. (He earns well above the national average wage even with the threatened pay cut so any lack of food or acommodation is down to his drinking and general fecklessness.)

This rang real alarm bells when I learned about it. A mutual friend of ours witnessed DD talking about it and asking if she could take some food home for her daddy... The mutual friend grew up with an alcoholic father whom she was made to feel totally responsible for and we had a long conversation which ended with me feeling very conflicted over facilitating contact in any way with a man who will manipulate his child like this.

But DD is asking for her Dad, whom she loves very much. We've told her that he's probably working late this week (sometimes he does) but can't carry on with this indefinitely.

I have sent a text asking to discuss dates and time for DD to see him but no response. Don't feel inclined to send another but don't know what to say. I feel a bit all over the place and am struggling to gather my thoughts.

Advice please, wise MNners.

OP posts:
clam · 06/03/2013 21:10

Reassure your dd that daddy is fine and has plenty of money. Then contact the CSA.

cestlavielife · 06/03/2013 23:29

It must be very confusing for your dd if she sees daddy at home as tho nothing has changed and she can't understand why he hungry as presumably the rest of you eat.

You doing right thing in seeing boundaries but tell dd honestly that daddy has moved out (not "gone to work ) and he does have enough money to eat and live and he is a grown up and she doesn't need to worry about him.

That you are sure she will be able to see him in a few weeks, as he is really busy, perhaps at friends house/park/soft play etc.

Just tell your ex that contact needs to be outside the home as is confusing for dd . That it can be at soft play or park or
Ibarra Neil he sorts out his accommodation.

Then wait for him to make the fort and reassure dd that she will see him at some point soon, without raising expectations too much.

Let her draw or use toys to express how she feels and acknowledge if she says she is sad.

cestlavielife · 06/03/2013 23:29

Ibarra Neil equals library !
Fort equals effort.
Sorry

cestlavielife · 06/03/2013 23:32

And accept that of course she loves him she Knows no different. But it doesn't mean you have to facilitate contact in your home or pretend he has gone to work. Tell the basic simple truth.

SquinkiesRule · 07/03/2013 02:25

Well you just ruined his fun, he gets to play for an hour no parenting needed and he does it on your time, in your home using your everything. He's thrown his toys out the pram and is now sulking, learn to ignore, he's trying to make you feel guilty and resume things as usual. It's a control tactic and he's got you texting and worrying.
Contact CSA about the money and let him finish sulking, he'll get back in touch. But telling your Dd those things is way out of order, maybe having a break from him wouldn't be so bad.

ChangingWoman · 07/03/2013 06:19

Sorry wasn't clear on some points. I didn't tell DD that ex was at work to explain why he wasn't living with us but to explain why he hadn't turned up to see her at the time she expected. ExH moved out last autumn and we split years ago. (DD never really knew us as a couple.)

Already tried to put a stop to contact in my home after previous thread but allowed it to continue in the communal areas of the building where I live. Ex had brought dd back into my flat, found door unlocked and lodgers at home, cooked and ate most expensive food he could find and gone to sleep on my sofa.

This is the point where I came home, woke him, asked what he was doing there, pointed out that he was meant to be with dd and raised the missed payment.

I do need to have a real conversation with dd but am struggling to frame the situation for a 4yo.

OP posts:
Arithmeticulous · 07/03/2013 07:19

Tell her he's not Goldilocks Hmm Eating your food and sleeping on your sofa?

cestlavielife · 07/03/2013 16:45

use play - role play with toys teddies dolls - that kind of thing.... invent a story about a girl who lives with mummy and daddy visits - "let's invent a story. there is a girl called bella who lives with her mummy. one day her daddy came to visit. what do you think happens next?" see where she takes it... ask DD to draw a picture of her family - and her house - ask her to draw a picture of her house/ daddy's house etc? see where she places mummy and daddy etc...

SolidGoldBrass · 07/03/2013 17:45

Bear in mind that cooking and eating the most expensive food in the house is theft. It's not his house, it's not his food. Change the locks and bar him from the communal areas of the building as well.

Now reassure your DD that Daddy has plenty of food, but he is a bit silly sometimes and tells fibs, some grown ups are like that.

THen inform this man, via email if possible, that he is not permitted to enter your home and if you find him there again you will call the police. Set the CSA on him and cut your own contact with him to email only. He is not reasonable so it's a waste of effort treating him reasonably.

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