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I need to stick this out a bit more, don't I?

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angel1976 · 05/03/2013 18:13

Haven't nc'ed though a bit worried people I know might identify me here. But here goes. Long story short, been together 12 years, married coming up to 10 years, two DCs 5 and 3. DH decided to drop bombshell that he felt our marriage was over, he feels nothing for me on our DC1's 5th birthday. Cheers! Hmm This was 10 days ago. BTW, there's also an EA on his side with someone at work though it was 'innocent' enough, he ended it on the Monday after he told me as we decided for the sake of the kids and everything else, we needed to work on our marriage and give it another shot. It was obviously the EA that made him realise he does not want to stay trapped in a loveless marriage forever.

In his defence, I feel the same about him. I've done a lot of soul searching in the past 10 days and realised the feelings I have for him have diminished in the last few years. We have had a particularly stressful two years as well and in my darkest days, I have read for example, stories of women who lost their husband suddenly and their world falls apart, and I think, if it happened to DH, would I feel similar and sadly, the answer is probably no. However, I guess I had a blind faith in our marriage and honestly thought things would sort themselves out a bit more as the DCs get older (I can just about see the light at the end of the tunnel for this!). We both are to be blamed in this sense, we have both neglected each other and our relationship with each other in the last few years as the kids take centrestage.

I am devastated by how 'final' DH feels about our relationship, in that there is no way out of this hole we seem to have dug ourselves into. We have originally agreed that we will give it six months to work on our relationship but I feel he has shut down on me already. But he said he CANNOT force the way he feels right now, which is rock bottom. I feel pretty damn s* too, to be honest. At the moment, it all looks rather bleak.

We had our second counselling session last night. I think the therapist did try to get the point across that this is the crap bit cos we are thinking and analysing everything. And that we haven't given ourselves any time to 'feel'. And also that while we may feel rather bleak right now, there is no crystal ball to say how we will feel in a couple of months' time so I think she is trying to say we need to cut each other some slack and see how things progress and the fact that we are still there with her trying to work things out is a positive move. We have made plans to do things with each other (and with the family) over Easter and also in the upcoming months to see if we can re-build the relationship. But last night, we both have confessed how hard it is to see through the rubbish time we are having now.

Luckily we have the support of both families (whom we have told) who have told us they will support us wholeheartedly regardless of the outcome but of course, they hope we will work it out. Financially, DH has promised he will do everything he can to keep us in our house for as long as he takes for the dust to settle should we separate. I work too and 100% of the childcare falls upon me during the week so for the kids, we will try and keep life as normal for them as possible (but of course, I know the world as they know it will change completely should DH and I separate). I feel very lucky of course that things are so amicable at the moment. And part of me feels so bloody sad that things have gotten to this stage.

In some ways, it is so tempting to let DH move on now as it's what he wants but I CANNOT look at my DCs in their eyes and honestly said we tried our best if we choose to end things 10 days after the 'reveal'. I want to be able to tell them that we tried our best if they ever question me on why DH and I separated, which I feel at the moment, the answer is more like "we bail out at the first hardship!" Is that a stupid thing to hold on to? Cos at the moment, it all feels pretty shit and in some ways, separation is the 'easier' answer (though I know the implication of that on the children's lives and on our lives will carry on for the rest of our lives!), which is why at the moment, I am clinging on desperately too. I love my DCs too much to hurt them that way if I can prevent it. Does it all make sense? Thanks for any comments you can make to help me see things more clearly.

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joblot · 05/03/2013 18:21

I don't have much wisdom to impart but I guess you need to heed the counsellor and concentrate on that. What comes across in your post is that you don't really like one another anymore but are staying together for the kids. That's rarely good for anyone, kids will be damaged by it, especially if you lie to them- they'll pick up the body language as much as adults do.

Hard to advise also because I'm not clear what's gone wrong- apart from the obvious- is his infidelity the deal breaker?

CogitoErgoSometimes · 05/03/2013 18:25

Understand that you feel there has to be some effort but what does 'trying your best' actually mean in reality? You didn't get to this situation overnight, it's taken 12 years of whatever happens in a relationship to turn it from a loving partnership to just two people scowling at each other over the cornflakes while one of them wonders if Jenny in Accounts will be wearing that short skirt again...

As for your kids. Having grown up in a household with two parents who don't get on at all, switched off from each other emotionally years ago but who stay miserably welded together because that's what people of their generation feel obliged to do.... I really wouldn't recommend that as a childhood.

