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Family business nightmare

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PlopButNOPudding · 16/12/2012 02:35

I really need some practical advice. I will try to keep this brief but my situation is quite complex and each element impacts on my overall situation.
Ok here goes.

Background: I'm English but met dh overseas when travelling. To cut a long story short I fell pregnant very unexpectedly and after much deliberation decided to have the baby, and also move in with him with the intention of us being a family. He was absolutely delighted that I was pregnant and as I said we were very much in love. We subsequently got married and now have 3 beautiful dc. When i met him, Dh was part of a family business which was around 3 years old. Started with his db and with some financial assistance from his parents. He was working hard and had an episode of extreme stress but he bounced back. I put it down to the effort and hours required with a reasonably new business, I understand what's required with your own business particularly in the early days but that there should be some relief as the business gets established. We were both excited and optimistic.

Flash forward 6 years and I am really unhappy.
Dh has had 3 near breakdowns - one he was hospitalised. He works 6:30am -7:30pm every night. He works at least one day at the weekend. He is forever taking calls and checking emails and has only had about 5 sick days in 6 years- when he had his episodes.
He never takes leave- maybe 8 days a year at the very most.
He didnt take any paternity leave at all with the dc- I had 3 c sections and each time he was back at work the day after I got back from hospital. Ie 4 days post birth. He has strange 'choking' episodes at night and has trouble sleeping.
I can see the stress is intolerable but he is adamant he's ok. He's not. This situation is unacceptable for all of us.

He's not a lazy arse and when he's at home he mucks in with the dc and housework but I still do the vast majority because he's simply not there. He's a fun and caring dad (when he's here) they love him. But I am getting so unhappy and resentful that the impact this business is having on our family. I didn't want dc to do this practically alone. In fact i only had the 3rd because dh PROMISED me things would change. They didn't. There has been a host of broken promises and empty goals that have come to nothing. I am tired, and lonely and resentful. Its starting to affect my feelings for him :( I'm aware my parenting is slipping as they get older and I lose patience and snap more easily or bung them in front of the tv more than I should. :(

Before anyone says this is the payoff for earning a good salary, he doesn't. We are broke. We have nothing. I have been back to work full-time twice and now going back part time. I worked through 2 of my maternity leaves doing contracts from home to make ends meet.

The business is in severe difficulties. It has debt.

After 9 years the business is no longer a start-up. It's established and should be functioning and performing better than it is. Dh is just about running it single handedly.

His db simply doesn't contribute even though he believes he does. He is out of his depth and in all honesty does more harm than good. Dh spends most of his time doing his db's job, micromanaging him or sweeping up after. I won't go into the many examples - but please take my word that this is the case.

His db pulls the same salary from the company as dh and his parents get more. The parents both have admin roles.

His parents lost a lot of money during the recession and now this salary is their only source of income.

I have tried not to be a poor-me, I have made some good friends, tried to maintain my own interests (hard to find time) continued to develop my career and thrown myself into raising my lovely dc. But I miss my family and friends in the uk. I am horribly homesick, I don't like it here and I am starting to mourn my old life in the uk. We can't afford for me to come back to visit. My family are wonderful and visit buf I feel like i have let them down, although i dearly love dh and adore my dc, i cant help but feel that I have made some bad and truly disastrous decisions. I am aware that it could be my situation here rather than genuine homesickness iyswim but either way I'm not happy here, not like this.

I dont want to just moan, i need to change this situation.
I need to get dh out of this business. He could earn 2-3 times what he earns doing the same job for another company. And for (probably) less hours and definitely less stress. There is an alternative, and one that will directly and dramatically improve our lives, he's just choosing not to take it due to family 'loyalty'.

Family obligation is huge. If he leaves the business it would go under - without a doubt. His parents and brother would be forced to go out and get jobs. Something as a family they generally don't do. They are very proud about working for themselves and generally think they are above working for someone else. "only idiots work for other people" That kind of ridiculous attitude.
So dh is under a lot of pressure to keep this business running. At the expense of our family. He wants to make the business work for his own ego too- but realistically and under the 'family steucture' it's not going to. I know that. He just keeps thinking success is around the corner. He's kidding himself because he doesn't want to take action, I think it's selfish. When is enough enough? It's been 6 years of this for me.

