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wendle70 · 20/01/2013 17:03

I am having a bit of a crisis and was wondering what mumsnetters might have to say..

I need to decide whether to stay with my boyfriend in our very happy relationship and risk/accept not having kids or leave him and start afresh at the age of 36...

By way of background (sorry I will try not to make this too long)...we have been together for just over a year but have known each other for years to say hello to. He was married with 2 young daughters but his wife had an affair and he had a very painful divorce (both emotionally and financially). He has been separated for about 18 months and properly divorced for about 4 months. He says he was never madly in love with her but thought she would be a good wife and mum as they were such good friends. Things fell apart between them (unsurprisingly), she had an affair and they got divorced (she also now has another partner).

When we first went out, he had just moved out of the family home and was filing for divorce so he had very little time in between for him to be single. We both would rather he had some more recovery time in between but you can't help when you fall in love.

A year on and he is divorced, we have a wonderful loving relationship, we spent loads of time as a family with his two girls when he has them every other weekend and we pretty much live together and it has been a year of bliss.

In terms of my background, I have split up with 2 long term boyfriends previously over lack of commitment. After the last one, I decided I never wanted to be the woman who has to arm wrestle her boyfriend down the aisle and into the maternity ward and thought I'd either find someone who wanted the same things I did or stay single! I dated for a year before I met my boyfriend and now a year on the same commitment issues have reared their head again! This is partly because I had some fertility tests which came back much worse than I had expected and I have a diminishing ovarian reserve of roughly someone the age of about 39 and the drs have told me I should be trying in the next 6 to 12 months. So naturally the kids conversation has had to be raised.

When we met I asked him straight away if he would get married and have kids as I wanted those things and he said they weren't a priority but it wasn't a definite no never. And six months later when we discussed it again he said he would want them as part of a happy family unit. Now the results have come back and we discussed it once more, he says he has realised his daughters need him more than he realised and can't commit to having a baby with me in 6 months or 12 months.

He says he wants us to work and he doesn't want to lose me. He says it's the best relationship he has ever had and if only he hadn't been married and had his 2 daughters then he would be rushing me up the aisle and have kids. The reason he can't commit to having kids in 12 months is because:

  • he thinks this would take away from the time and resource he has for his 2 girls.
  • he is worried that emotionally and financially he cannot go through a split again and end up with 2 dependent ex families to see and maintain - he said he would literally jump off a cliff if he had to go through that again.
  • he thinks I might change after having kids (his ex wife apparently did a lot)

But he also says he recognises that a lot of his fear probably stems from his recent divorce and is willing to go to counselling to try and change that. He says he wants me to have everything I deserve in life and can't bear the thought of him being responsible for me missing out on that. He also says he has no doubt he wants me in his life and in his children's lives and knows that he won't find anyone else like me. But he is too scared to commit to kids in any timeframe unless counselling magically changes that.

I am busy finding counsellors. In the meantime, the voice in my head that wants children is getting louder and louder. I am so scared of making the wrong decision. I also love spending time with his 2 daughters as we get on so well (they are 4 and 7) and I can see a very happy family life with him and them (he sees them every other weekend). I don't want to lose the man who has otherwise made me so happy and secure. Equally I am aware that I will become resentful if I dont try for children which would kill our relationship and if I split up with him in 5 years and have no boyfriend or rights to see his girls, I could end up with nothing.

Sorry it's such a long post. My next steps are for us both to have counselling but i just wonder how long I have to give it to work? If anyone else has been in this boat I'd be so grateful for advice. On fertility boards you see loads of posts for women with issues whose other halves want kids but very few of those whose other halves don't and I haven't a clue how you make the decision...

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Hassled · 20/01/2013 17:09

What a horrible situation for you to be in - I'm very sorry.

What leapt out is: "Equally I am aware that I will become resentful if I dont try for children which would kill our relationship and if I split up with him in 5 years and have no boyfriend or rights to see his girls, I could end up with nothing." So you are quite sure, even now, that you would be resentful? Because if so, then you've answered your own question.