Be honest with each other and be honest with yourself. If either of you are going into this half-hearted, not because you care about each other but because you feel a sense of obligation to tradition, family or whatever then you might as well not bother.

angel1976 · 05/03/2013 18:30

It's not that I don't like DH anymore, I think because of the fact he has revealed how close he is to leaving the marriage just because we are having a bit of a 'blip', he's shown a side of him that I think is very selfish. He's always been my rock and right now, he doesn't seem to think that much about leaving and casting me aside just because he wants to feel 'passionate' about the person he is with! Also, I've always made excuses for him about why he's not at certain events etc because he is working, but in reality, yes, he has a very demanding job and gets paid well for it (that's how I justified it to myself) but he always found fatherhood hard and not very enjoyable and I think part of him enjoys being at work more than he does at home but at the same time, I know I cannot change DC's father just because he parents a bit differently or feel differently about parenthood than I do!

No, we have decided we will NOT stay together for the kids but I think our children are very good reason to try and re-discover this connection we used to have. I honestly think we got caught up in life a bit, he threw himself into work and I threw myself into motherhood/home life and this has caused us to drift apart. We don't even fight that much. It's such a clique problem in today's world that I feel so stupid that I haven't realised how far apart we have drifted. I think at the moment, we are both at a loss as to how we can re-discover or rekindle the passion and love we have for each other.

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angel1976 · 05/03/2013 18:32

Cognito I agree with you that if either of us are going into this half-heartedly, then it ain't going to work BUT I think DH's issue is that how do you go about it wholeheartedly when at the moment, we both cannot see how we can get ourselves out of this bleakness?

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MsInterpret · 05/03/2013 18:36

Maybe you should try a bit of time apart, say, a week, just to get perspective and see how it feels to be living separately. Hopefully you will miss each other and begin to see a way forward/something worth fighting for other than just for the kids.

Your OP is a bit of a wakeup call to me (and probably others?) as we've just had dd2 and I can totally see how easy it is to neglect each other and just function on running a household and looking after kids.

Thisisaeuphemism · 05/03/2013 18:37

You write that "obviously the ea made him realise he didn't want to be in a love less marriage"

  • I would be interested in finding out how long the ea has been going on - how come you think it wasn't physical and whether him paying attention to her and taking it out on you at home for not being her, is it possible that this is how come the marriage became loveless in the first place...
MirandaWest · 05/03/2013 19:04

When I found out about XHs affair (day before DSs birthday - was rather shit) we threw ourselves into counselling. I thought we had something worth fighting for which did turn out to be wrong. One thing I wish had been different is that he didn't go and stay somewhere else for at least a while. I dislike expressions such as "throw him out" but having that space would have helped I think.

angel1976 · 05/03/2013 19:17

I think the EA is a moot point. We have talked about it, he has put a stop in it and I don't think he has lied about it. It happened and we are dealing with the fallout.

Yes, have thought about him leaving for a few days but there's no one near here he could stay here but let me dwell on that a bit. He is going on a pre-arranged ski trip with some guys from his work this Saturday-Tuesday but I don't think that will have quite the same effect! Grin Sorry, grim humour there.

I think the space thing could be key but I am also afraid he would then take that as me endorsing him walking out of his marriage/family.

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ClippedPhoenix · 05/03/2013 19:46

I'd also go for having a bit of distance between you both for a while rather than being under the same roof. How can you really sort out how you feel whilst still having to function in the same space.

A trial separation would be the way I'd personally go.

If he took it as an endorsement then you have your answer OP.

pinkpaws · 05/03/2013 20:43

HI know how hard it is when a marriage fails and that panic feeling of if i just hang in everything will be fine.Trust me it will not . FROM experience i can advice some time apart that does not mean the end but it does mean breathing space for all of you the children included. Kids pick up so fast on bad feelings and stress . Time apart will help you both see each other in a diffterent light again . It may not work out but with a bit of space to sort your feelings it just might work again then you really can say you both gave it your best shot if you do call it a day. Either way with space and time you get to work out what you both want .It worked for us good luck.

angel1976 · 05/03/2013 21:06

Thank you all. I will seriously think about it. The plan was that if we felt things were not getting better in a couple of months, we will go for a trial separation. I just feel it's too early to rush into that now but maybe I am wrong. Thank you for taking the time out to advise.

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