Another factor is that mil is extremely controlling, needy and manipulative. I won't go onto examples here but she's treated me appallingly over the last 5 years in order to remain in control of her 'baby' son. She has had health issues which are used to manipulate and guilt trip dh into doing as she pleases. The db in the business is 44, divorced (wonder why?!) and lives with mil and fil ffs.

So I am in a predicament. And a situation I don't want to tolerate or try and make the most of. K need to change things. I have spoken with dh, cried, broken down, argued many times over the last few years. I have made my feeling clear- that he needs to break away from the family business, that we need an identity as a family in our own right, that he needs to be around more to enjoy and raise his family, that we need space from mil. I have a plan:

  1. sit down with dh and tell him it's time for action and change.
    Give a date by which if xyz hadn't happened he's leaving the company. This conversation will be had over Xmas. I will ignore all promises.

  2. I've booked counselling for jan. I think we'll need to talk about this with a 3rd party after initial discussions.

  3. get dh to apply for one of the jobs I've seen. When our date arrives he has to find work and leave.

  4. if the company goes under so be it.

  5. db gets a job. ILs claim state pension. (probably already are)

  6. if ILs try to obstruct by guilt/ tripping dh into supporting them financially, I'll call a family meeting.

The 'support' can be split between all 3 sons. (there is another son not part of family business) I would not want to see them suffer but don't feel my dh (and therefore me and my dc) should be solely responsibly for his parents.

In fact ideally they should just support themselves entirely, but maybe I'm getting too bitter and mean.

I do appreciate that there was a lot of naïveté on my part in settling in a foreign country, a very long way from home when i didnt know much about dh's family, or family business, but im aware of my crappy decicions and I've beaten myself up over this for years. I need practical advice on changing my situation rather than a "you knew what you were getting into- lump it"

Can anyone offer any advice on my plan? Am I being fair?

Thank you for reading I know it's long.

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deleted203 · 16/12/2012 02:44

I think you are being fair. I don't know whether your dh will agree to this, but I think you have come to the decision that you are at breaking point and cannot continue any longer with the life you are being forced to lead. My only concern is if he refuses to go along with things. If your dh doesn't find work and leave the company then are you issuing the ultimatum that your marriage is over? And if not, then what? Will you carry on as at present?

PlopButNOPudding · 16/12/2012 02:49

If dh flatly refuses to make changes then I either have to put up with the status quo or leave.
I don't think our relationship would survive with me knowing my needs come after the ILs so I would have to seriously look at leaving. :( Would be an absolute last resort though and I don't want to use it as a threat.

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PlopButNOPudding · 16/12/2012 02:52

Um... was supposed to be naivety.

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deleted203 · 16/12/2012 02:59

No, I can appreciate that this is a last resort. I do think he needs to have it spelled out that whilst you don't want to issue an ultimatum if he doesn't make some changes you don't honestly feel your relationship can survive. He does need to know that he is on the verge of losing his wife and children if the status quo continues, to at least warn him that he needs to start taking your needs very, very seriously.

ClaudiaSchiffer · 16/12/2012 03:17

OP you sound like a bloody saint. The situation with your dh's family would drive me nuts well before 6 years have passed.

You must hang on to the fact that this is YOUR LIFE too, you always have choices and you have the absolute right to have your voice listened to.

It seems to me that you have been more than supportive over the past years and you quite rightly need to prioritise your own family over your husbands wider one. If the stress of the business is making him ill and you're not even making money from it, it sounds ludicrous to continue. I get that there will be enormous family pressure on him to continue but perhaps he needs you to be in charge.

Is there anyway you can move back to the UK as a family? Can your dh work in the UK?

You plan sounds like a good one to me. Go for it. Remember you're both miserable at the moment. You don't have to be.

PlopButNOPudding · 16/12/2012 04:06

I would love to come back to the uk.. the job prospects for my husband aren't nearly as good as here though. And apparently immigration regulations are tightening even if you are a British citizen, if you bring back spouse and 3 dc you (or spouse) needs to either have a job of At least £65500 pa or savings of the same amount. Shock

Mil would cause a lot of problems and do everything she could to prevent us moving back. I think it would be a lot happier if I could get back regularly which a better paid job would provide.

Thanks for tour replies

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ChippingInLovesChristmasLights · 16/12/2012 05:01

I have been in a similar situation (but I was in my home country) - but just as much family involvement/drama/business involvement/family pulling money out of the business it couldn't afford etc. It was a nightmare and you have my sympathy/empathy/support.

