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Reassure me I did the right thing people...

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GoddessofSuburbia · 04/01/2013 00:40

Though I'm also prepared to be told I didn't, even though this isn't AIBU...

First, some background because I haven't posted about this before, and I don't want to dripfeed. StbxDH and I split up 2 1/2 years ago. It was a mutual decision, and he went to live with his new partner; a woman he'd been seeing whilst we were together. StbxDH was emotionally, financially, and borderline sexually abuse- I'm receiving support from the local DV team for help coming to terms with this. The abuse has continued since we split, resulting in me needing to get my solicitor to write letters to him telling him to back off. He has, previously, refused to comply with mediation.

The issue tonight is that dd2 slammed her finger in the car door as she was closing it. She's 11, and therefore normally very capable of doing this, nothing similar has ever happened before etc, it was purely an accident. Immediately afterwards, her finger was swollen, the nail was bleeding, and as well as obviously causing her a lot of pain, she couldn't bend her finger at all. I wrapped a bit of gauze around finger, and put her hand into a sling (I've done a few courses on first aid), and gave her some painkillers. It seemed to me fairly obvious that taking her to A&E to get checked would be a good idea.

My other dd, during this time, had text her father telling him what had happened to dd2, and said to me, as I was on my way out of the door that I had to call him "like now- quick, before he kills me!". I had every intention of calling him after I had ensued dd2 had got medical attention, I hasten to add, it was just she was my priority at that point. In the event, he phoned me, asking what had happened and why was I taking her to the hospital. He wasn't satisfied with my answer when I told him why, and repeatedly stated he didn't think she needed to go, and if she did, he didn't want me taking her. I ignored him, and took her anyway.

At the hospital, I told the receptionist the full story, including that I was worried he would arrive at the hospital and start shouting at me- he's done that before, when dd1 was ill and he didn't think she needed attention. Whilst we were waiting to be triaged, he and his DP arrived and started questioning dd2, saying things like is it really that bad, can you really not move it, is it really necessary, does it really hurt; it looks alright to me. He told me that me taking her to be checked wasn't necessary, any normal person would have left it until the morning and seen how it was then. I stayed calm, and told him that considering I wasn't a doctor, a didn't feel able to make that judgement, and thus I thought erring on the side of caution was the best thing to do. He disagreed with me, raising his voice and being loud and aggressive. I suggested that bring the case, we could go speak to someone medically trained and discuss whether or not she needed to be seen, but that was what being triaged was for. At that point he settled down.

To cut an already long story short, she was seen, x-rayed, and had a dressing put on her finger. The nurse said that she had been very lucky as it wasn't broken, but that she needs to be seen by the practice nurse to have it redressed on Monday.

Now, my worries. I'm concerned by him telling me she didn't need to he seen by anyone when he, at that point, hadn't seen the injury. Based on the description I gave above, which is pretty much what I said to him, I felt she really needed medical attention. He told her she didn't need to be seen, and it was just an opportunity for me to enjoy an evening in A&E from the time he got there. I'm really worried that his behaviour has developed into a child protection/safeguarding issue. Obviously I'm going to talk it through with my solicitor tomorrow, but I'd really appreciate other people's perspectives. Did I do the right thing? Did I over-react?

Sorry for typos etc. I'm in my phone and even though it happened hours ago, I still feeling rather shaky.

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olgaga · 04/01/2013 01:38

midwives this is such a sad situation for you and Goddess.

I think the NSPCC are right in that there is no proof that the children wouldn't have received adequate care if the same thing happened in his charge. What is difficult is his unnecessary interference.

How old are the DDs? Are they old enough to discuss the appropriateness of his actions and the ability of their mum to decide whether medical attention is necessary?

Frankly I would always take a child for treatment if there was a suspected broken bone - I know from my own experience an untreated broken bone can lead to four operations in ten years!

And I have discussed the difficulty of nail injuries and infection above.

None of this is relevant though, it is the X's harassment and interference which is the issue.

I would seek legal advice to be honest.

None of you should have to put up with this. It's awful for you adults and no doubt damaging for the children.

independentfriend · 04/01/2013 01:40

Time for a conversation about Gillick competence with your daughters; ie. at 11 your younger daughter is approaching it and your eldest probably already has it. In this context it means they could seek treatment from a hospital/GP etc without telling either you or their father and some safeguarding issues aside, the health care staff would need to maintain confidentiality. They can use Gillick competence to stop him seeing their medical records, so unless they say something to him, he would never have to find out that they've been to hospital/seen a GP.

And as they're at this sort of age, if they don't want to be in contact with their father, it's increasingly likely a Court would respect their wishes on the matter. Forcing contact for reluctant teenagers doesn't help.

runningforthebusinheels · 04/01/2013 01:46

Yes, you did the right thing. I shut my finger in a car door as a child and was taken to casualty (as it was then) and had an x-ray.

You were not being unreasonable - but I totally get how an abusive partner can have you doubting yourself like this.

SolidGoldFrankensteinandmurgh · 04/01/2013 01:46

Go and see a solicitor - you may well be able to get statements from the doctors and nurses at the hospital about this man's unreasonable behaviour - and see if you can get his contact with DDs restricted to supervised only, and any contact between him and you prohibited. He is not a higher authority, he is not a superhero, he's just a nasty little inadequate loser who needs putting firmly in his place. If the DDS are so afraid of him you might well be able to get contact stopped altogether as it is not in their best interests (his interests are unimportant.)

MalibuStac · 04/01/2013 01:48

I'm so sorry to hear the stress and pressure your both being put under. He even seems to be controlling your relationship. Would it be worth documenting everything with a solicitor or yourselves in diaries, saving texts or emails?
Hope DD1 is ok and you manage to get something done about him.

ladyWordy · 04/01/2013 02:11

midwives.... he wanted to examine his own 12 yo daughter when she had a suspected breast abscess? In fact made her remove clothing so he could?

That is beyond inappropriate, and I think wannabe may have a point.

This man is unstable, dangerous and predatory. Goddess, you are very wise to seek legal advice.

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deleted203 · 04/01/2013 02:22

OK...I understand that the DDs want to see their father, but there is ABSOLUTELY no reason why you and Goddess need to. I would be speaking to my solicitor to say that I find Ex intimidating and bullying and that his treatment of me (Goddess) smacks of harassment. Get the solicitor to write him a letter saying that all contact between Goddess and ex should cease and that any communication should be made through solicitors. There are to be no more texts or phone calls and certainly no more turning up and shouting abuse. Arrange a neutral place for him to pick up DDs (friend or relative's house?) so that he does not come to your home. Get the solicitor to add that if he does not abide by this they will be applying for a restraining order against him. Good luck.

ChippingInLovesChristmasLights · 04/01/2013 02:22

Goddess - I can't think why he's your ex?

Hmm

If I were you I would get counselling for both of your girls. He is warped and they need someone independant to explain 'controlling' 'gaslighting' & 'inappropriate'.

I'm glad you two have each other, whatever you do, don't let this bastard come between you, will you

MalibuStac · 04/01/2013 02:31

Agree with sowornout's post you two don't have to deal with him. Totally understand the girls are at an age they want to see him but why should you both have this behaviour inflicted on you.

Is there somewhere neutral for pick ups/drop offs. For example collect after school drop off next morning?

The solicitor may be able to draw something up stating when he will be contacted in view of a childs illness like if they were being hospitalised any other time he would be kept in the loop but not demanding to self diagnose them.

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