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"But We Took You To Stately Homes!" - Survivors of Dysfunctional Families

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 04/01/2013 14:12

Thread opener here: webaunty.co.uk/mumsnet/ Smile
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It's January 2013, and the Stately Home is still open to visitors.

Forerunning threads:
December 2007
March 2008
August 2008
February 2009
May 2009
January 2010
April 2010
August 2010
March 2011
November 2011
January 2012
November 2012

Please check later posts in this thread for links & quotes. The main thing is: "they did do it to you" - and you can recover.


Welcome to the Stately Homes Thread.

This is a long running thread which was originally started up by 'pages' see <a class="break-all" href="http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/440839-but-we-took-you-to-stately-homes-a-thread-for" target="_blank">original thread here</a> (December 2007)

So this thread originates from that thread and has become a safe haven for Adult children of abusive families.

One thing you will never hear on this thread is that your abuse or experience was not that bad. You will never have your feelings minimised the way they were when you were a child, or now that you are an adult. To coin the phrase of a much respected past poster Ally90;

'Nobody can judge how sad your childhood made you, even if you wrote a novel on it, only you know that. I can well imagine any of us saying some of the seemingly trivial things our parents/siblings did to us to many of our real life acquaintances and them not understanding why we were upset/angry/hurt etc. And that is why this thread is here. It's a safe place to vent our true feelings, validate our childhood/lifetime experiences of being hurt/angry etc by our parents? behaviour and to get support for dealing with family in the here and now.'

Most new posters generally start off their posts by saying; but it wasn't that bad for me or my experience wasn't as awful as x,y or z's. 

Some on here have been emotionally abused and/or physically abused. Some are not sure what category (there doesn?t have to be any) they fall into.

NONE of that matters. What matters is how 'YOU' felt growing how 'YOU' feel now and a chance to talk about how and why those childhood experiences and/or current parental contact has left you feeling damaged falling apart from the inside out and stumbling around trying to find your sense of self-worth. 

You might also find the following links and information useful if you have come this far and are still not sure whether you belong here or not.

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0553814826/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0553814826&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">'Toxic Parents' by Susan Forward.</a>

I started with this book and found it really useful.

Here are some excerpts:

"Once you get going, most toxic parents will counterattack. After all, if they had the capacity to listen, to hear, to be reasonable, to respect you feelings, and to promote your independence, they wouldn't be toxic parents. They will probably perceive your words as treacherous personal assaults. They will tend to fall back on the same tactics and defenses that they have always used, only more so.

Remember, the important thing is not their reaction but your response. If you can stand fast in the face of your parents' fury, accusations, threats and guilt-peddling, you will experience your finest hour.

Here are some typical parental reactions to confrontation:

"It never happened". Parents who have used denial to avoid their own feelings of inadequacy or anxiety will undoubtedly us it during confrontation to promote their version of reality. They'll insist that your allegations never happened, or that you're exaggerating. They won't remember, or they will accuse you of lying.

YOUR RESPONSE: Just because you don't remember, doesn't mean it didn't happen".

"It was your fault." Toxic parents are almost never willing to accept responsibility for their destructive behavior. Instead, they will blame you. They will say that you were bad, or that you were difficult. They will claim that they did the best that they could but that you always created problems for them. They will say that you drove them crazy. They will offer as proof the fact that everybody in the family knew what a problem you were. They will offer up a laundry list of your alleged offenses against them.

YOUR RESPONSE: "You can keep trying to make this my fault, but I'm not going to accept the responsibility for what you did to me when I was a child".

"I said I was sorry what more do you want?" Some parents may acknowledge a few of the things that you say but be unwilling to do anything about it.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I appreciate your apology, but that is just a beginning. If you're truly sorry, you'll work through this with me to make a better relationship."

