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total loss of affection

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DopamineHit · 12/01/2013 02:03

I would greatly appreciate some perspective on the following situation. Wife and I been together 16 years, married for 12, Kids 12 and 14. We haven?t had sex at all for the last 5 years but ? even more worrying ? she seems unable to reciprocate any kind of affection whatsoever. I hold her hand and I might as well be picking up a dead fish; put my arms round her and kiss her (affectionately, not sexually) and she suddenly develops an urgent desire to investigate a mark on the wall on the other side of the room. Occasionally on a weekend morning while we?re in bed I might put my hand on her arm and kiss her back or neck. She?s out the bed quicker than Usain Bolt would be. Other than this (and that?s a pretty massive ?other than this?), the relationship is good. There are no skeletons in the closet. Noone?s had an affair and there have been no major family traumas. She had minor depressive episodes but nothing heavy.
I?ve tried to discuss it (hopefully in a non-judgmental and non-threatening way ? I?ve certainly tried very carefully to make it so) many, many times. I?ve got nowhere. It makes her terribly uncomfortable. Typical conversation features exchanges such as:
Can you tell me what the problem is?
Sorry ? I don?t know.
Am I doing something you aren?t comfortable with?
No.
How can I help to try and make this work better?
I don?t know.
After a while she?ll often get defensive, e.g.
Why do you always expect me to solve all the problems? How should I know?
Another tactic is to completely change the drift of the conversion with observations that look suspiciously like red herrings, e.g.
We?re too on top of each other ? you work at home and it?s suffocating. (not really ? I do work at home but her work takes her out most of the time. Also I work two floors up on the other side of the house ? during the day often neither of us knows if the other is in)
You need to see your friends more often. (Well, maybe, maybe not ? what?s this got to do with us being intimate?)
Well, I?m worried about the damp in the kitchen (I?m not making this up).
Sex for the first 2-3 years was ok. If I?m honest, not great ? compared to previous partners she?s pretty inhibited and quite unadventurous. But it was ok nevertheless. About ten years ago (2 young children) it got pretty bad. We?d have sex fairly infrequently and it was the ?doing me a favour? kind of sex ? she?d let me get on with it but she wasn?t really involved. Frequently she wouldn?t want to kiss at all (?you?re stubbly? ? even though I?d shaved an hour earlier). She?d often do this odd thing where she would put her arm round my neck, pull my head into her chest and pretty much clamp it there. I?d end up flailing around like an upturned turtle ? not my idea of ideal foreplay. I put it down to usual loss of libido post-childbirth (she concurred when I asked) and assumed it would improve. Mistake.
From the time when we completely stopped having sex I have never actually tried to initiate it. Since even my attempts to maintain a warm, affectionate, tactile relationship are fairly comprehensively rejected ? there seemed little point. We do get on well and despite the immense physical problems, we still enjoy each other?s company. However, I can?t see myself staying in this brother/sister relationship indefinitely but I am somewhat at a loss as to what to do. Obviously counselling may be possible but since she stonewalls my attempts at discussion I don?t see this happening.
I?d appreciate any thoughts or perspectives about what might be going on inside her head. I often wonder if she?s suffered a traumatic event at some point in her life but there?s certainly nothing I?m aware of. Where can I start?

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Binfullofresolutionsfor10thjan · 12/01/2013 02:18

Why do these posts always have question marks in strange places?

Dryjuice25 · 12/01/2013 02:42

Bin, I'm assuming the OP's apostrophe button is not working??

Sorry you are going through this. Does your wife use MN? Are you expecting that she might see your op?
It sounds like there isan awful lot going on than just post childbirth lack of libido. You mentioned that DW is a bit depressed. Has she sought any advice/medication re this issue. She might be more depressed than you realise. Or does she worry about having sex when the kids are in the house?

Since you still enjoy each other's company, I feel a little hopeful for you in as far as your marriage goes. But I think that you really have to accept that your DW might really not want to have sex at all in which case you'd have to decide whether you are happy living a life without intimacy.

I used to hate any kind of intimacy with ex just because I couldn't stand fag ash breath and it got worse and worse until we had to call kit a day.

Dryjuice25 · 12/01/2013 02:44

worries even

liverLadyLass · 12/01/2013 02:53

hi sorry but sounds like she loves you but doesn't want you in that way anymore, and try's not to get into a situation were she lets you down by getting your hopes up with kissing etc
or maybe all the effort you put into it only adds to the pressure.

DopamineHit · 12/01/2013 03:02

No idea re question marks. Post looked fine in the preview...

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izzyizin · 12/01/2013 03:52

It sounds as if you've never been sexually compatible with your dw and, without wishing to delve into the whys and wherefores, as you've been going round in circles for 5 years, it's up to you to decide how much longer you're willing to tolerate not just the lack of physical intimacy, but also the lack of honesty from your dw as to why she doesn't want to have sex with you.

Given that she stonewalls you whenever you've tried to discuss it with her, all you can do is resort to shock tactics.

Sit her down and say something on the lines of 'Being unable to express my love for you in physical ways for so many years has led me to question why we are staying in what has become a marriage of convenience and pretence.

I'm not in any way attempting to apportion blame for the situation we find ourselves in but, as it seems to me that you are most probably as unhappy as I am about our lack of intimacy, we should give consideration to divorce by mutual consent as this will set us free to look to others to rediscover the joy of sex that seems to have eluded us".

This may make her open up about her feelings, or she may agree to attend joint counselling with Relate or similar or seek individual counselling for herself but, if not, and if she prevaricates or stonewalls, you'll need to decide whether you're willing to continue to invest in a sexless marriage.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 12/01/2013 09:50

"I?d appreciate any thoughts or perspectives about what might be going on inside her head. "

Very simply take her on face value when she says she she feels suffocated. When affection is rejected rather than just penetrative sex, that's usually because someone has completely switched off the other person emotionally rather than it being a loss of libido. If you and your DW were people on your first date and she recoiled at holding hands, would you think this was the girl for you or would you think there was no future in it?

Definitely you have to have an honest conversation about how this makes you feel and your fears for the future. Currently she feels suffocated and you feel unloved. If you can't resolve that it may be that the relationship has run its course.

BTW... clamping your head to her chest means she didn't want to look at your face... sorry.

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