If you were to leave him, would you stay there or come back to the UK?

Which country are you in?

ClaudiaSchiffer · 16/12/2012 05:16

I am slightly in a similar position re trips home - I'm a pom in Oz. I know it's really difficult to save anything when times are hard, but I've been trying to save a small % of my salary into a non easily accessible account, and adding any minor windfalls to help boost my escape fund - well not really an escape fund as such but at least a few grand to pay for the odd trip home. I find if I can get back every couple of years then I can cope with being away from home and family much more easily.

Can you get UK passports for your dc's? I know I can for ours (one born in the uk and one born here).

Good luck for the talk op, I do feel for you. Do you have good friends where you are? I know when things get tough for me here it's such a relief to go and have a few wines with some close girlfriends - particularly other ex-pats/immigrants.

PlopButNOPudding · 16/12/2012 05:27

I am in Nz.
Unfortunately if we split up it would be very difficult to take the dc back to the uk without him. Then I really would be in a horrendous situation. It would also devastate both him and the dc.
The best thing for our family financially, emotionally, in terms of happiness is to stay together and despite all this shit we've had some wonderful times and I catch a glimpse of what life would be like should he have a normal job.
We went away together without the dc for a night last weekend- we are a good couple. We really are.

But I simply cannot continue like this. I understand he is stuck between a rock and a hard place but unfortunately, yes I will have to take charge and make it happen.

I think part of my problem is I'm too 'nice' I hate seeing him stressed, unwell upset. But I need to toughen up. He's a big boy. Time to support his family even if it's hard and other people don't like it. I don't like feeling that because mil is so emotional, needy, vocal, I am the wheel that's not squeaking as loud and therefore the path of least resistance. I need to squeak a bit louder.

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PlopButNOPudding · 16/12/2012 05:34

Btw I don't think that dh is necessarily deliberately putting my needs last. And i know he cares very much about my feelings. I do think he's just in denial, he's convinced himself that it will work out and then I'll be ok. That if we can hold on for another 6 months, year, 5 years....
He's not unkind, just needs to wake up and smell the roses.

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ClaudiaSchiffer · 16/12/2012 07:55

He sounds like a nice man under intolerable pressure OP and you obviously love him enormously.

I think you're absolutely right and need to start stamping your feed a bit. Can he/the family get a business consultant in to analyee where the biz is going wrong? If he's putting in all those hours, and it's still not making any $ then it sounds like a lemon to me. And maybe a smarty pants professional might be able to give an external perspective.

AuntLucyInTheNorthPole · 16/12/2012 08:09

Christ that is awful. Poor poor you. Multi - generational family businesses are the worst for this. Best I can suggest is to tell them all it can't go on (DH first, of course), then book a professional mediation session with a CEDR professional to resolve the underlying issues (which mostly seems to be 'whose business iS this, and how much should we each put in/take out?). The session will cost a couple of grand, but these professionals are legendary at managing complicated, emotional discussions in such a way that everyone feels heard, noone feels manipulated or railroaded or sidelined, and noisy primadonnas are contained. Good luck. Well done you for having the courage to keep fighting for your family.

PlopButNOPudding · 16/12/2012 16:13

Thank you for your replies and good advice. AuntLucy and Claudia, I have already suggested an external consultant. The more senior ILs didn't like the idea. Suspicious of people who dont own their own business. Or rather they know the inequalities and bad business practices will be exposed.

I think I might push harder, I'll pay for one myself if i have to.

Thanks

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PlopButNOPudding · 16/12/2012 17:52

Also just wanted say that part of my post was to see if people agreed I am in a shit situation.
A few months ago, MIL got wind of me being unhappy and accused me of being ungrateful, that I don't know how lucky I am to have such great ILs, that I've actually got it very easy and dh couldn't possibly do any better than work in the family business. (he's actually the most skilled, qualified and experienced of all of them!) etc etc.

I was beginning to doubt whether I had any right to change things-
thank you for confirming that I do. :)

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NeedlesCuties · 16/12/2012 19:10

Do your in-laws do anything to help you with your children? Or give emotional support to them, you or your DH?

I think you're coming across as a lovely caring wife, and a patient mother a long way from your own comfort zone.

Don't have any advice, sorry Blush

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