"We did the best we could." Some parents will remind you of how tough they had it while you were growing up and how hard they struggled. They will say such things as "You'll never understand what I was going through," or "I did the best I could". This particular style of response will often stir up a lot of sympathy and compassion for your parents. This is understandable, but it makes it difficult for you to remain focused on what you need to say in your confrontation. The temptation is for you once again to put their needs ahead of your own. It is important that you be able to acknowledge their difficulties without invalidating your own.

YOUR RESPONSE: "I understand that you had a hard time, and I'm sure that you didn't hurt me on purpose, but I need you to understand that the way you dealt with your problems really did hurt me"

"Look what we did for you." Many parents will attempt to counter your assertions by recalling the wonderful times you had as a child and the loving moments you and they shared. By focusing on the good things, they can avoid looking at the darker side of their behavior. Parents will typically remind you of gifts they gave you, places they took you, sacrifices they made for you, and thoughtful things they did. They will say things like, "this is the thanks we get," or "nothing was ever enough for you."

YOUR RESPONSE: I appreciate those things very much, but they didn't make up for ....

"How can you do this to me?" Some parents act like martyrs. They'll collapse into tears, wring their hands, and express shock and disbelief at your "cruelty". They will act as if your confrontation has victimized them. They will accuse you of hurting them, or disappointing them. They will complain that they don't need this, they have enough problems. They will tell you that they are not strong enough or healthy enough to take this, that the heartache will kill them. Some of their sadness will, of course, be genuine. It is sad for parents to face their own shortcomings, to realize that they have caused their children significant pain. But their sadness can also be manipulative and controlling. It is their way of using guilt to try to make you back down from the confrontation.

YOUR RESPONSE: I'm sorry you're upset. I'm sorry you're hurt. But I'm not willing to give up on this. I've been hurting for a long time, too."

Helpful Websites

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.alice-miller.com/index_en.php" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Alice Miller</a>

<a class="break-all" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_disorder" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Personality Disorders definition</a>

Follow up to pages first thread:

I?m sure the other posters will be along shortly to add anything they feel I have left out. I personally don?t claim to be sorted but I will say my head has become a helluva lot straighter since I started posting here. You will receive a lot of wisdom but above all else the insights and advice given will 'always' be delivered with warmth and support.

Happy Posting (smithfield posting as therealsmithfield)

I have cut and pasted this because I think it is fab. Just in case anyone misses the link.

More helpful links:

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Daughters of narcissistic mothers</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://outofthefog.net/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Out of the FOG</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.vachss.com/av_dispatches/disp_9408_a.html" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">You carry the cure in your own heart</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.havoca.org/HAVOCA_home.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Help for adult children of child abuse</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.pete-walker.com/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Pete Walker</a>

Some books:

<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0749910542/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0749910542&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Homecoming</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1439129436/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1439129436&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Will I ever be good enough?</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0060929324/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0060929324&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">If you had controlling parents</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0385304234/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0385304234&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">When you and your mother can't be friends</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/1572245611/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=1572245611&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Children of the self-absorbed</a>
<a class="break-all" href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0671701355/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&linkCode=as2&camp=1634&creative=19450&creativeASIN=0671701355&tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-relationships-1650915-But-We-Took-You-To-Stately-Homes-Survivors-of-Dysfunctional-Families" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Recovery of your inner child</a>
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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 23/02/2013 10:41

Yes, even when married, ExH basically didn't consider me to be eligible for Mothers Day as our kids were very young Hmm Never had breakfast in bed, flowers or lunch cooked for me or taken out. I'll get a home made card before the day from my kids, they're both very young, that's it.

I'm so glad I gave up facebook for lent. I don't think I could cope with all the happy status updates and pictures on the day, from all my friends who are happily married or who have a good relationship with their Mum's.

Makes me sound bitter though doesn't it? Blush It just hurts and makes me realise what I do not have.

