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Do I read this angry email from exP - or just delete it? Sorry a bit long.

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DeckSwabber · 29/12/2012 11:58

ExP and I have been split for 10 years. There is little contact between us - very rare emails, text messages. 3 boys, now teens. He is now married with no children.

Lots of anger over contact, as he only sees them one night a fortnight and for a few days in the holidays. Efforts from my part to increase this have been met with terrible anger ("are you mad?"). Any interference with "his" schedule because of other activities are met with threats to go to court and other aggressive comments. This is ridiculous - the boys know that they can see him whenever they like so long as homework and other commitments are met. I have told him this, many times. However, as teens they have lots to do and are increasingly choosing to drop weekends.

This time last year I wanted to review the child support, which is currently negotiated privately between us and paid by SO from his wife's account (!). He doesn't pay for other stuff like school trips - and at their age there are loads of extras like this. He has always paid a bit less than the CSA calculator suggests because I'm soft because he ran up a lot of debt after we split.

I emailed several times, and was ignored. I suggested that if the money was an issue he could commit to having them a bit more to take the pressure off me. I offered to meet up at a venue/time of his choice and was fobbed off with various excuses and refusals. I said his wife (who I have only met once) could come along if that would help. Eventually I asked for his payslip so that I could at least work out what he should be paying using the CSA calculator. All ignored by him. I set a deadline by which time he should respond - he ignored this too.

So I left it a couple of months but after getting a very hostile response to my request to him to have the boys for a bit longer in the school holidays ("are you mad?") I went to the CSA to get an assessment, and I told him what I was doing. Over the next few months he has had letters from them requesting information and explaining how much he should be paying (a bit more than he pays now, but not loads more). He has disputed my version of how much he has them which delayed things, but I was able to supply full details for the last three years demonstrating it is less than the threshold. He has never, not once, contacted me to discuss.

All this time I asked the CSA only for an assessment and advice as I wanted to continue with a voluntary arrangement.

Then I got a very drunk, abusive call from him while I was working at an evening event. Very nasty and threatening. I had to cut him off as I was working. So I decided the CSA could collect the money directly as I feel this will involve less contact with ex and I feel vulnerable while his state of mind is so hostile.

Then yesterday at work I got an even nastier call from him after the CSA had called him to set up the payments. He told me that I had done some terrible damage - he didn't say what - and I could rot in hell. He sounds like he really means it. He sounded unbalanced, and very, very angry. When I spoke to the CSA later that day they said they had been unable to come to an arrangement with him. I asked the CSA to leave the arrears for now and just to set up the payments for the newly calculated amount. They later called me to say he had co-operated with this.

Then I got home to find an email from him, which I can see the first line of without opening it - enough to tell me that its not going to be a thank you for letting him off the arrears. He is going to tell me exactly what damage 'I' have done.

I don't want the abuse, and I feel that whatever is going on in his life is almost certainly nothing to do with a simple and reasonable request to review child support.

If I read the email I will know what has upset him so much.

If I read the email I will have to experience the abuse that is in it.

If I don't read the email I won't know what's going on - and it might be something that affects the children.

I don't know what to do. I feel that he has been bullying me into accepting only as much support as he chose to give me, and going to the CSA has freed me from this bullying. But now I'm worried that I have unleashed all sorts for the sake of very little gain.

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SquinkiesRule · 30/12/2012 03:56

Save his emails even the vile ones, you may need them to prove he is being abusive.
Good for you going through CSA. He sounds vile.

lilacbaubles · 30/12/2012 07:21

I have similar issues with my ex. I set up a separate email account and blocked him on my normal one. When I realised how anxious I got signing in to the account, never mind reading the messages, I asked DP to do it instead. He now checks it periodically and tells me anything I need to know and even sends replies. It has helped me enormously to put another barrier between exH and myself.

I involved the CSA recently, three years after we split. he is livid. The payments have gone up £300 a month and he has appealed so I'm waiting to hear whether there will be a tribunal.

Hang in there, you'll get through this.

DeckSwabber · 30/12/2012 12:01

Ok. I've read it.

Not as abusive as I thought but very self pitying and very angry. Some of it is not true. Some of it I can see his point, but ultimately his problems are the result of poor choices he made a long time ago. When we split he was absolutely vile to me and he has never treated me with any respect. His unrelenting anger and refusal to offer support or talk stuff through has meant that issues that could have been resolved years ago have not been resolved.

I had a friend here and I cried my eyes out.

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ProphetOfDoom · 30/12/2012 12:40

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DeckSwabber · 30/12/2012 12:52

I guess he wants to justify how he feels at the moment by giving his one-sided version, putting himself in a good light.

We've all done it.

But he needs to be speaking to someone else about all that.

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porridgelover · 30/12/2012 12:55

Ultimately his problems are the result of poor choices he made a long time ago.

