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Bloody Mother at it again!

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nellyjelly · 12/01/2013 18:57

We have issues, she has narcissitic trait, queen of passive-aggressive. Anyway parents visit us once a month and always come laden with presents for the DCs. I have made the point that they don't need to do this but accept my DM especially likes to spend money on them. However it is the way she does it......her stock phrase is 'I'm a Grandparent I am allowed to spoil them!.

Anyway DD asked DM for a specific doll last time she visited, I intervened and said not to get it as DD has tons of dolls she never plays with. Guess what they visited this week and DM had brought the doll. Am so angry but she acts all hurt as if I have deeply offended her by being annoyed about It. DF gets in olved, a classic enabler, 'its only a doll, why you making such a big deal' etc. it is a big deal because I asked her not to get it and she did anyway. Sends wrong message to to DD who just sees her Grandmother as a present giver.

I know people may think it is nothing but just feels like as usual as far as my parents are concerned, that I am in the wrong, being miserable, being harsh instead of indulging my Mother's obsession with buying useless presents.

Feel under minded. Feel let down by DF as he NEVER questions her, she is always blameless and I am the bad person. I know it is only a doll but this goes on and on.

Am pissed off, know DM acting the victim,they will be sitting at home, slagging me off. I am an only and all the focus only on me.

What should I do? Can't reason with her. Have tried that for over 30 yrs to no avail. Any advice?

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/01/2013 19:30

It is to my mind not possible to have any sort of relationship with a narcissist and your mother like all narcissistic women has a willing enabler i.e her H to help her. He is well trained (as are you, the only people that bother with narcissistic parents are those who spent their childhood being parented by them). He is the bystander who acts out of self preservation and want of a quiet life. I would not let him off the hook as he has failed abjectly to protect you from her excesses of behaviour.

Narcs as well are crap gift givers and never ever listen to anyone other than their own selves. Send all unwanted gifts to the charity shop paticularly if your DD never plays with such items.

Honestly, I would save yourself any more pain and cut all contact with the two of them. Do not any longer have these two within your own four walls. At the very least you need to raise your own boundaries with regards to these toxic twosome a lot higher than it is now.

Your DD is also being used by her grandmother as narcissistic supply, you may find that her grandmother starts losing all interest in her as she gets older.

BTW you did not make your mother this way; her own birth family caused that particular damage to arise. Her own childhood may well have been abusive in nature.

I would recommend you look at the website entitled "Daughters of Narcissistic Mothers" along with reading the "Well we took you to Stately Homes" thread on these pages. I would also suggest you read "Children of the Self Absorbed" written by Nina W Brown.

Counselling for your own self is also adviseable.

nellyjelly · 12/01/2013 19:42

Thanks. You have responded to my posts before and I have looked at some of the books etc you have suggested.

I don't want to cut contact. I can't imagine doing that. I just need to manage the situation so I am not coming out of it at a disadvantage all the time. My situation is not as extreme as some of those Imhave followed on here. Just need strategies.

Counselling for me is probably idea. Not sure where to start with getting it though.

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 12/01/2013 20:00

Hi nellyjelly

re your comments:-
"I don't want to cut contact. I can't imagine doing that".

Genuine question, now why is that exactly?. You may feel like you are in the FOG - this is an acronym for fear, obligation, guilt. Many children now adults who were and remain victims of such toxic parenting often feel FOG. You probably are also one of the very few people who actually puts up with your mother; I daresay your parents have no real friends at all, only acquaintances or people they can use as narc supply or to use for their own validation.

" I just need to manage the situation so I am not coming out of it at a disadvantage all the time"

This is not a situation you can manage; she is continuing to undermine you within your own home. An example of this is that you tell her politely not to keep buying your child present but she continues to do this all the same. She has and continues to undermine you and make your own adult life a misery. She crosses any boundary you care to set and your own boundaries re your mother are too low to begin with. She cannot or will not accept that you are now an adult who can make her own decisions; again it is all about her. Her H, her willing enabler that all narc mothers need, goes along with her regardless of any pain that is inflicted on you as a result.

I sincerely hipe your DH is a good man, your parents certainly are damaging role models when it comes to how relationships are conducted. Some daughters of narc mothers actually go onto marry narcissist men themselves.

"My situation is not as extreme as some of those Imhave followed on here"
Oh but it is. its textbook toxic parenting and you have exactly the same problems as all those other unfortunate souls who have a narc mother and an enabling father.

"Just need strategies".
You need boundaries as well as these. The resources I have detailed can also help.

"Counselling for me is probably idea. Not sure where to start with getting it though".

BACP are good with regards to counselling and do not charge the earth. Also do have a look at the resources at the beginning of the Stately Homes thread if you have not already done so.

From the website DONM re low contact:-

"Low Contact is the phrase we use to describe a specific way you can keep in touch with your Narcissistic Mother, on your terms.

What exactly those terms are, is something only you can decide. But the important thing is that it has to work for you!

And once you decide those terms, it's about setting boundaries and keeping to them. That can be the difficult thing.

So you've decided that you'd only visit once a week, say. Or once a month. But your mother invites you in between times, and puts pressure on you to accept. This is where you have to be strong and calmly assertive. It's not easy, but it'll come with practice and every time you do it, you are reclaiming another little bit of your power and it feels very good.

Narcissistic mothers are also masters of manipulation, and so they may well lay it on thick, trying to make you feel guilty if you don't accept. You need to be strong!

Another way of going Low Contact is to withdraw emotionally. You might physically see her as often, but just not share yourself as much. Keep conversation very light and superficial and safe.

Don't tell her any of your good news in case she rains on your parade. And don't tell her any of your bad news in case she feeds off it"

BerthaTheBogCleaner · 12/01/2013 20:03

Do you enjoy their company? Do they enjoy yours (the real you, not the mental image they have of you, or the feeling of being successful parents or whatever)? If the answer is No, then visits once a month are way, way too often. Cut down. Start by saying the next visit is not convenient and cancel it. Be busy. Or you could say "I asked you not to get the doll, and you did it anyway. I don't trust you at the moment so we won't be seeing you this month". If they get offended, let them. You don't have to stay on the phone listening to them be offended - you can 'hear the doorbell' and put the phone down. Caller ID is handy!

If you only see them once every 3 months, the present thing won't be so bad. And you can make every other visit at their house - and leave all the presents behind. And then you can make the visits shorter and further apart, and see how you feel about that. You may find you miss them. Or you may find your life is nicer without them.

Counselling will help you see them for what they are, and stop minding if they are sitting at home criticising you.

nellyjelly · 12/01/2013 20:13

Thanks both. I am struggling.

The bit about withdrawing emotion, I am doing that. I never share tbh. Good or bad stuff.

Lots to think about. Thankyou.

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ironhorse · 13/01/2013 01:11

sounds like you ABU, its only a doll, your paraniod thinking they are at home slagging you. all grandparents spoil their grandchildren, its what they do.

nellyjelly · 13/01/2013 06:16

Actually I am not paranoid. I didn't post this on ABU as it is not a simple issue. So I really don't need your glib response.

Did you even read my post properly?

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