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 23/02/2013 18:02

My paranoia about what people think of me, fear of being misunderstood and being convinced no one likes me, is in full force today. I wish I could rid myself of these feelings and gain some self belief/ confidence. I rarely invite people over, I do not ring people, as I think 'why would they want to come here, or speak to me, I'm dull, I have nothing to say, my flat isn't exactly a show home, on a one parent low income etc'

Growing up, my parents were always criticising and judging people. For Christians, they were rather shamefully good at it Sad Even speaking badly about one of my brothers often. I used to leave the room, as I disliked it so much. But I know that most of my issues as an adult are due to them. My Mum spent a lot of time telling me what people would think of me if I did x, y or z and saying when I was badly behaved that those around me at the time thought x etc. I'm sure they never said anything, it was what she thought they thought.

At the dinner table at Christmas, as I've mentioned before, they always brought up how difficult I was as a child. I also had this habit of giving up on things and not finishing anything. I'd learn instruments and not see it through. Looking back, I just struggled so much from lack of encouragement or praise. I try to be the opposite with my kids, but I need to do more, to be a better Mum. The guilt is so strong; to want to do everything right and never repeat the same patterns.

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FairyFi · 23/02/2013 18:51

tick tick Dont

FairyFi · 23/02/2013 18:51

see my previous posting

Salbertina · 23/02/2013 19:15

Don't- Buddhist saying "we are not our thoughts" comforts me at times

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 24/02/2013 09:05

That's a nice saying.

It's my Dad's birthday today and he's away but he hasn't spoken to me in almost a year. Life is easier not seeing him and he's been so awful to me but for some reason today feels especially hard. I'm feeling very grumpy/ wanting to cry.

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 24/02/2013 09:05

In fact I may put it on my fridge Salbertina.

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Salbertina · 24/02/2013 10:13

Smile glad of comfort to you too.

Birthdays are hard, aren't they? Take care of yourself.

unschoolmum · 24/02/2013 10:26

I often believe that I am a bad/horrible person and worry that no one will like me. I found Toxic Parents and Alice Miller very useful at understanding the pain I experienced as a child and how to move/cope forward with my relationship with my parents. However, I didn?t feel ?healed?. I have recently been working through a book (also listed above) called Children of the Self Absorbed. I have found this books really useful. The book is full of checklists and simple exercises. It takes you through identifying what type of narcissistic parent you have, then you give yourself affirmation, then you identify your own level of toxicity and what kind of toxic acts you display (ironically many of mine are similar to my parents), you are then guided through overcoming these toxic effects and finally how to stop hurting and how to strengthen yourself and build a new and better self. It?s early days but I can see some light.

VivaLeBeaver · 24/02/2013 11:53

Right am coming back to this for more advice.

Quick summary, I've been NC with my mum for only a couple of weeks after walking out of her house after she started slagging me and dd off. All over the fact that she didn't think dd's hair was brushed well enough and accused me of neglecting dd in a nasty sneery tone. It's isn't the first time she's been a nasty toxic bitch and I'm fed up with it all. I waited in the garden for dd to follow me out and mum said to dd as she was putting her boots on that dd could always call social services if I wasn't spending enough time with her. Since then she's rang my brother up and told him I was rude to her and flounced out and that she thinks dd is self harming (she isn't).

It's not the first time she's criticised me and put me down to my dd. according to dd my mum does this quite a bit if I'm not there. I've mentioned this to my mum before who pretty much denied it, said dd was exaggerating and changed the subject.

She emailed me a few days later saying she was sorry if she'd upset me and that she hadn't meant to.

I ignored that email.

Since got another one saying she's making a living will thingy and she's putting me down as having power of attorney and asking if that's ok. That was a week ago and so far I've ignored that one.

But my resolve is weakening. Especially with Mother's Day coming up. I just don't know if I can keep the NC up, I feel awful about it. But at the same time the last couple of weeks have been so nice. It's kind of relaxing not having to think about going round to see her. She's always pressurising me to see her more than I do, thinks I should go round every weekend, etc.

I just don't know what to do.

unschoolmum · 24/02/2013 12:15

Viva, I have the same problems with maintaining zero or low contact with my parents. However, I recently spent a great deal of time working out what it was about my parents behaviour that upset me so much. I requested the following from them:

  1. You respect the choices I have made for my children. I feel strongly about the choices I make and give a lot of thought to them.

