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reallynotright · 05/01/2013 11:00

DP and I have been together 12 years, 2DC, 6 & 2.5yrs and I think we are broken Sad

We both have faults, lots of resentment, hostility and anger. It's obvious to me this is not good for the children and I am banging my head on a brick wall that DP can't see we are simply not happy or right together, and there are unresolved issues.

I have been working on and taking responsibility for my behaviour (snappy, irritable and shouty to DP and DC, resentful to DP for not helping out enough) and always try to minimise the impact on the children, if I lapse. DP doesn't have this awareness though and I don't think he can see his role in our troubles. DC deserve so much better than this, it is breaking my heart.

At times I am honestly scared I will be taking all the responsibility/blame if we break up, that DP will get nasty and I will break under the strain. He said a few years ago, during a row, that if we ever broke up he would take the children and say I was "nutty and couldn't cope".

This is deeply offensive and hurtful for many reasons, and on many levels, which he knows.

It terrified me at the time, and it was a good time later (about a year) when I felt strong enough to pull him on it and show him it as abusive. He said he didn't remember and that it was likely just a heat of the moment thing and he obviously (?) didn't mean it. We did go on to have a positive talk about if we did ever split, we would always be able to work things out positively as we usually do, and because the DC will always need both of us as parents to do that (although I realise now these were my words and sentiment to which he agreed). But it has stayed with me, that he could even think and say such a thing.

He can also be disrespectful around my lack of libido, and gets angry and hostile when I turn down his advances (usually late at night when he comes to bed and I am exhausted) and threatens to move permanently to the spare room. He has said we will not get married all the while the lack of sex is an issue, which is fair enough in some ways. I however need to hear and believe this is not an issue if my libido is ever to return (ie take the pressure away) which he struggles to comprehend.

At the same time he also says he will never leave, he is not a deserter and that he cannot entertain the idea of him living in a shared house and only seeing his children at the weekends.

So we are at stale mate.

There is a lot more. A key issue at the moment for me is imbalance in responsibility around the house and parenting, particularly since I want to return to work, developing a new venture which is enormously positive. He thinks I am being selfish and wants me to wait until the children are older. On the other hand I believe it is important for my self-esteem, and will make me a better person, parent and partner.

But, I also know I need his full support if I am to make it work. So I am feeling heartbroken and a failure on both fronts.

This is sounding awful isn't it? I am also in danger of developing a fantasy crush (would never act on) on someone who shares my passion, level and understanding around things that are important to me. I know it's just a symptom of the troubles in our relationship, but it's a crush on someone who could be really helpful to my venture so now I am likely to mess this up too.

I have made the wrong choices, and I am questioning why things have got this far. What a fuck up Sad

Thank you if you got to the end of this and sorry if slow to repond to any replies. I am meant to be writing a funding bid but all this is floating around in my head Confused.

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AlwaysOneMissing · 05/01/2013 18:03

Some of the things you write could have come from me, we sound very similar. I also need praise and acknowledgment of my efforts for me to be happy and succeed in doing something (eldest child syndrome?! Grin)

Your DH sounds like he plays on this though, and may use it as your weak spot.
He has openly encouraged and praised the actions which he wants you to continue (housework and childcare) and has positively discouraged behaviour that he doesn't want (independence, starting your business). He knows the effect that this will be having on you, and he is using it to manipulate you.

Reading between the lines this doesn't sound like a particularly healthy relationship, and it seems DH gets a lot more out of it than you do.

reallynotright · 05/01/2013 18:59

I find it hard to believe anyone can exist without praise and acknowledgement. I am sure it is part of the human condition.

I am youngest child as it goes, but actually in role of eldest most of the time - but don't start me off about that!

No, it is not healthy relationship and even after years of therapy it seems I still succumb to giving too much of myself and not taking enough.

Big thank you to everyone who has posted, can't quite believe how many of you took the time to wade through my enormous OP Grin
But tis much appreciated.

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ladyWordy · 05/01/2013 19:07

I think everyone needs praise or some kind of acknowledgement, or appreciation.

It's very difficult to do things in an appreciation vacuum. You can do things, you can feel proud of yourself, but it makes a huge difference if someone notices or cares. And it's mildly depressing not to be appreciated at all, however hard you try.

... I asked him what he thought my strengths and qualities were, what attracted him to me - he said "you're good at cleaning and good with the DC". When pushed for more he honestly couldn't think of one other thing to say

A thought: suppose it's not because he has difficulty expressing himself. Suppose he was speaking the literal truth. That he sees you as a useful household staff member. :(

It seems to be all about him, servicing his requirements, and how effectively you do it (hence your work being a 'stressor'). This is very controlling and not really the loving, supportive relationship you deserve reallynotright.

susanann · 05/01/2013 20:06

OP yes we all need to be loved, valued and appreciated. You are clearly not getting that from this man. The thing is you dont want your DCs to see this and copy it. I think you should go for it with your venture and when (if not before) you are more financially stable chuck him out. You deserve so much more. Good luck x

reallynotright · 05/01/2013 21:23

Thank you for all the good wishes. Somehow I thought I 'd get a flaming.