Hissy · 20/01/2013 17:18

He's not ready. He has had no time to grieve his relationship and has not processed anything. Head in the sand stuff.

I think you need to have a break from him. He needs to sort out what he wants and you need to think through your options.

he won't think if he's not made to.

TheFallenNinja · 20/01/2013 17:21

It sounds a bit like a shit or get off the pot moment.

There is no worse an answer to a big question than "we'll see".

wendle70 · 20/01/2013 17:36

Hassled - thank you yes I think that's a good point. I know I'll be resentful and I guess I am just hoping counselling will change his mind because I know he loves me but I have to accept that is risky.

Hissy - I think you might be right about the break. As my aunt says - he basically wants to have his cake and eat it right now - a loving girlfriend who is great with the kids but no commitment. Given how horrid his divorce was I kind of understand why but that doesn't help me! But there's no incentive for him to get this sorted although he also said he wants to resolve this before the spring as he doesn't want this just rolling on for my sake.

TFN - ha yes I saw that phrase somewhere else! Or am I pushing him off the pot too soon?

Should we try counselling too? Or do I just remove the pot and see what happens?!

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MrsVJDay · 20/01/2013 17:38

I'm sorry to say I was where you are now 4 years ago. He really wasn't ready and so I left for new start/job/boyfriend etc. Around 4 months later he realised letting me go was a huge mistake and proposed. We were married within the year (I was 33 at this point), his vasectomy reversal all booked. Then he bottled it. Now he realised trying to force it when he really didn't want more kids was the huge mistake. Because he owned our house I was the one who had to leave and start again, again. Horrible time.

I was lucky to meet a lovely new man who really does want the same things so I wish you luck! Our baby is due in March and we got married last Tuesday Smile But then I'll be 37 before baby arrives so there was not much time to waste for us either!

RubyrooUK · 20/01/2013 17:42

I don't think either of you are particularly in the wrong here Wendle.

If I'd spilt up with my DH, I'd be very worried about starting another family and not having enough time to give my existing children - especially if they'd been through a relatively recent split. I might really care for someone but it would be too quick. So I can understand why he is reluctant to try for children so soon into another relationship.

But equally I can see your point. If not having children is a sticking point for you, well, that's very difficult to overcome.

I would try counselling for a few months to see if you can overcome this. If it was just the fear of another split, that might help him. If you explain that not having children is a deal-breaker, it might be easier for him to say he just can't commit to that or that actually it's what he wants but he is scared.

Good luck, it sounds like such a hard situation for both of you.

wendle70 · 20/01/2013 18:10

thanks Mrs VJ Day and congratulations! That is such a happy ending and I wish you all the best. I do think there are men out there who want what I do. But when you love someone it's hard to walk away.

Rubyroo UK - thank you too - yes a few months' counselling I guess won't make a massive difference to my fertility and has a lot to be gained for both of us and so yes I agree that on balance I think we should do that before calling it a day/pushing off pot! I should add here that I completely understand his position. There's no right or wrong or blame on either of our side. I don't think he knows whether he wants kids or not - he does think they are hard work. There are so many factors at play that I don't know what the dominant reason is - whether it's fear of it going wrong or deep down he doesn't really want the responsibility of more kids. I guess counselling will help us figure it out one way or the other. I am just so scared to go through a painful split again and start afresh having felt so happy this last year - it feels a bit like my heart can't take it again but I know you just get through it, time heals etc.

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gingerpig · 20/01/2013 18:45

i agree with lots of what's been said already. the only thing i would like to add is you really must try to stop analysing and understanding what HE is saying/thinking/feeling and what might 'get him to change' etc etc. so many of us have been where you are now with a horrible hard painful decision to make because their partner just will not give a hard and fast answer.

i know its harder said than done, but when it comes down to wanting kids at 36 with declining fertility, putting yourself must come first.