  2. You refrain from undermining our decisions by persuading, assessing, interrogating or testing our children.

  3. You do not subject the children to physical or humiliating discipline. This includes smacking, hitting, time out or exclusion of any kind. (You refrain from trying to make up for what you see as our lack of discipline by hurting our children.)

  4. You refrain from criticising things I (or the children) have bought, made, repaired etc.

  5. You refrain from using any of the upsetting nicknames you labelled me with as a child.

  6. You conduct an open discussion to find a fair resolution of your Estate. (You refrain from using the comments of an 8 year old child to determine decisions that affect the entire family.)

Their reply was was very very toxic. It allowed me to see that zero or low contact is the only way to protect me and my children. They were unable to offer me ANY of the above! This provided me with the answer I needed.

FairyFi · 24/02/2013 13:17

thats very sad unschool and I think such a open attempt at reconciliation with them, but as I was reading it I was thinking how much abuse I would ahve received from either parents, as well as ex P if I had said (and in the past have 'tried' to say all to no avail).

I was reading through the postings to see whats helpful reading ... I've just started reading, Daugther of Narcissus, and really need some good 'life changing' stuff here.

I'm completely stuck, having faced all of this stuff that my life was built upon, I now don't seem to know the way forward anymore. This is a bit scarey.

VivaLeBeaver · 24/02/2013 13:32

Yes perhaps a polite but blunt email spelling out exactly what she does that upsets me and how it must stop might be the way forward. Making it clear its her last chance and if she starts again then I will cut contact for good. I'm also going to make sure that she is never alone with DD again.

FairyFi · 24/02/2013 14:39

If I could do it 'the right way' [to my mind Wink ] I would use the next 'outbreak' of narc antics to state clearly its unacceptable and I'm off. I did manage to do that to my father after he reduced me to a sobbing wreck shaking and fearful, instead of trying to make it better [what?!?! yep, normally I would try to help everyone over the evetns!) I just got up and walked out. I never saw him again, but he did phone me (the only time ever), to tell me he was a bastard, and I simply agreed, he didn't apologise though! Shock Hmm trouble is it seems he could never stop himself being a bastard (weird considering he was only ever a bastard to us, I use to wonder why he never abused the man in the fish&chip shop that he would see regularly, or anybody else atall in his life outside of the house [not home] extended family think he's lovely guy narcM just told people he has trouble with his nerves and blamed us for his vile tempers and incessant 'baiting'. So I never did do that with her, it was acomplicated series of events, but I put the responsibility on her to make a plan for us, and to consider my wants, she never called again. I did then grieve her like she'd died, or maybe I grew up, but I finally disconnected from her.

So don't know if that helps you to know how you might handle yours viva but a lot of what I experienced in terms of their reactions has been validated on here. I think, be ready for no change atall, might be worth preparing for? warmest wishes.

VivaLeBeaver · 24/02/2013 15:44

I think you're right that there would be no change or what change there may be would be very temporary. However I'd least then I think I'd feel less guilt.....that shed been warned very bluntly but carried on.

I wish I was stronger/ more selfish so I could just do what's right for me rather than worrying about her been lonely and sad.

FairyFi · 24/02/2013 16:11

.... went through that too, I guess I was left wondering where's their guilt? (but did feel terrible guilt at the stage you're at).

FairyFi · 24/02/2013 16:13

.. have to say I no longer see it the way I did when still in it.... it broke my heart to do it, and I grieved for some years after, but you have another family and life to go on with.

Hissy · 24/02/2013 18:05

I think I may have fallen out with DM, and her H.

They are the last people in my 'family' that I have anything to do with. With them gone, that is it.

