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would a straight man ever say he is bisexual?

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tuffinmop · 27/01/2013 22:08

My DH has had a big issue with online sex (online woman, chat rooms, camming, porn etc) He has been into counselling and I am now embarking on it myself.
We are still together for now. We may be able to rebuild trust, as yet I don't know. One thing that keeps coming back into my mind is when I found his account left open at cam4 (live porn).
It looks a bit like facebook, you have a profile and "friends" his profile said bisexual and about half of his friends were gay men. I obviously said you must be bisexual then??? He says no, he put that on his profile so he could watch more couples as its more acceptable.

so would a straight man say he was bi? or am I right to be suspicious?

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tuffinmop · 28/01/2013 13:28

af I think they would have got their heads round it if he had never married but they would be devastated now he is married. They are such a lovely couple, very traditional, his dad is a complete gentleman. I have given up asking DH to fix things around the house I just ask his dad. That and learning to fix stuff myself Smile
TBH I would be quite relieved if he was gay. It would explain everything and mean that he was a misguided idiot rather than some online perv with no integrity.

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tuffinmop · 28/01/2013 13:31

mumofjz He has always had ED, he can't seem to come inside (sorry TMI) and looses it as soon as it goes anywhere near my fanjo. Not that he has been anywhere near me for a very long time...

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PureQuintessence · 28/01/2013 13:36

Sounds like a gay man trying to be straight....

PureQuintessence · 28/01/2013 13:37

Honestly, had I not been told my ex bf was gay, I would have thought he had ED or was really very repulsed.

hopingtobewrong · 28/01/2013 13:38

Just wanted to say I sometimes wonder if my dh is gay. I know what you mean about relief if he did come out.
Rebuilding trust is going to be tricky when you have doubts about his sexuality. How is your h's attitude to homosexuality in general?

tuffinmop · 28/01/2013 13:47

his attitude to homosexuality is pretty non descript except he does have a loathing for drama queens (men or women & probably camp men now that I think about it) and people who draw attention to themselves. hoping what makes you think your dh is gay? Have you ever called him on it?

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DuchessFanny · 28/01/2013 13:53

If you don't mind me asking how did you manage to conceive ? and i'm with pure i think he is very likely possibly gay trying to be straight.

Mumofjz · 28/01/2013 13:57

i would say that all these issues on there own wouldn't amount to much but put them all together....i don't know.

The two main things i could brush away would be the "not being able to come inside" - i had a EXP of over 10yrs who found this really difficult but it was a "friction thing" and had no other trouble (ED) and the bi thing... i like watching porn with DH but when buying, if i wanted to watch girl/girl and had to say i was bi, i would, even though i'm not! (if that makes sense?)

I do believe there are other issues here but what they are, i don't know :(

tuffinmop · 28/01/2013 13:58

duchess we conceived with a cup and a syringe Blush except my youngest which was a complete fluke as he ahem finished in situ. She was a bloody miracle, but I wouldn't be without her now.

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AnyFucker · 28/01/2013 14:00

What a miserable and grim way to live.

For both of you.

I would be setting him free to find himself with the "help" of sleazy sex sites.

And making my own life without this inadequate man in it.

PureQuintessence · 28/01/2013 14:13

I agree with AnyFucker.

You are not doing anybody a favour by continuing this marriage. Set him free. Let him find himself.

I am sure you can manage a civil arrangement in terms of contact with the kids, but why press a square peg into a round whole?

So far the poor bloke has been going to councelling to address his porn habit, where really, I am sure his porn habit would disappear the moment he was free to actually have the sex he is looking at.

AnyFucker · 28/01/2013 14:19

erk, I wasn't being quite so charitable as that PQ Smile

I would be more along the lines of getting the sleazy fuck away from me. But I guess the outcome would be the same. He gets what clearly this poor OP cannot give him (through no fault of her own) and she finds someone that appreciates her sexually and emotionally. This fuckwit does neither.

DuchessFanny · 28/01/2013 14:19

I see ... well at least you have got something AMAZING out of this union, your wonderful kids !

I agree it may be easier and kinder all round to end it and find happiness of your own, you've really been through it and you deserve to live a life being loved ( in every way !) and he will be a happier man, EXH and father if he can live the way he wants to iyswim ?

good luck x

hopingtobewrong · 28/01/2013 14:22

It's hard to explain exactly what makes me wonder, lots of small things really, behaviour around men, something lacking between us. He also prefers to come outside of me, but is turned on by me. Where we live and were brought up, absolutely no-one comes out. The only openly gay people here have moved into the area from elsewhere.