MatchsticksForMyEyes · 20/01/2013 18:51

The thing is, if you do decide you want to break up with him over this, how likely is it than you will meet someone who wants to start trying for a baby within the next year? I'm sorry you are in this position, but can't see an easy way to get what you want.

wendle70 · 20/01/2013 18:54

thanks gingerpig. I do have a tendency to over analyse..I just am finding it hard to accept that what I want (him plus a child of my own) is not really on the table. Coming out of my last relationship was so awful but it did make me realise we can be strong when required. Got to try and remember that I guess...

thanks for taking the time to post - I really appreciate it.

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queenofthepirates · 20/01/2013 19:01

I'm going to make a radical suggestion that perhaps won't have crossed your mind. You don't have to wait for him to catch up with you, you can consider alternatives like adoption, fostering or sperm donation on your own. You can stay a couple but this can be something you do yourself. If he stays and is involved, wonderful, if not, you won't have held yourself back for him.

I agree with Gingerpig, please put yourself first.

RubyrooUK · 20/01/2013 19:09

I also agree on putting yourself first. And definitely look into options for conceiving without a partner if you are really keen for children.

But I'd also give counselling a go simply because then if you go ahead with having a baby without your partner, then you won't always wishfully think when things get hard with parenting by yourself: "oh if only I'd given it three months he'd have probably changed his mind...."

You'll know that you took the right path for you without regrets (beyond it not working out in your relationship, of course).

wendle70 · 27/09/2013 18:35

Hello everyone I just thought I would post an update in case anyone else found themselves in my situation and was wondering what to do...I remember being surprised at how common this quandary is when I looked on mumsnet. 9 months on and..I am pregnant (first trimester)! In terms of what changed since my post, we had counselling and I'd say it was useful but what was really useful was just a bit more time, particularly time spent as a family with his kids. That extra time also made me realise having kids was a deal breaker to me but that also I was willing to wait a bit before trying if he needed more time as long as he was committed to the idea. He then agreed we'd start 'trying' next year but in the meantime we were a little less careful than normal and agreed it wouldn't be a disaster if I fell pregnant before then and then suddenly..voila! I was a bit worried how he'd react but he has been wonderful. I think sometimes men don't like making the decision but when the decision is made it's fine. I guess he kind of made a decision by not being careful with contraception though! I hope this helps other women out there in this quandary. If everything else is perfect and you can afford at least a little bit more time to make a decision yourself and to give your partner some time to recover from past issues then I say do it. Unless you've been together for years and years in which case I say he's had enough time to make up his mind! Also, I hope it gives hope to those who have had bad fertility results...they are not always right.

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Apparentlychilled · 27/09/2013 18:39

Congratulations on your pregnancy!

ALittleStranger · 27/09/2013 19:44

Congrats Wendle, I hadn't clocked your original date and was about to tell you to grab the bull by the horns... Enjoy your pregnancy and I hope your relationship continues you strengthen.

queenbitchapparently · 27/09/2013 20:35

Being with a man that was in a similar situation I can identify.
His baggage was carried forward in to our relationship and it hurt a lot.
I felt he didn't love me enough to put all his shit behind him.
I was married too and it went wrong and I got over it all and loved him enough to want to try it again.
That isn't that productive though.
He was hurt and that doesn't just go away, he also was terrified of the two family thing.
The fact he realises how important it is to you and is willing to have councelling is really amazing.
I think patience is the key here though I realise that is tricky with the fertility issues. But you can't rush these things.
Even if you left him and started dating again you would be a good two years away from trying for a baby.
I am not saying that you should hold on and hope but if this guy loves you I think he will get there. Good luck x

queenbitchapparently · 27/09/2013 21:15

Ha totally scratch that post. Will teach me not to read to the end.
Massive congratulations xx

Hissy · 27/09/2013 22:25

Congratulations! You sound so happy!

:)

wendle70 · 29/09/2013 18:25

Thanks everyone! I am. It's funny a friend texted me tonight to remind me how I was so worried about everything those months ago and now life has changed so much. You really do never know what life has in store round the corner :)

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