Her H asked me a question, concerning handing over personal info for a work security thing to do with his DD (with whom I have no direct contact, no issues or anything) I gave the info, without knowing any details of what and why this was needed, but said that if there was any more info required, I would need to be contacted directly and informed as to why MY info was needed for something I'm not actually involved in)

He got a bit funny, referred to my 'side of the family' as the tricky side and when I asked him what he meant by that, he went off on one, calling me a liar, shouting and not listening to a word I said, and hung up. He hung up TWICE more. So I texted my DM saying that DS would not be coming over as planned that day. They were going to have him for 2 days at the end of Half term. I felt sick at the prospect of him being there with DM's H in a mood.

So she texts me later that evening with a 'we all know you don't get on with one another.. but what affect does that have on my looking after my GS?'

Erm... WHAT? Her H was the one that went postal! out of the BLUE! So it's clear that I'm to be blamed again and the man in her life will be allowed to get away with that kind of behaviour.

I was going to just let it lie, but the sick feeling in my stomach, at this unresolved fear was too much. I couldn't leave it. She's not contacted me, neither has he. So there they are sat there in a huddle, blaming me. Again. I didn't ACTUALLY do anything.

So...

I sent a text yesterday (3 days after) saying not to blame me for his outburst, and to point out that he would never shout at a next door neighbour like this, so why would I take it, and moreover, why would she allow that? I also said that her allowing me to be treated like this again and again creates an unhealthy environment for anyone. I said that it's for HER to resolve.

No answer.

I can't do anymore, this is not for me to resolve, I have done nothing to apologise for, so can't do that.

I'm trying to be strong, reminding myself that anytime I ever needed her for anything, like a hand hold, a there-there, or a simple How Are You, she took to the hills, or literally to the ends of the earth to avoid it. I know that I have a right to be treated with basic respect and courtesy. I know that I have a right NOT to be shouted at or hung up on, by anyone.

I know that to expect anything more of her is idiotic of me, when she has never ever been there for me emotionally, and in fact has scuppered my recovery in many ways when given the opportunity to slyly get away with it.

I feel like crap, this is IT now isn't it?

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 24/02/2013 20:11

Oh Hissy I'm sorry. You've behaved with dignity and respect here. You've done nothing wrong. His behaviour was unacceptable and she's enabling it. She shouldn't allow him to treat you like that ever. In fact she shouldn't be with him at all and her behaviour here is unbelievable. I think for now, you need to walk away from it all, but it's so painful.

My Dad was an arsehole to me but I still well up when I think about the fact he won't speak to me and we've had no contact (apart from a few words in an e-mail from him at Christmas) in a year. It's a horrid feeling that the person who gave birth to you and is portrayed in the media as this loving figure, and the way you see other people's mothers behave but not yours, treats you so badly and it's not natural to go nc but I think you have to. For your own peace.

I wish I could say something more helpful but I really feel for you. It's so hard.

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Oopla · 24/02/2013 21:03

So sad reading about your experiences.

Can I ask you all. Did you always know you had lousy parents or was there a point you realised?

Hissy · 24/02/2013 21:33

Don'tstep Thanks. I know it's trivial. The end usually is isn't it? Sad

My father criticised me all my life, told me I was fat. I wasn't, but I believed him at the time. Everything I did was a negative. I was the brainy one, sister was the athletic (thin) one. Pictures don't lie, the ones I saw a few years ago are totally different to how I saw them as a teen. I know they are the same now as they were then, but I looked at myself with shame at the time, now I see a normal sized girl.

She never said anything to bolster me, or support me, or challenge him.

When DS was having poo issues, my DF told me it was DS way of punishing me. He chose his OW family over us, he hasn't changed, constant snipping, and stressy visits due to his judgemental behaviour. 'I suppose it's hard to keep the house clean when you are working...' I stopped talking to him last year. There is so little point to having him in my life. I do feel better now that he's not.

DM never asked me how I was when seriously depressed, not even after the OD.

My ExH, she continued to support and be nice to him when we were divorced, despite there being no reason to. She did this to spite me. She never asked me how I was. She rubbed the divorce/split in my face by booking a hotel room for me and him, 9 MONTHS after I had left.