Basically I want to be with someone who motivates the fuck out of me. So to speak Wink

That's what this crush is showing me. He showed passion and consciensiousness about what he was doing, and it happens to be in the same area as my venture so it was exciting. Our interaction sparked my flame. DP sadly lacks understanding of how occupation can envoke passion and motivation. Probably because he did not try hard enough at school (he'd be first to admit that) and is bitter about his own potential, though gawd knows I (and his mother) have tried to encourage and support him to supplement with more studying now. There are always obstacles. Usually (I think) because it means putting work in the evenings and weekends, and self discipline.

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reallynotright · 05/01/2013 21:34

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Allergictoironing · 05/01/2013 22:04

DP sadly lacks understanding of how occupation can envoke passion and motivation. Probably because he did not try hard enough at school (he'd be first to admit that) and is bitter about his own potential, though gawd knows I (and his mother) have tried to encourage and support him to supplement with more studying now. There are always obstacles. Usually (I think) because it means putting work in the evenings and weekends, and self discipline.

This could have a fair bit to do with his attitude to you and your work. You're a smart lady, and he could geel that you doing well professionally somehow undermines his importance, and shows him in a bad light. If he can persuade you to wait a few more years (which would stretch to forever) or even sabotage your work, he can keep his place & status as head of the household & therefore the most important

Lozislovely · 05/01/2013 22:07

Could have written your post OP, except I'm 20 years down the line and finally coming to my senses!

I've got to the point if despising DH for want of trying to make things better (despite the fact he cheated on me 3 times with prostitutes - though that was my fault as I didn't want sex - PND!!!).

Follow your heart, that's what I'm doing, even if the road is rocky, I know in my heart of hearts that I deserve a better life Smile

reallynotright · 05/01/2013 22:27

Thanks to Lozilovely. And I really hope you find your mojo in new beginnings too Smile Good Luck.

Allergitoironing I can't believe it is me on this post. I've read so many where everyone points out the abuse and unhealthiness of their relationship.
You've reminded me of a time when DP so totally let me down when I had to prepare to deliver a training course. He invited an old friend to visit, got wrecked together and totally unfit to look after DC. It really stuffed me up and I said it would be the last time he ever let me down like that.

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snowshapes · 05/01/2013 23:36

Hi again, I think allergictoironing is spot on the money. You having a life outside the home, let alone a successful and motivated one, is threatening to your partner. My husband is pretty much the same with taking his time doing his thing so it is late in the day before I get my couple of hours to work. I also understand why you feel resentful of this. I hadn't quite figured it out but I feel the same, plus it devalues you and erodes your sense of worth.

I wish you all the best for your venture, sounds like you have a worthwhile, positive contribution to make and I hope you find the strength and self-believe to go for it, even if your partner tries to hold you back.

reallynotright · 06/01/2013 22:33

Thank you snowshapes. It's really odd because he does actually swing from suggesting I work full time and he be the SAHP. But it seems he is incapable of supporting me (in the way that I need) in any advancement towards that.

Very Sad right now and I can't quite believe what has happened today. I am so bloody Angry

DP (or should that be P) has been massivily out of order with the DCs from what I can tell. Again, it could all be something (I think so), it could all be nothing (he thinks totally justified) but there is no reassurance, or acknowledgement of my feelings either way, or the DCs it seems. And against the backdrop of you lovely people's thoughts from yesterday, it is pretty fucking clear cut right now.

I think that's nails in the coffin I can hear.

Tired, shocked and exhausted so bed now, but try to post more tomorrow.

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AbigailAdams · 06/01/2013 23:08

Reallynotright he sounds awful (and abusive as he really doesn't care for your well being only his own). What are you getting out of the relationship now? In what way does he enhance your life or make it easier?

Because to us it sounds like he is just dragging a vibrant and excited woman down (again, abusive) because he doesn't want you to flourish. When he said you were selfish (over changing your life) did he ever consider stepping up and looking afte the children or the fact that he has been "selfishly" working out of the house for all these years persuing his goals?

And if he is out of order with the children, what is he bringing to their lives in a positive way?

No need to answer all these questions here reallynotright, just think about them. I think you know what you need to do you just need to take that deep breath.

And he won't get the children, no matter what he says. You are primary carer.

AbigailAdams · 06/01/2013 23:09

And a hug to you too. You sound like you have had a shit day.

reallynotright · 08/01/2013 10:07

Thank you AbigailAdams, and again thanks for all of the replies.

I'm probably going to stop posting anymore detail on this thread now as I am getting RL support and in danger of outing myself (and my poor fanjo Blush)

The key thing I am taking from this thread is this:

And you've been working on taking responsibility for your behaviour. This too tends to occur when someone is worn down by conflict and low level abuse (or maybe not so low level) ... They begin to snap at people, feel guilty, and try to improve, pretty much on a continuing basis. It's exhausting.
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Thank you ladyWordy for that. Utterly spot on. I feel a total fool for not recognising this enough myself. Sadly, from knowing a bit about this kind of stuff already, it's probably something that is way too commonly overlooked, but I hope any lurkers in a similar position reading this can gain strength in knowing there are people out there who understand - I have. Smile

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dequoisagitil · 08/01/2013 17:20

I'm glad you're getting real life support and hope you continue with your project, it sounds like it is really worthwhile.

ladyWordy · 08/01/2013 19:27

reallynotright it sounds as if you and DC have really been through the mill over the last few days. :(

It's good you have RL support, as you need all your strength and resources to support your new venture. Wishing you every success - it sounds groundbreaking. Wine

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