His family are quite homophobic and dh is a very proud man, so I can see how if he was gay or bi it would be so difficult for him to say. I have asked him outright (in a kind way) and he blushed and said not to be silly. I've only seen him blush a few times, all when he has been caught out. But he may have been humiliated that I had to ask.

PureQuintessence · 28/01/2013 14:22

Grin I know AF. I was just for a moment thinking about a lifetime of sexual un-fulfillment (for both) and tried to imagine my self as a sleexeball looking for live sex online and I just well, failed. Confused

AnyFucker · 28/01/2013 14:27
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tuffinmop · 28/01/2013 15:52

Thanks all for your input, its hard to see the wood for the trees sometimes and ending a marriage is such a long and hard decision, I have to be sure. I have been thinking about how ending it would be for real and am getting closer all the time. The counselling will help too im sure. My counsellor said that to delay is a legitimate coping strategy and to be ready (as you can) for a huge life change is better than being completely unprepared, especially when children are involved.
hoping How do you feel about your suspicions? I am finding it very hard and have ceased all sexual contact partly because of it.

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BertieBotts · 28/01/2013 15:59

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BertieBotts · 28/01/2013 16:03

Argh, sorry. Left page open and my (non-reading!) four year old got on.

hopingtobewrong · 28/01/2013 19:41

I think bertie botts' son just summed up how I feel about it. Total madness. But I have no evidence, just my feelings to go on. I think your situation gives you something to start a conversation with... but if he just lies then where do you go from there? There was a program on tv a couple of weeks ago about a rugby player, married with kids, who came out. Not sure of his name, but he had an interesting story.

PaulInHolland · 29/01/2013 05:50

With what you say about the rather anti-gay area you come from, it would not surprise me if he is gay/Bi but just not able to come-out to himself, let alone anyone else such as you. Are his parents/family quite homophobic as well?

An important question is if he suffers ED with everyone (men and women) or just women - this would be a big pointer as to he was gay or not.

And he may be looking at porn of couples, but again that could be a cover and when he looks at that he may be concentrating only on the men and not on the women. But by looking at porn of couples he could be lying to himself that he is not gay/bi.

There are plenty of Bi people in this world-but it is also something gay men call themselves who cannot fully come out of the closet.

Could he possibly be having sex with men or couples? It is much easier for men to hook-up for sex with other men via the Internet than for a man and a woman. Has he been working late quite ofter or have had other opportunities to have sex with men? I would certainly get your sexual health checked out ASAP.

Even if he is not gay, then he needs to take responsibility for pleasing you sexually. If the viagra gives his headaches, then he needs to go back to the doctor to find a solution that does not give him a headache.

Good luck

mathanxiety · 29/01/2013 06:28

I ended a marriage that was never great with 5 children in tow just because I was sick and tired of knowing that I would never get an honest answer. ExH was also on Adultfriend finder and a few other even less coyly named sites, and some out and out gay sites. He never admitted the gay sites to me and it was only after I found the gay stuff that it hit me that he could have chosen any number of options wrt identity on the other sites he was on, and could have looked at men no matter what he presented himself as.

The sexuality thing worries me as I still don't feel I am being told the truth. I would accept his sexuality and am not homophobic in the slightest, but I do not want to be lied to anymore
It's the integrity thing that worries you, not the gay thing or the bi thing. Trust is the foundation of a relationship imo. Without it you will never know peace. If he can't or won't earn your trust back then you are just walking around with a Kick Me sign on your back. It will eat you alive.

I was never sure but for me living with a question like that hanging over me was no way to conduct a relationship. The uncertainty and the lack of integrity on the part of exH was sufficient.

tuffinmop · 29/01/2013 13:17

And how did it work out maths may I ask? Are you and your dc settled and happy? Do you have any regrets? Is it a continous struggle or do you cope? Are you able to have a good relationship with him as a co-parent? How old were your dc when you split?