My abusive ExP, when he left 2 years ago, she rang HIM to say goodbye, then buggered off on holiday to the other side of the world without saying goodbye to me, when it had been known for months when he was finally leaving, and when I would finally be alone and free. Took her a few days to call me when she got back, and then for weeks she couldn't get off the phone quick enough.

During the abusive relationship, if I happened to mention that I was having a rubbish day, even as blithely as that, I would not hear from her for 2-3 weeks. Literally. I was utterly isolated, thousands of miles away from anyone that cared, and being hideously abused, trapped in a flat for weeks at a time and sometimes hit.

SisterDearest went further. she ignored me too, but then told me after, when he'd left, that she did that on purpose. She knew that I thought she was just busy, but she told me that she wasn't that busy, she chose to ignore me. She was proud of what she did to me, she told me with a smile. Sad That hurt so bad, I didn't even feel it at the time. It took weeks to fully sink in. I don't talk to her anymore. My family have pressured me to get over myself. I can't ever make that right. I have tried.

I work with a new charity to fund free support for victims of DV. I give speeches to roomfuls of people, Doctors, The Army, politicians.

If I mention DV, DM always brings up people she knew that suffered from it. She never asked me how I was, how I was doing. Not when in therapy, not when going to the group, not when attending the FP.

I've been angry, I've ranted, I've cried, I've howled. I've sat in numb, disbelieving shock at the callousness of them all. I haven't confronted any of them. I know there is no point.

If I show them the proof, it will show them their failings. they won't allow that to happen, cos people who do what they do are BAD people, and they won't admit that.

I ought to be used to feeling this isolated. When does it stop hurting?

Hissy · 24/02/2013 21:39

She rubbed the divorce/split in my face by booking a hotel room for me and him, 9 MONTHS after I had left..

I meant to elaborate on that! thank god it's not AIBU! Family wedding, Hotel, I went to check in, as myself, maiden name, and there was no reservation. not in my name, she booked it in our married names, I had to explain to the sodding reception desk.

There are a million other little things, times when she has clipped my wings, but oh so quietly.

None of these things I would ever do to my DS.

Hissy · 24/02/2013 21:45

Oopla, I can't talk for others, but with me, I only realised WAY after the abusive ex left.

Only when I started to open up about the DV to people I knew and they asked if I had family support and I happened to mention that they had all gone on hols the week he was scheduled to leave. Only when OTHERS gasped, did I begin to see. For me, this is a new realisation, which is why it really bloody hurts, but it explains everything up to now.

We are conditioned to believe that our parents love us, and that so suggest otherwise is WRONG of US. The FEAR, OBLIGATION and GUILT (FOG) that we are raised with, clouds our thinking. Only when we step back and can see from a better perspective are things made clear to us.

I'll shut up now...

DontstepontheMomeRaths · 24/02/2013 21:51

Oopla by the time as I was teenager I knew and felt deeply unloved and despised by my father, my whole family were in on it. I was the scapegoat and if dad hit me, it was my fault that I wound him up etc.

I'm not sure when it stops hurting hissy, I have this numb ache within that I try and mask by my busy life but if I start to think about it, it rises to the surface again.

Your Mum is a complete narc Hissy. Your whole family sound wicked tbh. What an awful situation to go through, to then be minimised by your mother and sister. And I'm speechless about her booking a shared room.

My mil suggested I went up to visit her in Scotland with H, his ow he'd left me for and basically play happy families just after separation. I thought that was bad, but it pales to insignificance after reading your whole situation. No wonder it all hurts so much; my God you've been betrayed by your own mother, who didn't champion you or protect you at all. Seems like she couldn't have cared less about you Sad

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DontstepontheMomeRaths · 24/02/2013 21:52

I look at old family photos and it hurts. I look so unhappy in them and I was. It hurts seeing those pictures.

I need to buy that book mentioned below. I'm so scared of repeating things with my own DD.

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