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Help! My father is ruining himself ... again!

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TailChasingCat · 06/01/2013 12:23

NC as this will definitely make me identifiable. I'll try to be brief but this may still be longish.

So my father has just got divorced from his second wife. Due to their previous living arrangements this means that he's now once again unemployed (he used to work for his wife, she's moving abroad).

My father has always been a slightly unpredictable type. he has a major tendency to get into things with a great deal of enthusiasm and only a minor if any clue. He has not worked in his actual profession since my mother and he separated at the time of his textbook midlife crisis. He has managed to go bankrupt while running the most popular pub in town, though, and has also successfully spent the entire insurance payment from when his house was entirely destroyed by flooding some ten years ago.

Two years ago, my grandmother (who suffers from advanced dementia) burned her house down while cooking. It's now mostly a burned out shell. My father now tells me that he would like to acquire the property by buying his brothers out.

Bad idea IMHO because ...

  • This was a dark, cramped house to begin with.
  • My uncles demand twice(!!!) the estimated worth of the property
  • By my father's own admission, making it habitable again is going to cost at least four times as much (we're talking half a million here, roughly)
  • the property is located in a cold, shadowy spot in a small village. Population has been declining for the last 30 years

... and the biggie: It's located right next to the main runway of a major air base! During takeoffs - basically the whole week and some nights - it's virtually impossible to hold a conversation inside.

The total cost of this is likely to be in the region of what my mother paid for her lovely, modern, light 5 bedroom semi in a much more central (and quiet!) location.

As mentioned above, my father cannot currently afford this on the basis of his income. he doesn't have an income apart from JSA. He does have a pension, though, which he would like to have paid out in order to finance this project. He has done this once before when he opened a pub (not financially successful - see above).

My dad is now 56. He will qualify for a state pension in some 10 years time. Given his career history and his general attitude, I very much doubt that he will get anything more than the very basic pension (which depends on your last salary where we live).

Given some legal specialties where we live (currently in Switzerland) I'm seriously afraid that I will end up supporting him all through his old age and will end up solely responsible. I have one sister who is lovely but for various reasons can't cope with a full time job and lives on the verge of poverty.

I'm a professional with what is theoretically a very promising career and an above average salary. However, I am interested in having my own children in the next few years or so. I'd also like to reduce my hours somewhat in order to have something like at least the semblance of a life outside the office.

My father is lovely - but he's also one of the naivest people I know. He has some mental health issues and simply can't seem to assess situations very realistically much of the time. I have raised my concerns with him - he won't listen. In his mind, every young family with four kids will want to live in his house and pay through their nose for the privilege. He's also keen for my sister and me to inherit what is IMO an unsellable property.

Please help me talk some sense into him. I really want a life of my own and can't be responsible for my dad before I'm even 40!

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TailChasingCat · 06/01/2013 12:24

Okay, this is a novel. Sorry!

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 06/01/2013 12:30

You can't 'talk sense' into someone who doesn't want to listen. You paint yourself as a very successful, together kind of person - also rather selfish if you'll pardon the observation - and I can see why you'd regard your father's erratic behaviour as your job to fix and his failures embarrassing but there's a limit to what you can constructively do.

If you suspect his mental health issues are resurfacing... would that be mania or bi-polar disorder?... and he is not getting the treatment or he's stopped taking the tablest. then you could contact his GP, state your concerns, and ask for them to visit and make a mental health assessment.

TailChasingCat · 06/01/2013 12:45

Cogito I don't view this as my job to fix, so to speak.

The problem is that in Switzerland there is such as thing as the right to financial support from your direct relatives - and since I'm his only direct relative with a decent income that translates as "support from me".

In other words: the state may end up seeing this as my job. Which I desperately want to avoid.

I realise that this is somewhat selfish. Then again: my dad left us when he had his midlife crisis and has not contributed a penny to our living expenses or education since. which makes me feel rather disinclined to finance his follies in return.

WRT his mental health: we don't actually know what exactly is wrong with him, but we all suspect that it's the result of a little too much 'experimenting' gone wrong. Doesn't help that my dad doesn't do mainstream medicine.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 06/01/2013 12:51

Is he in Switzerland?

TailChasingCat · 06/01/2013 12:54

Yes, we both are. We're also both Swiss nationals (I'm British too but Swiss jurisdiction overrides this here).

Mum is British, we lived in England for most of our lives but he went back after they got divorced.

DH and I have been here since summer because I've had a great job offer.

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CogitoErgoSometimes · 06/01/2013 13:00

And would a Swiss GP pay a house-call to a man with a record of mental illness the way they would do in the UK?

tzella · 06/01/2013 13:47

A distant ex of mine was always full of clueless enthusiasms and very up and down. He once got 8 credit cards, spent all the money and fell into a put of despair, expecting me to sort it out, and his wealthy patents ended up bailing him out. After we broke up he bought some land in the Caribbean. Seriously. Not beach front on the quiet end of the island but a useless mangrove swamp. I mean, seriously. He was utterly conned and spent thousands being ecstatically taken for a ride by his new best island friends. He never got a diagnoses that I'm aware of, and this was complicated by him having a disability (physically but can manifest mentally). I ran far far away from him. It was the simplest and less frightening thing to think that he was naive but he wasn't. He wasn't entirely well. I don't think your dad sounds entirely well.

DistanceCall · 06/01/2013 16:10

I think you need to sit down with him and make it very clear to him, black on white, that neither you nor your sister want that property, that it's crap and unsellable, that his siblings are trying to con him, and that you will not be supporting him later on any more than the minimum required by law.

And be harsh. It may be that he needs a short, sharp shock to think a bit more clearly.

Mollydoggerson · 06/01/2013 16:14

You can't control him. You can't predict the future.

He might be throwing himself into silly decisions but they are his not yours. All you can do is spell out to him very clearly that you will not be bailing him out in the future.

fuzzywuzzy · 06/01/2013 16:36

Ca your father currently claim financial support from you?

If not, I would sit him Dow explain in no uncertain terms he's NOT buying the property for you & your sister & that you will not support him financially in future.

Then I'd ensure I leave Switzerland before he becomes a legal dependent.

Cold, possibly. But I wouldn't expect my children to be running around and financially supporting either feckless ex when they're grown up, or me.

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