Thanks for all the advice x x x

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belagh · 29/01/2013 16:53

There is a group for ladies in your position
My h and I are still together (somehow) I hear all sorts of cr@p come out of him trying to justify himself. I know he has had sex with men, but he doesn't fancy men blaa blaa blaa all he wants is me blaa blaa why did he do it... Because he could blaa blaa borrrrrrring

Take as much time as you like, I'm not ready but I will be soon

mathanxiety · 29/01/2013 18:13

I have no regrets even though I don't have the household income, and the family home had to be sold, and I can't look forward to a share of exH's pension in my old age -- there are lots of financial downsides but I decided that the emotional toll on me was too high a cost to pay. Above all, the soul destroying effects of trying to be married to someone who basically didn't want to have sex with you was too much of a price for me to pay. At least the problems I had when it all finally screeched to a halt were things I could do something about. To cut a long story short, we are settled, and we are happy, as much as I think we could be.

Long story:

My mind got over the need to find proof after a stretch of horrible doubt and uncertainty. That was a period of real torment because I take marriage seriously, but above all I knew there would be huge repercussions for the children in every way imaginable (but I had to also look at the repercussions for them of us staying together -- see next paragraph).

He was and remains a narcissist and living under the same roof as him was almost impossible most of the time. He was a terrible co-parent while we were married, and a textbook abusive husband. Even without finding any of the gay porn that I came across I frequently considered ending it, and I think my regrets centre around not having done that because it was misery for the children, and then finding the porn knocked me flat, emotionally speaking, for so long I again wasted years before being able to get going again. (I wasn't on MN back then.) I had stayed in hopes of improving the relationship, somehow managing to 'get it right'. I kicked myself so hard when I realised what the real problem probably was. I now consider the discovery a gift to me from whatever god is out there.

We have a very detailed co-parenting agreement that I hoped would be a guarantee of smooth sailing for me, but he has found room in it to find fault with me, to dispute my interpretation (supplemented by notes I took and memories I have of our mediation sessions) of passages. He is a lawyer and he thinks it is no skin off his nose (and it doesn't cost him a penny) to haul me back to post divorce court on contempt of court charges which I have had to defend by myself. It has been very quiet on that front for a while now but I was in court maybe four times since 2010, with no good result for exH.

I think it takes a remarkably selfish personality to use someone else as their front. No matter how difficult it may be to carry a social stigma, nobody owes you a good public image or a domestic arrangement where your meals are served to you, your bathroom is cleaned, and your laundry done, with the odd nod to sex from time to time if you feel like it with no thought given to what your partner's hopes for marriage might have been. Asking someone to marry you without telling them that one important detail about yourself takes away the fiancee's right to make an informed decision about the rest of her life, and that is selfish and cruel -- and the theft of options you might otherwise have chosen.

Imo bringing children into it, effectively saddling them with the job of helping you look straight, from birth, is cruel above all to the children. My 5 DCs have coped well with the tough changes in their lives. Luckily we had never enjoyed an affluent lifestyle so having less money didn't really hit them. We live quite simply and I shop where I always shopped (Aldi, etc) and we still go looking at the sale or final clearance rack whenever we go out to buy clothes. They have all managed to find babysitting or handyman/gardening jobs for themselves in turn, just as the oldest was already doing pre-split. They had a good supportive school on which I leaned when it became clear that we were going to divorce (exH told the DCs in the car on the way to school one morning and I went as soon as he told me this, cried on the Head's shoulder, and brought them home). I asked one particular teacher, the art lady whom they had all known since they were tiny, if she would be there for them if they wanted to talk to a third party about it all and she agreed. Oldest DD had moved on to secondary and when I broke the news to her she told me she had come across gay stuff on the computer herself Shock. She had carried that around with her for quite a while Sad.

Apart from my one DS, their academic life didn't suffer. DS was already having difficulties though, even before we separated. What made a difference to him was getting away from it all to university where he has really come into his own. I think DS may have guessed what was up with exH, or maybe there were whispers among his football team exH used to participate in 5Ks and trained around town in a pair of extremely white and tight running shorts that behaved like a wet white t-shirt once he had sweated a bit. You could see people's heads turn as he ran past. Then there were his everyday clothes and shoes, which tended to be on the 'dandy' side. Plus there was exH's controlling personality and tendency to fixate on the glass half empty he always needed something or someone to criticise to death, which DS hated. The girls have all continued along a high achieving trajectory. All the DCs have been blessed with lovely friends, something I really appreciate especially for DS, who has seen how healthy families and healthy relationships operate thanks to the parents of his friends. I have no brothers and we live a long way from any of my family anyway. In turn, the DCs have all stopped having anything to do with him as they have turned 18 and are no longer obliged to. His loss.