Of course he is angry, and upset. And he is entitled to feel that way. What he is not doing is accepting responsibility for the effects of the choices that he made. He is choosing to lash out because he is too weak to accept his own part in this. The easiest target to lash at is you.
At some point (perhaps on a minor issue early in your relationship) you made it OK for him to do that. So he has continued. And now that you are choosing to be different, he is not happy about it. Of course he is going to up the ante. He wants you back where you were.

Why are you so upset? Genuine question. I still allow ex's remarks to upset me. Shows I am human, as I still expect him to behave better than he does. He can for other people, why cant he do it for me the mother of his children?

porridgelover · 30/12/2012 12:56

Cross posted
You're absolutely right.
He may need to justify himself and talk it through. But you are the wrong person to do that with
Doubt he would be able to admit how awful he has been to anyone else though.

bamboostalks · 30/12/2012 12:57

Have no sympathy for this man. He simply does not want to pay what he should. End of. Make sure you protect yourself and your boys. Leave all your sympathy for all of you.

DeckSwabber · 30/12/2012 13:07

Why am I so upset? Because it is such a failure. I thought a lot of him a long time ago. He made me laugh. We had three kids together.

Now he really hates me. I don't want anyone to hate me. I am doing a good job raising his children so I am bewildered - its not as if I'm off with some bloke living the high life. I can only distance myself and stay out of the line of fire.

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BertieBotts · 30/12/2012 13:14

Oh DeckSwabber :( He doesn't hate you really - he hates himself but that isn't a nice option for him so he's lashing out and hurting/transferring that hate onto anyone he can justify aiming at. Unfortunately that happens to be you. Try not to take it personally.

If it's any consolation at least he can not aim that bile filled hatred at the children any more - you have done the right thing. Hugs.

porridgelover · 30/12/2012 13:17

Deckswabber I had no nasty intent in the question. I think I understand your upset that this person, of whom you thought so much would stoop so low.
But, cliche that it is, it's not you, its him. Everything he says or writes reflects him not you.

You are doing the right thing by keeping yourself and DC out of his line of fire.

DollyTwat · 30/12/2012 13:22

Deckswabber you could be talking about my ex here
I would read his emails and answer all his lies. I'd get angry and upset

No more

I only deal with contact arrangements. He can send me 2 page emails full of bike and unless it contains info about dates I ignore it. I only address the contact arrangements. He's learning that I will not engage with his fuckwittery.

It's hard to do. It's taken me 7 years to do it.
I no longer feel I have to justify anything to him.
When he says I haven't changed, instead if feeling put down by this, I think no I haven't, and why should I? There's nothing I need to change, I'm fine as I am thanks.

The CSA are (apparently) bastards. I won't write off £2500 of debts.
Let them deal with him, they will be used to it

DollyTwat · 30/12/2012 13:22

*bile not bike!

DeckSwabber · 30/12/2012 13:30

porridgelover it is a good question. All my friends and family tell me I should have stopped letting it get to me years ago.

I do believe that we all have to take responsibility for our actions. When we split I had to be ruthless because of his refusal to move out, or even discuss the next steps. I had to pack his bags for him. This is not in my nature - it made me very ill at the time and I didn't handle it particularly well. However, recognising what I did not do well has helped me to recover (with relapses!) and be a better person.

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porridgelover · 30/12/2012 13:38

IME friends and family have wonderful ideas on what I should do with him, house, finances, DC etc. Grin Grin
Its not that easy though is it? I had marvellous notions that we were going to be one of those couples who would meet for coffee to discuss what was going on with the DC, or to organise school events, whatever
I thought that if I worked through all my anger and fear and issues, that he would respond in kind! Hmm (pity the fool!)

Of course, what I failed to recognise, was that he has his own issues, which, like your ex, he has failed to own up to. It being far easier to blame me for it all.

I think you sound very mature, and very kind to your ex and I dont know that he deserves it.
Let the CSA deal with him. Have no guilt about it.

DeckSwabber · 30/12/2012 13:49

I had marvellous notions that we were going to be one of those couples who would meet for coffee to discuss what was going on with the DC, or to organise school events, whatever

oh yes.... such hopes. Weekly dinners at ours. Sitting together to enjoy school plays. ha ha ha ha.

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porridgelover · 30/12/2012 14:04
Grin I take it you're laughing with me not at me.....ha ha ha ha.

Well, if my ex had been that sort of reasonable, civilised chap, he wouldnt be my ex.

DeckSwabber · 30/12/2012 14:07

Absolutely laughing with you! And at myself. Poor sucker that I was.

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DollyTwat · 30/12/2012 14:12

Nail on the head Portigelover

If he was reasonable you'd still be with him!
It's a mantra I say often

And thank god I don't have to actually live with it anymore

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